Options if AD to Boston Does NOT happen

[Mike Pemulis]

Zion.

[TheSundanceKid]

I think an AD trade will be quite difficult for us to achieve. I'm not sure why the Pels would want Hayward if they are moving on from AD, so salary becomes difficult to match. Smart, Tatum, Brown + picks is too high..

If we assume that Kyrie is moving on and we miss out on AD, at least this summer, then I think we stand pat largely. Re-sign Rozier, which I understand is unpopular... bring back Morris and Theis if the spots are available.

Wait til closer to the trade deadline and make a move for someone like Beal or Towns. Maybe AD is still available at that point.. I don't mind the idea of getting Love from Cleveland if the price is right..

The key is using Rozier as the salary in the trade. That means keeping Smart and the rest of the core. Beal or Towns would cost Tatum or Brown I expect. Love wouldn't.

Given Danny's history, he won't panic buy a lesser guy this summer. He'll just roll it over. And what's not to like? One more year of Tatum and Brown maturing is no bad thing.

Only question in this scenario is whether we should get Al to pick up his option or negotiate more years at a lower number?

[slamtheking]

Who out there can be that bigman the Celtics need that could potentially be acquired?

Markkanen?
Carter Jr?
Drummond?
KAT?
Turner?
Valanciunas?
Vucevic?
Gasol?

Which would/could be available, and which would be the best fit and why?

you have a real obsession with getting a big man.

if AD doesn't happen, the next step is keeping Kyrie anyway.  letting him walk for nothing just about kills any hopes for a title in the near future. 

If they resign Kyrie, I'd have the following goals (if I was the front office):
- let Rozier go.
- Move on from Yabu, Theis.
- resign Morris (was on the fence on this all season but playoff performance won me over)
- resign Al to a longer, cheaper deal per year
- get a solid vet PG to replace Rozier
- get a solid vet Center to back up Al/Baynes.  (or surpass Baynes on the depth chart)
- try to trade up in draft to get a better player or 2 -- consolidate picks if possible.  we don't need 3-4 rookies next year.  of course this is dependent on the lottery tonight.
- work with Brad to determine if there's other rotation players that can/should be moved for another star player to provide a better fit on the team.  Ex. if there's no AD deal, would Tatum fetch another top talent under contract for at least a couple of years that fits better with who we have?

If they don't/can't resign Kyrie, pray like hell Hayward comes back as Utah Hayward next year and use the picks in the draft.  I don't know if a starting line-up of Smart/Hayward/Brown/Tatum/Al is the way to go but if Hayward is better, that could be a helluva line-up. 
- I'd still let Rozier go and look to move on from Yabu and Theis.
- Resigning Morris would be less of a priority but not something I'd dismiss.
- Still go for signing a vet PG and a vet Big.
- still look to condense picks to move up to get a better player if possible -- preferably someone who could see limited minutes as a rookie. 

in any situation, work with the coaches to get Tatum away from Kobe and back on track.  Get Brown to continue developing -- cannot afford another lost season where he struggles to get back to where he ended the prior season.  Also, get someone working with Williams to see if he can become a legit rotation player if not by next year, the following one.

[CelticsElite]

Who out there can be that bigman the Celtics need that could potentially be acquired?

Markkanen?
Carter Jr?
Drummond?
KAT?
Turner?
Valanciunas?
Vucevic?
Gasol?

Which would/could be available, and which would be the best fit and why?

you have a real obsession with getting a big man.

if AD doesn't happen, the next step is keeping Kyrie anyway.  letting him walk for nothing just about kills any hopes for a title in the near future. 

If they resign Kyrie, I'd have the following goals (if I was the front office):
- let Rozier go.
- Move on from Yabu, Theis.
- resign Morris (was on the fence on this all season but playoff performance won me over)
- resign Al to a longer, cheaper deal per year
- get a solid vet PG to replace Rozier
- get a solid vet Center to back up Al/Baynes.  (or surpass Baynes on the depth chart)
- try to trade up in draft to get a better player or 2 -- consolidate picks if possible.  we don't need 3-4 rookies next year.  of course this is dependent on the lottery tonight.
- work with Brad to determine if there's other rotation players that can/should be moved for another star player to provide a better fit on the team.  Ex. if there's no AD deal, would Tatum fetch another top talent under contract for at least a couple of years that fits better with who we have?

If they don't/can't resign Kyrie, pray like hell Hayward comes back as Utah Hayward next year and use the picks in the draft.  I don't know if a starting line-up of Smart/Hayward/Brown/Tatum/Al is the way to go but if Hayward is better, that could be a helluva line-up. 
- I'd still let Rozier go and look to move on from Yabu and Theis.
- Resigning Morris would be less of a priority but not something I'd dismiss.
- Still go for signing a vet PG and a vet Big.
- still look to condense picks to move up to get a better player if possible -- preferably someone who could see limited minutes as a rookie. 

in any situation, work with the coaches to get Tatum away from Kobe and back on track.  Get Brown to continue developing -- cannot afford another lost season where he struggles to get back to where he ended the prior season.  Also, get someone working with Williams to see if he can become a legit rotation player if not by next year, the following one.

I hear Roy hibbert is available lol

[Monkhouse]

Beal as a Ray Allen level acquisition

Who’s our KG?

Hayward in good health next year

I dunno. Adding Beal and Hayward to whoever is left after a Beal trade doesn’t strike me as similar to the summer of 2007.  KG was a monster game changer.

I would think the Wizards would do Beal fortatumd and whatever salary we need straight up, maybe add on another first round pick that is late. They can't pay wall and beal that much money.

So if we have Irving, a healthy Hayward, Beal, Horford and probably what ever we could trade brown for, doesn't that seem like a super team?

They will certainly get WAY better offers than salary matching and a 1st round...

LAL/Suns seems like teams that would offer some decent packages.

Beal as a Ray Allen level acquisition

Who’s our KG?

Hayward in good health next year

I dunno. Adding Beal and Hayward to whoever is left after a Beal trade doesn’t strike me as similar to the summer of 2007.  KG was a monster game changer.

I would think the Wizards would do Beal fortatumd and whatever salary we need straight up, maybe add on another first round pick that is late. They can't pay wall and beal that much money.

So if we have Irving, a healthy Hayward, Beal, Horford and probably what ever we could trade brown for, doesn't that seem like a super team?

I’d like to think of Beal as the Ray Allen as well. My greedy backup plan in lue of Anthony Davis is Bradley Beal &&& Kevin Durant. I’m of the mindset that this whole “KD is going to New York” narrative is beneficial to the Celtics. I think there’s a better chance Golden State sign and trades KD to Boston, than Kyrie leaving.

This might sound cold blooded but I’d consider swapping Hayward and picks for KD. KD and Kyrie are close friends, and I think all it takes is for Golden State to believe he’ll walk and they’ll get nothing in return.

Just as important as the talent they get back in Hayward/picks, is the cap space situation. The Warriors had a one-offseason opportunity to use their remaining cap space to add a max free agent. They lucked up that offseason by getting KD. With Stephs extension, and Klay/Draymond due for a payday, simply subtracting KDs money off the books (if he bolts) doesn’t allow GS to put that $30M to use.

Hayward would either give GS a complimentary 3rd scorer OR the Warriors could trade him for bench help/expirings, while putting an emphasis on cutting that luxury tax bill.


As for Beal, how about a Rozier sign & trade, with Jaylen Brown as the centerpiece of the deal?

The goal is to end up with Kyrie, Beal, Tatum, KD, Horford

That isn't even possible cap space wise, and this isn't NBA 2K19.

[Jiri Welsch]

It's disappointing that the quality of informed posting has declined so much in recent years.

It seems many (potentially most?) posters don't understand basics about the CBA. And I know it's fun to speculate and dream about lineup construction, but at the same time it's really NOT fun when people are suggesting offseason moves that are literally impossible.

[Monkhouse]

It's disappointing that the quality of informed posting has declined so much in recent years.

It seems many (potentially most?) posters don't understand basics about the CBA. And I know it's fun to speculate and dream about lineup construction, but at the same time it's really NOT fun when people are suggesting offseason moves that are literally impossible.

This is exactly how I feel.

People keep bringing up sign and trading Kyrie, (I've brought that up a few times, but Kyrie is not going to give up more money,) and S&T's have become literally impossible to pull off nowadays.

Two minutes of looking at the CBA guide lines would help users instead of posting the same thing over and over again.

[Donoghus]

It's disappointing that the quality of informed posting has declined so much in recent years.

It seems many (potentially most?) posters don't understand basics about the CBA. And I know it's fun to speculate and dream about lineup construction, but at the same time it's really NOT fun when people are suggesting offseason moves that are literally impossible.

This is exactly how I feel.

People keep bringing up sign and trading Kyrie, (I've brought that up a few times, but Kyrie is not going to give up more money,) and S&T's have become literally impossible to pull off nowadays.

Two minutes of looking at the CBA guide lines would help users instead of posting the same thing over and over again.

It's more of a "hey look at me" attention grabbing thing.   Ignorant of the cap rules or carry the mindset of "Well, I don't know but Danny will figure it". 

You can try & correct them all you want, they'll still gonna start threads to catch the eyeballs. 

I will say, it's certainly gotten more prevalent in recent years. 

[nickagneta]

It's disappointing that the quality of informed posting has declined so much in recent years.

It seems many (potentially most?) posters don't understand basics about the CBA. And I know it's fun to speculate and dream about lineup construction, but at the same time it's really NOT fun when people are suggesting offseason moves that are literally impossible.

This is exactly how I feel.

People keep bringing up sign and trading Kyrie, (I've brought that up a few times, but Kyrie is not going to give up more money,) and S&T's have become literally impossible to pull off nowadays.

Two minutes of looking at the CBA guide lines would help users instead of posting the same thing over and over again.

It's more of a "hey look at me" attention grabbing thing.   Ignorant of the cap rules or carry the mindset of "Well, I don't know but Danny will figure it". 

You can try & correct them all you want, they'll still gonna start threads to catch the eyeballs. 

I will say, it's certainly gotten more prevalent in recent years.

Yeah, it got to me as it seems to be happening much more often. It's why I tried to start a PSA thread on the rules of free agency, trades and the CBA.

Being an old grumpy man I blame it on NBA2K.😝

[A Future of Stevens]

It's disappointing that the quality of informed posting has declined so much in recent years.

It seems many (potentially most?) posters don't understand basics about the CBA. And I know it's fun to speculate and dream about lineup construction, but at the same time it's really NOT fun when people are suggesting offseason moves that are literally impossible.

This is exactly how I feel.

People keep bringing up sign and trading Kyrie, (I've brought that up a few times, but Kyrie is not going to give up more money,) and S&T's have become literally impossible to pull off nowadays.

Two minutes of looking at the CBA guide lines would help users instead of posting the same thing over and over again.

It's more of a "hey look at me" attention grabbing thing.   Ignorant of the cap rules or carry the mindset of "Well, I don't know but Danny will figure it". 

You can try & correct them all you want, they'll still gonna start threads to catch the eyeballs. 

I will say, it's certainly gotten more prevalent in recent years.

Yeah, it got to me as it seems to be happening much more often. It's why I tried to start a PSA thread on the rules of free agency, trades and the CBA.

Being an old grumpy man I blame it on NBA2K.😝

Believe it or not, except for extremely unheard of rules (until they aren't) like the rose rule, 2k follows all trade machinations. You have to change the settings of the game to alter what are allowed with trades. More often than not, a computer will refuse to trade star players under any circumstances.

[Silky]

Who out there can be that bigman the Celtics need that could potentially be acquired?

Markkanen?
Carter Jr?
Drummond?
KAT?
Turner?
Valanciunas?
Vucevic?
Gasol?

Which would/could be available, and which would be the best fit and why?

you have a real obsession with getting a big man.

if AD doesn't happen, the next step is keeping Kyrie anyway.  letting him walk for nothing just about kills any hopes for a title in the near future. 

If they resign Kyrie, I'd have the following goals (if I was the front office):
- let Rozier go.
- Move on from Yabu, Theis.
- resign Morris (was on the fence on this all season but playoff performance won me over)
- resign Al to a longer, cheaper deal per year
- get a solid vet PG to replace Rozier
- get a solid vet Center to back up Al/Baynes.  (or surpass Baynes on the depth chart)
- try to trade up in draft to get a better player or 2 -- consolidate picks if possible.  we don't need 3-4 rookies next year.  of course this is dependent on the lottery tonight.
- work with Brad to determine if there's other rotation players that can/should be moved for another star player to provide a better fit on the team.  Ex. if there's no AD deal, would Tatum fetch another top talent under contract for at least a couple of years that fits better with who we have?

If they don't/can't resign Kyrie, pray like hell Hayward comes back as Utah Hayward next year and use the picks in the draft.  I don't know if a starting line-up of Smart/Hayward/Brown/Tatum/Al is the way to go but if Hayward is better, that could be a helluva line-up. 
- I'd still let Rozier go and look to move on from Yabu and Theis.
- Resigning Morris would be less of a priority but not something I'd dismiss.
- Still go for signing a vet PG and a vet Big.
- still look to condense picks to move up to get a better player if possible -- preferably someone who could see limited minutes as a rookie. 

in any situation, work with the coaches to get Tatum away from Kobe and back on track.  Get Brown to continue developing -- cannot afford another lost season where he struggles to get back to where he ended the prior season.  Also, get someone working with Williams to see if he can become a legit rotation player if not by next year, the following one.

The team needs a bigman.

needs one alot more than it needs a wing

[Silky]

It's disappointing that the quality of informed posting has declined so much in recent years.

It seems many (potentially most?) posters don't understand basics about the CBA. And I know it's fun to speculate and dream about lineup construction, but at the same time it's really NOT fun when people are suggesting offseason moves that are literally impossible.

This is exactly how I feel.

People keep bringing up sign and trading Kyrie, (I've brought that up a few times, but Kyrie is not going to give up more money,) and S&T's have become literally impossible to pull off nowadays.

Two minutes of looking at the CBA guide lines would help users instead of posting the same thing over and over again.

SAign and Trades are very far from "Literally impossible"

[slamtheking]

Who out there can be that bigman the Celtics need that could potentially be acquired?

Markkanen?
Carter Jr?
Drummond?
KAT?
Turner?
Valanciunas?
Vucevic?
Gasol?

Which would/could be available, and which would be the best fit and why?

you have a real obsession with getting a big man.

if AD doesn't happen, the next step is keeping Kyrie anyway.  letting him walk for nothing just about kills any hopes for a title in the near future. 

If they resign Kyrie, I'd have the following goals (if I was the front office):
- let Rozier go.
- Move on from Yabu, Theis.
- resign Morris (was on the fence on this all season but playoff performance won me over)
- resign Al to a longer, cheaper deal per year
- get a solid vet PG to replace Rozier
- get a solid vet Center to back up Al/Baynes.  (or surpass Baynes on the depth chart)
- try to trade up in draft to get a better player or 2 -- consolidate picks if possible.  we don't need 3-4 rookies next year.  of course this is dependent on the lottery tonight.
- work with Brad to determine if there's other rotation players that can/should be moved for another star player to provide a better fit on the team.  Ex. if there's no AD deal, would Tatum fetch another top talent under contract for at least a couple of years that fits better with who we have?

If they don't/can't resign Kyrie, pray like hell Hayward comes back as Utah Hayward next year and use the picks in the draft.  I don't know if a starting line-up of Smart/Hayward/Brown/Tatum/Al is the way to go but if Hayward is better, that could be a helluva line-up. 
- I'd still let Rozier go and look to move on from Yabu and Theis.
- Resigning Morris would be less of a priority but not something I'd dismiss.
- Still go for signing a vet PG and a vet Big.
- still look to condense picks to move up to get a better player if possible -- preferably someone who could see limited minutes as a rookie. 

in any situation, work with the coaches to get Tatum away from Kobe and back on track.  Get Brown to continue developing -- cannot afford another lost season where he struggles to get back to where he ended the prior season.  Also, get someone working with Williams to see if he can become a legit rotation player if not by next year, the following one.

The team needs a bigman.

needs one alot more than it needs a wing

I didn't look to add a wing.  we have plenty. nothing wrong with adding a decent big man but the days of slow plodders is gone.  can't see emptying the cupboard in a trade for one or using up the MLE on one either.

someone who can defend, rebound and is competent around the basket would go a long ways.  Baynes fits this description more or less but he has issues staying on the court.  Ideally, Williams becomes this player by the end of next year.

[Silky]

Who out there can be that bigman the Celtics need that could potentially be acquired?

Markkanen?
Carter Jr?
Drummond?
KAT?
Turner?
Valanciunas?
Vucevic?
Gasol?

Which would/could be available, and which would be the best fit and why?

you have a real obsession with getting a big man.

if AD doesn't happen, the next step is keeping Kyrie anyway.  letting him walk for nothing just about kills any hopes for a title in the near future. 

If they resign Kyrie, I'd have the following goals (if I was the front office):
- let Rozier go.
- Move on from Yabu, Theis.
- resign Morris (was on the fence on this all season but playoff performance won me over)
- resign Al to a longer, cheaper deal per year
- get a solid vet PG to replace Rozier
- get a solid vet Center to back up Al/Baynes.  (or surpass Baynes on the depth chart)
- try to trade up in draft to get a better player or 2 -- consolidate picks if possible.  we don't need 3-4 rookies next year.  of course this is dependent on the lottery tonight.
- work with Brad to determine if there's other rotation players that can/should be moved for another star player to provide a better fit on the team.  Ex. if there's no AD deal, would Tatum fetch another top talent under contract for at least a couple of years that fits better with who we have?

If they don't/can't resign Kyrie, pray like hell Hayward comes back as Utah Hayward next year and use the picks in the draft.  I don't know if a starting line-up of Smart/Hayward/Brown/Tatum/Al is the way to go but if Hayward is better, that could be a helluva line-up. 
- I'd still let Rozier go and look to move on from Yabu and Theis.
- Resigning Morris would be less of a priority but not something I'd dismiss.
- Still go for signing a vet PG and a vet Big.
- still look to condense picks to move up to get a better player if possible -- preferably someone who could see limited minutes as a rookie. 

in any situation, work with the coaches to get Tatum away from Kobe and back on track.  Get Brown to continue developing -- cannot afford another lost season where he struggles to get back to where he ended the prior season.  Also, get someone working with Williams to see if he can become a legit rotation player if not by next year, the following one.

The team needs a bigman.

needs one alot more than it needs a wing

I didn't look to add a wing.  we have plenty. nothing wrong with adding a decent big man but the days of slow plodders is gone.  can't see emptying the cupboard in a trade for one or using up the MLE on one either.

someone who can defend, rebound and is competent around the basket would go a long ways.  Baynes fits this description more or less but he has issues staying on the court.  Ideally, Williams becomes this player by the end of next year.

I would never empty the cupboard either.

But all the names I listed was to get conversation going.

Obviously some of those guys would fit better than others, some are cheaper than others. but I think to have a difference maker that bigman will not come from the MLE.

But, IMO the biggest need is someone that can be a starter at the bigman spots who can defend and rebound against the big bodies in the nba.

I am big on Drummond, would be a great add.
Turner would make a great front court pairing with Al as well.

[nickagneta]

It's disappointing that the quality of informed posting has declined so much in recent years.

It seems many (potentially most?) posters don't understand basics about the CBA. And I know it's fun to speculate and dream about lineup construction, but at the same time it's really NOT fun when people are suggesting offseason moves that are literally impossible.

This is exactly how I feel.

People keep bringing up sign and trading Kyrie, (I've brought that up a few times, but Kyrie is not going to give up more money,) and S&T's have become literally impossible to pull off nowadays.

Two minutes of looking at the CBA guide lines would help users instead of posting the same thing over and over again.

It's more of a "hey look at me" attention grabbing thing.   Ignorant of the cap rules or carry the mindset of "Well, I don't know but Danny will figure it". 

You can try & correct them all you want, they'll still gonna start threads to catch the eyeballs. 

I will say, it's certainly gotten more prevalent in recent years.

Yeah, it got to me as it seems to be happening much more often. It's why I tried to start a PSA thread on the rules of free agency, trades and the CBA.

Being an old grumpy man I blame it on NBA2K.😝

Believe it or not, except for extremely unheard of rules (until they aren't) like the rose rule, 2k follows all trade machinations. You have to change the settings of the game to alter what are allowed with trades. More often than not, a computer will refuse to trade star players under any circumstances.

Having a computer do the trade mechanisms for you is much different than learning the game. And I played 2K18 GM mode and some of the trades allowed, though they followed rules, we're pretty outrageous.

But that's probably a discussion for another thread. We should get back on subject. It was more or less a joke on my part.