Hypothetical a or b...Davis or keep assets

[GreenEnvy]

If Kyrie resigns, you have to push all in and get Davis. There’s little doubt in my mind that is the game plan.

Trading for Davis is the pitch to resign Kyrie, and long-term Kyrie is the pitch to resign Davis.

If Kyrie walks, it would heavily depend on asking price. I don’t know if I can include Tatum.

[CF033]

I remember about 12 years ago how people talked about the prospect of trading Al Jefferson for Kevin Garnett. Many people, including myself and including many people in the media (for sure Bill Simmons, also Mike Gorman if I remember correctly) were opposed to it. Why trade a budding star making peanuts for a slightly-better star who's already in his late 20s?

Then we saw Garnett play with this team. And then we understood.

KG I don't think was just great because of his playing but also because he is fearless and doesn't take any flack, he was the perfect fit for that team. Between him, Pierce and Doc that locker room stayed in order. We know Stevens and Kyrie aren't that type of leader and I'm not really sure about AD.

You never know what you're going to get when you throw a bunch of players together. The only way to know is when they actually play together.

That's why I don't automatically assume that AD and Kyrie is going to be a homerun.

[GreenEnvy]

I remember about 12 years ago how people talked about the prospect of trading Al Jefferson for Kevin Garnett. Many people, including myself and including many people in the media (for sure Bill Simmons, also Mike Gorman if I remember correctly) were opposed to it. Why trade a budding star making peanuts for a slightly-better star who's already in his late 20s?

Then we saw Garnett play with this team. And then we understood.

Lol @ KG being slightly-better than Jefferson, ever.

AD is arguably a top-5 player (behind LeBron, Durant, Harden, Kawhi), but definitely top-10.

I have little doubt that Tatum can become great. But he’s always going to be a great scorer first and foremost. AD is a great defender and rebounder, along with great scoring.

If we get Davis and Hayward recovers completely, we are suiting up potentially 4 of the top ~35 players in the NBA.

[Csfan1984]

I chose the cookie and only the cookie

[Roy H.]

It's pretty hard for me to see how a Davis trade works. There's no way to trade for him without including Tatum (the player that the Pels are rumored to want) and Smart (for salary matching). There will be picks included as well of course.

Unfortunately, I don't see any way to do it unless Smart is in the deal. The numbers just don't work. Maybe a third team could be involved? 

The core of the deal would be Tatum & Smart for Davis. I guess it makes sense to do it.

Boston hasn't had any problem retaining players once they're here. I doubt they're worried about him walking. There aren't any better situations in the NBA right now.

There are several ways to do it. The easiest is to trade signed draft picks (trade eligible 30 days after signing) and Yabu.

[Sophomore]

It's pretty hard for me to see how a Davis trade works. There's no way to trade for him without including Tatum (the player that the Pels are rumored to want) and Smart (for salary matching). There will be picks included as well of course.

Unfortunately, I don't see any way to do it unless Smart is in the deal. The numbers just don't work. Maybe a third team could be involved? 

The core of the deal would be Tatum & Smart for Davis. I guess it makes sense to do it.

Boston hasn't had any problem retaining players once they're here. I doubt they're worried about him walking. There aren't any better situations in the NBA right now.

There are several ways to do it. The easiest is to trade signed draft picks (trade eligible 30 days after signing) and Yabu.

That’s not enough salary going out.

Davis will make $27.1 million next year. Because we can't take in more than 125% of the salary we send out, we would need to send at least $21.7M in salary to the Pellies.

Tatum is scheduled to make $7.8mm next year. The OP’s scenario is that Memphis’ pick does not convey; an estimate of rookie scale for picks 13, 18, and 23 is about $6mm, which gets us to $13.8. Add Yabu’s $3.1 and you’re just under $17 million, almost $5 million short. You probably don’t even get there if you add Williams and Semi, who together will make about $3.5 million.

These numbers are a little rough - among other things I have to estimate the rookie scale - but it’s pretty clear that Tatum plus Yabusele plus three picks is not enough salary.

It’s certainly easier to get there without Smart if the Mem pick conveys - but that’s clearly not the most likely event right now so I wouldn’t focus on that scenario alone.

If we did throw in Smart we would clearly have the best offer - hands down - but of course it would sting. He’s such a great complementary player - and would be even more valuable on a team that added Davis to the starting lineup. I would still probably do it, subject to changing my mind if this team finds its top gear and gets to the finals.

[Roy H.]

It's pretty hard for me to see how a Davis trade works. There's no way to trade for him without including Tatum (the player that the Pels are rumored to want) and Smart (for salary matching). There will be picks included as well of course.

Unfortunately, I don't see any way to do it unless Smart is in the deal. The numbers just don't work. Maybe a third team could be involved? 

The core of the deal would be Tatum & Smart for Davis. I guess it makes sense to do it.

Boston hasn't had any problem retaining players once they're here. I doubt they're worried about him walking. There aren't any better situations in the NBA right now.

There are several ways to do it. The easiest is to trade signed draft picks (trade eligible 30 days after signing) and Yabu.

That’s not enough salary going out.

Davis will make $27.1 million next year. Because we can't take in more than 125% of the salary we send out, we would need to send at least $21.7M in salary to the Pellies.

Tatum is scheduled to make $7.8mm next year. The OP’s scenario is that Memphis’ pick does not convey; an estimate of rookie scale for picks 13, 18, and 23 is about $6mm, which gets us to $13.8. Add Yabu’s $3.1 and you’re just under $17 million, almost $5 million short. You probably don’t even get there if you add Williams and Semi, who together will make about $3.5 million.

These numbers are a little rough - among other things I have to estimate the rookie scale - but it’s pretty clear that Tatum plus Yabusele plus three picks is not enough salary.

Maybe you can get there with a few tricks - and it’s certainly easier if the Mem pick conveys - but that’s clearly not the most likely event right now so I wouldn’t focus on that scenario alone.

If we did throw in Smart we would clearly have the best offer - hands down - but of course it would sting. He’s such a great complementary player - and would be even more valuable on a team that added Davis to the starting lineup.

The rookie scale amount for those three picks is slightly over $7.2 million. 120% of that amount is around $8.65 million.

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/rookie_scale/2020

$8.65 + $7.8 + $3.1 + $1.9 = $21.45

Throw in a signed second rounder and we’re over the threshold.  That’s without even needing to sign a guy to a two-year MLE deal at the end of this year.

[Sophomore]

It's pretty hard for me to see how a Davis trade works. There's no way to trade for him without including Tatum (the player that the Pels are rumored to want) and Smart (for salary matching). There will be picks included as well of course.

Unfortunately, I don't see any way to do it unless Smart is in the deal. The numbers just don't work. Maybe a third team could be involved? 

The core of the deal would be Tatum & Smart for Davis. I guess it makes sense to do it.

Boston hasn't had any problem retaining players once they're here. I doubt they're worried about him walking. There aren't any better situations in the NBA right now.

There are several ways to do it. The easiest is to trade signed draft picks (trade eligible 30 days after signing) and Yabu.

That’s not enough salary going out.

Davis will make $27.1 million next year. Because we can't take in more than 125% of the salary we send out, we would need to send at least $21.7M in salary to the Pellies.

Tatum is scheduled to make $7.8mm next year. The OP’s scenario is that Memphis’ pick does not convey; an estimate of rookie scale for picks 13, 18, and 23 is about $6mm, which gets us to $13.8. Add Yabu’s $3.1 and you’re just under $17 million, almost $5 million short. You probably don’t even get there if you add Williams and Semi, who together will make about $3.5 million.

These numbers are a little rough - among other things I have to estimate the rookie scale - but it’s pretty clear that Tatum plus Yabusele plus three picks is not enough salary.

Maybe you can get there with a few tricks - and it’s certainly easier if the Mem pick conveys - but that’s clearly not the most likely event right now so I wouldn’t focus on that scenario alone.

If we did throw in Smart we would clearly have the best offer - hands down - but of course it would sting. He’s such a great complementary player - and would be even more valuable on a team that added Davis to the starting lineup.

The rookie scale amount for those three picks is slightly over $7.2 million. 120% of that amount is around $8.65 million.

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/rookie_scale/2020

$8.65 + $7.8 + $3.1 + $1.9 = $21.45

Throw in a signed second rounder and we’re over the threshold.  That’s without even needing to sign a guy to a two-year MLE deal at the end of this year.

Ah. Didn’t factor in that they might sign to the 120% ceiling. I see where the $8.65 comes from, and I see Yabu and Tatum’s salary.

Where does the $1.9 million in the add-up come from? I’m guessing it’s the Timelord?

[Roy H.]

It's pretty hard for me to see how a Davis trade works. There's no way to trade for him without including Tatum (the player that the Pels are rumored to want) and Smart (for salary matching). There will be picks included as well of course.

Unfortunately, I don't see any way to do it unless Smart is in the deal. The numbers just don't work. Maybe a third team could be involved? 

The core of the deal would be Tatum & Smart for Davis. I guess it makes sense to do it.

Boston hasn't had any problem retaining players once they're here. I doubt they're worried about him walking. There aren't any better situations in the NBA right now.

There are several ways to do it. The easiest is to trade signed draft picks (trade eligible 30 days after signing) and Yabu.

That’s not enough salary going out.

Davis will make $27.1 million next year. Because we can't take in more than 125% of the salary we send out, we would need to send at least $21.7M in salary to the Pellies.

Tatum is scheduled to make $7.8mm next year. The OP’s scenario is that Memphis’ pick does not convey; an estimate of rookie scale for picks 13, 18, and 23 is about $6mm, which gets us to $13.8. Add Yabu’s $3.1 and you’re just under $17 million, almost $5 million short. You probably don’t even get there if you add Williams and Semi, who together will make about $3.5 million.

These numbers are a little rough - among other things I have to estimate the rookie scale - but it’s pretty clear that Tatum plus Yabusele plus three picks is not enough salary.

Maybe you can get there with a few tricks - and it’s certainly easier if the Mem pick conveys - but that’s clearly not the most likely event right now so I wouldn’t focus on that scenario alone.

If we did throw in Smart we would clearly have the best offer - hands down - but of course it would sting. He’s such a great complementary player - and would be even more valuable on a team that added Davis to the starting lineup.

The rookie scale amount for those three picks is slightly over $7.2 million. 120% of that amount is around $8.65 million.

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/rookie_scale/2020

$8.65 + $7.8 + $3.1 + $1.9 = $21.45

Throw in a signed second rounder and we’re over the threshold.  That’s without even needing to sign a guy to a two-year MLE deal at the end of this year.

Ah. Didn’t factor in that they might sign to the 120% ceiling. I see where the $8.65 comes from, and I see Yabu and Tatum’s salary.

Where does the $1.9 million in the add-up come from? I’m guessing it’s the Timelord?

Correct. He was included in the OP’s proposal.

[Sophomore]

That’s really interesting, Roy. Tatum is a great individual player, but keeping Brown and Smart on this roster could give the team great balance and depth.

[Fierce1]

I remember about 12 years ago how people talked about the prospect of trading Al Jefferson for Kevin Garnett. Many people, including myself and including many people in the media (for sure Bill Simmons, also Mike Gorman if I remember correctly) were opposed to it. Why trade a budding star making peanuts for a slightly-better star who's already in his late 20s?

Then we saw Garnett play with this team. And then we understood.

Lol @ KG being slightly-better than Jefferson, ever.

AD is arguably a top-5 player (behind LeBron, Durant, Harden, Kawhi), but definitely top-10.

I have little doubt that Tatum can become great. But he’s always going to be a great scorer first and foremost. AD is a great defender and rebounder, along with great scoring.

If we get Davis and Hayward recovers completely, we are suiting up potentially 4 of the top ~35 players in the NBA.

Totally agree.

AD is a generational player.

[keevsnick]

It's pretty hard for me to see how a Davis trade works. There's no way to trade for him without including Tatum (the player that the Pels are rumored to want) and Smart (for salary matching). There will be picks included as well of course.

Unfortunately, I don't see any way to do it unless Smart is in the deal. The numbers just don't work. Maybe a third team could be involved? 

The core of the deal would be Tatum & Smart for Davis. I guess it makes sense to do it.

Boston hasn't had any problem retaining players once they're here. I doubt they're worried about him walking. There aren't any better situations in the NBA right now.

There are several ways to do it. The easiest is to trade signed draft picks (trade eligible 30 days after signing) and Yabu.

That’s not enough salary going out.

Davis will make $27.1 million next year. Because we can't take in more than 125% of the salary we send out, we would need to send at least $21.7M in salary to the Pellies.

Tatum is scheduled to make $7.8mm next year. The OP’s scenario is that Memphis’ pick does not convey; an estimate of rookie scale for picks 13, 18, and 23 is about $6mm, which gets us to $13.8. Add Yabu’s $3.1 and you’re just under $17 million, almost $5 million short. You probably don’t even get there if you add Williams and Semi, who together will make about $3.5 million.

These numbers are a little rough - among other things I have to estimate the rookie scale - but it’s pretty clear that Tatum plus Yabusele plus three picks is not enough salary.

Maybe you can get there with a few tricks - and it’s certainly easier if the Mem pick conveys - but that’s clearly not the most likely event right now so I wouldn’t focus on that scenario alone.

If we did throw in Smart we would clearly have the best offer - hands down - but of course it would sting. He’s such a great complementary player - and would be even more valuable on a team that added Davis to the starting lineup.

The rookie scale amount for those three picks is slightly over $7.2 million. 120% of that amount is around $8.65 million.

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/rookie_scale/2020

$8.65 + $7.8 + $3.1 + $1.9 = $21.45

Throw in a signed second rounder and we’re over the threshold.  That’s without even needing to sign a guy to a two-year MLE deal at the end of this year.

One small quibble, the 7.2 number you quote is the 120%, the actual 100% number is around 6 million. Real gm gives the 120% number since basically every draft pick signs for that number. So you are at an even 20 million, we need to get to 21.7. I'd imagine that's a gap that could be bridged. The question isn't can we do it without smart or brown, it's is an offer good enough (better than the lakers for example) without Brown or Smart.

[Roy H.]

It's pretty hard for me to see how a Davis trade works. There's no way to trade for him without including Tatum (the player that the Pels are rumored to want) and Smart (for salary matching). There will be picks included as well of course.

Unfortunately, I don't see any way to do it unless Smart is in the deal. The numbers just don't work. Maybe a third team could be involved? 

The core of the deal would be Tatum & Smart for Davis. I guess it makes sense to do it.

Boston hasn't had any problem retaining players once they're here. I doubt they're worried about him walking. There aren't any better situations in the NBA right now.

There are several ways to do it. The easiest is to trade signed draft picks (trade eligible 30 days after signing) and Yabu.

That’s not enough salary going out.

Davis will make $27.1 million next year. Because we can't take in more than 125% of the salary we send out, we would need to send at least $21.7M in salary to the Pellies.

Tatum is scheduled to make $7.8mm next year. The OP’s scenario is that Memphis’ pick does not convey; an estimate of rookie scale for picks 13, 18, and 23 is about $6mm, which gets us to $13.8. Add Yabu’s $3.1 and you’re just under $17 million, almost $5 million short. You probably don’t even get there if you add Williams and Semi, who together will make about $3.5 million.

These numbers are a little rough - among other things I have to estimate the rookie scale - but it’s pretty clear that Tatum plus Yabusele plus three picks is not enough salary.

Maybe you can get there with a few tricks - and it’s certainly easier if the Mem pick conveys - but that’s clearly not the most likely event right now so I wouldn’t focus on that scenario alone.

If we did throw in Smart we would clearly have the best offer - hands down - but of course it would sting. He’s such a great complementary player - and would be even more valuable on a team that added Davis to the starting lineup.

The rookie scale amount for those three picks is slightly over $7.2 million. 120% of that amount is around $8.65 million.

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/rookie_scale/2020

$8.65 + $7.8 + $3.1 + $1.9 = $21.45

Throw in a signed second rounder and we’re over the threshold.  That’s without even needing to sign a guy to a two-year MLE deal at the end of this year.

One small quibble, the 7.2 number you quote is the 120%, the actual 100% number is around 6 million. Real gm gives the 120% number since basically every draft pick signs for that number. So you are at an even 20 million, we need to get to 21.7. I'd imagine that's a gap that could be bridged. The question isn't can we do it without smart or brown, it's is an offer good enough (better than the lakers for example) without Brown or Smart.

Are you sure?  Larry Coon has the same 2019 scale numbers, and doesn’t note that they’ve been adjusted by 120%.

http://www.cbafaq.com/scale17.htm

(Coon doesn’t list the numbers for 2020 here, but I trust RealGM.)

[Rosco917]

I'd almost rather have just Anthony Davis on that second option. Find a reliable, vet PG and go with that. (I know that's a long shot.)

From a strong supporter of Kyrie Irving... I'm on the fence in reference to resigning him. He too much of a "Brand", he sucks all the air out of the room and the basketball court, he misses too many games and there is strong evidence that he struggles to find the right combination of point guard and scorer with this Celtic team.

If Irving leaves, it would be hard to believe AD would be compelled to stay and re-sign.

True, it's a long shot for sure.

[ozgod]

If AD is committed long-term I'm all in on AD.