something needs to change fast

[SHAQATTACK]

You'll keep pointing to the wrong things. LOL Morris and Rozier...seriously?

We need more leadership when things get tough, they just give up. They aren't focused for the entire game.

i see this too.   Iput most of this on CBS.   He is in charge of having them mentally ready before and during the game.  He fails miserably as a motivational coach for grown men.     He is not assertive enough IMO ,  but I guess thats just me and way I was always coached . 

[apc]

BAYNES IS THE ANSWER!
(i hope...maybe...i guess he cant hurt...)

[Silky]

You'll keep pointing to the wrong things. LOL Morris and Rozier...seriously?

We need more leadership when things get tough, they just give up. They aren't focused for the entire game.

I get you have an unhealthy Kyrie hate,

but the team has no leadership?
Kyrie, Horford, Hayward and smart are ALL the teams leaders, yet its Kyries fault?

Morris and Rozier kill flow, they just completely kill it.

and the numbers support all these claims.

Neither is good at moving the ball when it should be, both get tunnel vision when it comes to their points, and both have brought turmoil to the team.

Dont tell me for one second that Morris' ego isn't too [dang] big, cause that has followed him his entire career. And Rozier? you know he believes he is as good or better than Kyrie.

[Silky]

The fifth seed is looking pretty likely at this point. We can only hope that Indiana finishes fourth because I do not see Boston beating the Sixers

Right, because the Celtics haven’t beaten them all 3 games this year, 4-1’ed them in the playoffs last year, and 3-1 last year regular season. Like, I get your concern about the team, but it’s a bit absurd to say “I don’t see them beating the Sixers.”

Playoffs are a different animal.

Playoff are different, rotations tighten up, which is good for this team, and Baynes will be back dropping both Rozier and Morris to 8th and 9th men respectively and their minutes will be cut in half.

Irving
Horford
Tatum
Smart
Hayward
Brown
Baynes
Morris
Rozier
10th - depends on who is needed

[ozgod]

The fifth seed is looking pretty likely at this point. We can only hope that Indiana finishes fourth because I do not see Boston beating the Sixers

Right, because the Celtics haven’t beaten them all 3 games this year, 4-1’ed them in the playoffs last year, and 3-1 last year regular season. Like, I get your concern about the team, but it’s a bit absurd to say “I don’t see them beating the Sixers.”

Playoffs are a different animal.

Playoff are different, rotations tighten up, which is good for this team, and Baynes will be back dropping both Rozier and Morris to 8th and 9th men respectively and their minutes will be cut in half.

Irving
Horford
Tatum
Smart
Hayward
Brown
Baynes
Morris
Rozier
10th - depends on who is needed

What makes you think that Brad will cut minutes for Rozier and Morris, let alone drop Morris to the 2nd unit? If he was going to do that he'd have done it now, not change things right as the playoffs start. Rozier will still be first player off the bench and he will stay on when Smart gets subbed.

In fact, the way Brad's managed his rotation so far, I wouldn't be surprised to see some minutes coming from Gordon and Jaylen and going to Mook. For whatever reason Brad seems to trust Mook more than Gordon or Jaylen. Here's their MPG this season so far:

Code: [Select]

Player G GS MP FG FGA FG% eFG% TRB AST PTS/G
▼
Kyrie Irving 50 50 32.7 8.9 18.1 0.493 0.564 4.8 6.9 23.5
Jayson Tatum 61 61 31.1 6 13.3 0.456 0.515 6.3 1.9 16.3
Al Horford 51 51 28.7 5.5 10.5 0.521 0.576 6.8 4.0 12.9
Marcus Morris 56 39 27.7 5.3 11.2 0.47 0.562 6.1 1.4 14.5
Marcus Smart 60 40 27.1 2.7 6.8 0.398 0.511 3.0 4.0 8.2
Gordon Hayward 55 17 25.9 3.9 9.0 0.434 0.500 4.5 3.5 11.0
Jaylen Brown 56 23 25.8 4.9 10.8 0.452 0.507 4.3 1.4 12.7
Terry Rozier 60 10 23.1 3.2 8.5 0.377 0.465 4.1 3.1 8.9
Daniel Theis 47 2 14.9 2.5 4.3 0.578 0.635 3.8 1.1 6.5
Aron Baynes 34 10 14.9 2 4.4 0.466 0.52 4.3 1.1 5.7
Semi Ojeleye 42 2 10.8 1.2 2.9 0.43 0.521 1.6 0.4 3.4
Brad Wanamaker 27 0 9.3 1.3 2.7 0.472 0.583 1.0 1.4 3.6
Robert Williams 24 0 9.2 1.3 1.8 0.738 0.738 2.5 0.2 2.9
Guers. Yabusele 31 0 5.6 0.7 1.7 0.434 0.472 1.2 0.4 1.9
PJ Dozier 4 0 2.5 0.8 1.5 0.500 0.583 1.0 0.0 1.8

Most of the minutes will come from the bottom of the rotation - Semi, Theis, I'd be surprised if those guys even got on the floor if Baynes is fit.

[mef730]

I find it hard to believe Baynes is the true difference maker in our run.

I tend to agree. I'm not arguing that the W-L record with Baynes is simply specious correlation, but having Baynes in allows us to move other players around. It's not his scoring/defense per se, but rather, what having him in allows the team to do.

You'll keep pointing to the wrong things. LOL Morris and Rozier...seriously?

We need more leadership when things get tough, they just give up. They aren't focused for the entire game.

100% agree. Have they been playing poorly? Sure. But they're not top-5 players on the team, either. The stars and potential stars need to step it up. Rozier and Morris are filler.

Mike

[Silky]

I find it hard to believe Baynes is the true difference maker in our run.

I tend to agree. I'm not arguing that the W-L record with Baynes is simply specious correlation, but having Baynes in allows us to move other players around. It's not his scoring/defense per se, but rather, what having him in allows the team to do.

You'll keep pointing to the wrong things. LOL Morris and Rozier...seriously?

We need more leadership when things get tough, they just give up. They aren't focused for the entire game.

100% agree. Have they been playing poorly? Sure. But they're not top-5 players on the team, either. The stars and potential stars need to step it up. Rozier and Morris are filler.

Mike

They are causing a problem behind the scenes.

They are preventing our stars/stars to be from taking that next step

[Silky]

The fifth seed is looking pretty likely at this point. We can only hope that Indiana finishes fourth because I do not see Boston beating the Sixers

Right, because the Celtics haven’t beaten them all 3 games this year, 4-1’ed them in the playoffs last year, and 3-1 last year regular season. Like, I get your concern about the team, but it’s a bit absurd to say “I don’t see them beating the Sixers.”

Playoffs are a different animal.

Playoff are different, rotations tighten up, which is good for this team, and Baynes will be back dropping both Rozier and Morris to 8th and 9th men respectively and their minutes will be cut in half.

Irving
Horford
Tatum
Smart
Hayward
Brown
Baynes
Morris
Rozier
10th - depends on who is needed

What makes you think that Brad will cut minutes for Rozier and Morris, let alone drop Morris to the 2nd unit? If he was going to do that he'd have done it now, not change things right as the playoffs start. Rozier will still be first player off the bench and he will stay on when Smart gets subbed.

In fact, the way Brad's managed his rotation so far, I wouldn't be surprised to see some minutes coming from Gordon and Jaylen and going to Mook. For whatever reason Brad seems to trust Mook more than Gordon or Jaylen. Here's their MPG this season so far:

Code: [Select]

Player G GS MP FG FGA FG% eFG% TRB AST PTS/G
▼
Kyrie Irving 50 50 32.7 8.9 18.1 0.493 0.564 4.8 6.9 23.5
Jayson Tatum 61 61 31.1 6 13.3 0.456 0.515 6.3 1.9 16.3
Al Horford 51 51 28.7 5.5 10.5 0.521 0.576 6.8 4.0 12.9
Marcus Morris 56 39 27.7 5.3 11.2 0.47 0.562 6.1 1.4 14.5
Marcus Smart 60 40 27.1 2.7 6.8 0.398 0.511 3.0 4.0 8.2
Gordon Hayward 55 17 25.9 3.9 9.0 0.434 0.500 4.5 3.5 11.0
Jaylen Brown 56 23 25.8 4.9 10.8 0.452 0.507 4.3 1.4 12.7
Terry Rozier 60 10 23.1 3.2 8.5 0.377 0.465 4.1 3.1 8.9
Daniel Theis 47 2 14.9 2.5 4.3 0.578 0.635 3.8 1.1 6.5
Aron Baynes 34 10 14.9 2 4.4 0.466 0.52 4.3 1.1 5.7
Semi Ojeleye 42 2 10.8 1.2 2.9 0.43 0.521 1.6 0.4 3.4
Brad Wanamaker 27 0 9.3 1.3 2.7 0.472 0.583 1.0 1.4 3.6
Robert Williams 24 0 9.2 1.3 1.8 0.738 0.738 2.5 0.2 2.9
Guers. Yabusele 31 0 5.6 0.7 1.7 0.434 0.472 1.2 0.4 1.9
PJ Dozier 4 0 2.5 0.8 1.5 0.500 0.583 1.0 0.0 1.8

Most of the minutes will come from the bottom of the rotation - Semi, Theis, I'd be surprised if those guys even got on the floor if Baynes is fit.

Morris plays cause we have no center. Once Baynes is back Morris is on the bench.

Rozier should not be getting more minutes than Brown and Hayward in the playoffs, if Brad makes that happen he needs to be fired.

On this team, neither of those 2 guys should be in the top 8 of minutes played. Neither perform at a high enough level to warrant that much time.

They are taking opportunity away from players who are performing better.

rozier is killing haywards effectiveness, and Brown needs more touches lately, and Morris/rozier less.

I really dont see a debate on that at all.

[gpap]

You'll keep pointing to the wrong things. LOL Morris and Rozier...seriously?

We need more leadership when things get tough, they just give up. They aren't focused for the entire game.

Rozier sucks pretty badly. Misses open shots, turns the ball over, he has no rhythm to his game and it's almost as if he's not even trying.

Why not hold the guys that aren't playing well accountable? I'll admit, Kyrie didn't play great last night either (then again, nobody did.) But with Rozier, it's become a nightly occurrence.

[KGBirdBias]

I find it hard to believe Baynes is the true difference maker in our run.

I tend to agree. I'm not arguing that the W-L record with Baynes is simply specious correlation, but having Baynes in allows us to move other players around. It's not his scoring/defense per se, but rather, what having him in allows the team to do.

You'll keep pointing to the wrong things. LOL Morris and Rozier...seriously?

We need more leadership when things get tough, they just give up. They aren't focused for the entire game.

100% agree. Have they been playing poorly? Sure. But they're not top-5 players on the team, either. The stars and potential stars need to step it up. Rozier and Morris are filler.

Mike

Exactly. The team as a whole have some quiet guys and we need someone that can bring the fire and keep these guys engaged. We need a high energy guy and right now that may only be Smart but it should be one of the top guys instead of a role player.

[ozgod]

The fifth seed is looking pretty likely at this point. We can only hope that Indiana finishes fourth because I do not see Boston beating the Sixers

Right, because the Celtics haven’t beaten them all 3 games this year, 4-1’ed them in the playoffs last year, and 3-1 last year regular season. Like, I get your concern about the team, but it’s a bit absurd to say “I don’t see them beating the Sixers.”

Playoffs are a different animal.

Playoff are different, rotations tighten up, which is good for this team, and Baynes will be back dropping both Rozier and Morris to 8th and 9th men respectively and their minutes will be cut in half.

Irving
Horford
Tatum
Smart
Hayward
Brown
Baynes
Morris
Rozier
10th - depends on who is needed

What makes you think that Brad will cut minutes for Rozier and Morris, let alone drop Morris to the 2nd unit? If he was going to do that he'd have done it now, not change things right as the playoffs start. Rozier will still be first player off the bench and he will stay on when Smart gets subbed.

In fact, the way Brad's managed his rotation so far, I wouldn't be surprised to see some minutes coming from Gordon and Jaylen and going to Mook. For whatever reason Brad seems to trust Mook more than Gordon or Jaylen. Here's their MPG this season so far:

Code: [Select]

Player G GS MP FG FGA FG% eFG% TRB AST PTS/G
▼
Kyrie Irving 50 50 32.7 8.9 18.1 0.493 0.564 4.8 6.9 23.5
Jayson Tatum 61 61 31.1 6 13.3 0.456 0.515 6.3 1.9 16.3
Al Horford 51 51 28.7 5.5 10.5 0.521 0.576 6.8 4.0 12.9
Marcus Morris 56 39 27.7 5.3 11.2 0.47 0.562 6.1 1.4 14.5
Marcus Smart 60 40 27.1 2.7 6.8 0.398 0.511 3.0 4.0 8.2
Gordon Hayward 55 17 25.9 3.9 9.0 0.434 0.500 4.5 3.5 11.0
Jaylen Brown 56 23 25.8 4.9 10.8 0.452 0.507 4.3 1.4 12.7
Terry Rozier 60 10 23.1 3.2 8.5 0.377 0.465 4.1 3.1 8.9
Daniel Theis 47 2 14.9 2.5 4.3 0.578 0.635 3.8 1.1 6.5
Aron Baynes 34 10 14.9 2 4.4 0.466 0.52 4.3 1.1 5.7
Semi Ojeleye 42 2 10.8 1.2 2.9 0.43 0.521 1.6 0.4 3.4
Brad Wanamaker 27 0 9.3 1.3 2.7 0.472 0.583 1.0 1.4 3.6
Robert Williams 24 0 9.2 1.3 1.8 0.738 0.738 2.5 0.2 2.9
Guers. Yabusele 31 0 5.6 0.7 1.7 0.434 0.472 1.2 0.4 1.9
PJ Dozier 4 0 2.5 0.8 1.5 0.500 0.583 1.0 0.0 1.8

Most of the minutes will come from the bottom of the rotation - Semi, Theis, I'd be surprised if those guys even got on the floor if Baynes is fit.

Morris plays cause we have no center. Once Baynes is back Morris is on the bench.

Rozier should not be getting more minutes than Brown and Hayward in the playoffs, if Brad makes that happen he needs to be fired.

On this team, neither of those 2 guys should be in the top 8 of minutes played. Neither perform at a high enough level to warrant that much time.

They are taking opportunity away from players who are performing better.

rozier is killing haywards effectiveness, and Brown needs more touches lately, and Morris/rozier less.

I really dont see a debate on that at all.

Baynes has been around for a large part of the season but Mook's still been starting. There's something about Mook's grittiness that Brad likes I think.

I'm not disagreeing that Mook needs to go to the bench and have Jaylen or Gordon take his place, but I feel like if Brad was going to make substantial changes to his rotation he would have done it before the playoffs start.

[SHAQATTACK]

nothings changing .  C's will be what they are when Baynes gets back.

DA has put all his apples in one basket .   To see Irving and Davis in Celtics green.

Magic wants em in Purple and gold

old rivalries never end

[Triplenickle]

I don't know man. People always seem to be worried about the offensive side but defense and rebounding is what wins championships.

All the things that make me angry are on the defensive side and almost NEVER  involve rozier.

I really don't know what yall are looking at. The team philosophy of chucking threes is already problematic, so I don't know why Rozier is singled out...they ALL do that nonsense.

And Kyrie takes a ton of long 2's that you say is absolutely unacceptable for Tatum. He also only makes a play for other teamates very rarely yet yall chew everyone else up not named Kyrie for ball flow...but that's like the main reason a point is on the floor. But it's all OK for Kyrie.

I haven't been watching too much lately, but JB and Rozier have strengths in transition but it looked to me like no one is trying to run any more

It's so many things now I think they quit on the coach awhile ago, and I can't say I don't understand. It really is the Kyrie show and it don't matter how talented he is if he's always gonna keep everyone below him so he can shine.

You are never gonna win with a guy like that unless you have a Lebron, because he's just not gonna let anyone else grow to be one. If the plan is Davis and Kyrie, then let these guys go somewhere where they can be someone without the little dictator.

I have a feeling I won't be watching this team next year.

And I blame IT for bringing me back into this mess I forgot how much the Celtic organization annoys me.

[Triplenickle]

Also the fact he would even say he believed the earth is flat while flying hundreds of times a year is just flat out mind boggling.

I must be getting old or something because i'm not understanding these young dudes anymore.

[tstorey_97]

Pretty much everyone on the roster has been challenged in this thread. It really has been the "team" that is in a slump.

Against the Raptors last night:
Celtics shot 38% and were 6 for 30 from three.
Raptors shot 48% and were 17 for 36 from three.

No team is going anywhere shooting 20% from three. They are 6th in the NBA for threes at 36.9% for the season.

And, as we all know, their shooting is 46.3% for the season.

Bad shooting night.

All of the problems the team had in November remain.

No front court...Ainge is trying to remedy this, but, nothing is guaranteed.
Still waiting for GSW to weaken at some point...who knows when.

Sorry to say, but this roster is a "transition team." The media anointed them a threat to challenge GSW, but, were they? Ainge had no plans to acquire Kyrie Irving, the player shot his way out of Cleveland and the Celtics were the only ones with assets. He dropped out of the sky.

I repeat, Ainge is an Auerbach disciple, Boston has never built a championship team around a point guard.

This summer, Morris will be gone with Rozier and who knows about the rest because Ainge hasn't gotten what he needs to win yet. We love our players and Ainge needs them in order to get the players he wants.

If Vegas called you on your cell today and asked you to bet $1000 on whom would be the starting 5 for the Celtics next fall? Would you give them your account number?

My point is that Ainge is still building this year and I'm tired of losing too.