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Re: something needs to change fast
« Reply #45 on: February 26, 2019, 11:12:40 PM »

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You can probably tell how awkward it'll be for Tatum and Brown for being on the trading block, but the trade failed and thus they remain as Celtics.

Irving probably leaves and then Ainge is left with a bridge that's on fire.

Oh doom and gloom

Re: something needs to change fast
« Reply #46 on: February 26, 2019, 11:16:31 PM »

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There seems to be a lot of animosity towards kyrie. Seems guys only play hard when he is out of the line up.

Re: something needs to change fast
« Reply #47 on: February 26, 2019, 11:23:19 PM »

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It’ll change fast in t minus... 4 months

It was pretty clear the focus isn’t on this season when Danny made no significant moves at the break.  Other contenders dumped assets to lose to the Warriors.  It’s whatever to me at this point because things are going to look a lot different with this team come this summer.  Let the Raptors dump their assets and after Kawhi leaves for LA it’ll all be short lived. 

It’s too bad the kids couldn’t play nice together but that’s what happens when guys are in contract years, they know they aren’t part of the teams future plans and they’re in it for themselves and their families. 

All that being said this is obviously a low point but it’s because attitudes are down and the interest isn’t there for these guys right now.  Realistically these games are meaningless compared to playoff games and I’m sure we’ll see a better Celtics team then.

I guess my question would be, why is it always about "next season" with the Celtics?

Why can't we live in the moment and focus on this season? What if we don't get Davis and Kyrie walks? Is it going to be about the 2020-21 season 2 games into next season?

At what point does Danny get the criticism he deserves?

Because from where I'm sitting, Ainge hasn't won jack since 2008. And I am talking about titles, not trades, or draft picks, or yada yada.

Their effort level and body language looks like they’ve given up so it’s a little hard to get behind them right now.  So like I was saying, either they’ll be a different team come playoffs or it’s on to next season.  That’s their doing.

I understand. I guess where I'm coming from is if Ainge is doing his job, he should've seen this coming and addressed it at the trade deadline. Thus, it shows the players (at least the ones you didn't trade) and your fans that you're invested in this team, this season.

I like that approach more so than just going after one player this summer thinking that's going to magically turn everything around.

Not that Davis isn't talented, but cross that bridge when you get to it. Also, Ainge should've played his cards closer to his chest. Now, everyone knows he wants Davis, even his own players and it may have caused quite the s**storm. See what's happening in LA.

Re: something needs to change fast
« Reply #48 on: February 26, 2019, 11:27:28 PM »

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Can we all just acknowledge the fact that PASCAL SIAKAM IS SO GOOD.... The fact that people have said Tatum and Brown have the potential to be all time greats is disgraceful.

 Young American's come into the league thinking they are all hot stuff all they care about is social media and this dog killer mentality that was once cherished in basket-ball is gone, and that's exactly why you got people like Giannis, Siakam, and Luka coming into the league and absolutely dominating. These dudes put work in the summer they don't work on their tans, they came from the gutter and appreciate the opportunity that was given to them and are making the most of it...

 This team is lucky this didn't happen in the Garden because I would have wen't berserk if i paid to watch this hot garbage ****.
« Last Edit: February 26, 2019, 11:33:35 PM by Briantir »

Re: something needs to change fast
« Reply #49 on: February 26, 2019, 11:34:19 PM »

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I'd start with starting Jaylen Brown over Marcus Smart. Maybe Smart's energy off the bench is the spark that we need when we get to situations that we need it.
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Re: something needs to change fast
« Reply #50 on: February 26, 2019, 11:36:41 PM »

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Oh geez, now Tatum and Brown aren’t putting in work?

How do you guys come up with this stuff? Seriously, this is nuts.

Re: something needs to change fast
« Reply #51 on: February 27, 2019, 12:03:51 AM »

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It’ll change fast in t minus... 4 months

It was pretty clear the focus isn’t on this season when Danny made no significant moves at the break.  Other contenders dumped assets to lose to the Warriors.  It’s whatever to me at this point because things are going to look a lot different with this team come this summer.  Let the Raptors dump their assets and after Kawhi leaves for LA it’ll all be short lived. 

It’s too bad the kids couldn’t play nice together but that’s what happens when guys are in contract years, they know they aren’t part of the teams future plans and they’re in it for themselves and their families. 

All that being said this is obviously a low point but it’s because attitudes are down and the interest isn’t there for these guys right now.  Realistically these games are meaningless compared to playoff games and I’m sure we’ll see a better Celtics team then.

I guess my question would be, why is it always about "next season" with the Celtics?

Why can't we live in the moment and focus on this season? What if we don't get Davis and Kyrie walks? Is it going to be about the 2020-21 season 2 games into next season?

At what point does Danny get the criticism he deserves?

Because from where I'm sitting, Ainge hasn't won jack since 2008. And I am talking about titles, not trades, or draft picks, or yada yada.

Their effort level and body language looks like they’ve given up so it’s a little hard to get behind them right now.  So like I was saying, either they’ll be a different team come playoffs or it’s on to next season.  That’s their doing.

I understand. I guess where I'm coming from is if Ainge is doing his job, he should've seen this coming and addressed it at the trade deadline. Thus, it shows the players (at least the ones you didn't trade) and your fans that you're invested in this team, this season.

I like that approach more so than just going after one player this summer thinking that's going to magically turn everything around.

Not that Davis isn't talented, but cross that bridge when you get to it. Also, Ainge should've played his cards closer to his chest. Now, everyone knows he wants Davis, even his own players and it may have caused quite the s**storm. See what's happening in LA.

The way I look at this is the big picture and this is my opinion. (obviously)

Danny trades KG, Pierce, Terry, etc. to the Nets to reload, get draft picks, and acquire value to then flip for superstars and do exactly what he did in '08.  The last few drafts Danny has drafted for what he thought was the best player available at his picks, and not necessarily for needed positions.  He doesn't care about that at that stage as hes stockpiling value to turn into a young elite team that has a solid timeline to compete for championships for 5-10 years.  Until the timing is right to create said elite team, our teams in between can look like they're in limbo; incomplete even.  He's apparently had eyes for Davis for years as a foundation to this elite team, as documented.  He also sees Kyrie as this and who knows who else will end up being a part of it.  The point is, we're at the point where we're about to use this collected value to acquire Davis and Ainge isn't going to burn assets to bring in some vets half way through this 1 particular season to give a minor boost to this team.  The 5 year plan is coming to fruition and he's not going to jeopardize that by bringing in Nikola Mirotics and Marc Gasols leaving him short come this summer to execute the rest of his plan.  That's part of crossing that bridge when it comes, having the assets to cross it.

I don't think Danny could have seen this coming.  LeBron and his cronies saw that we couldn't deal for Davis at the deadline like they could so they played a cheap game.  They threw out lies and bully tactics to force the situation in an effort to get Davis to LA.  This had a terrible effect on both locker rooms and there wasn't much else Danny could've done besides stay political, and continue with his plan.  Before this happened, I'm sure he thought he'd just be able to make offers this summer or next years deadline like a normal situation.  LeBron and Rich Paul made it ugly and we're all suffering the consequences.  There was no hiding anything for anybody as the social media ****storm was in full effect.

I don't think anyone could have seen the Davis debacle coming and we're doing what we can with it.  Guys' attitudes are **** right now; its not a perfect world and these are things GMs have to deal with.  That's why it's a difficult job and I think Danny does a pretty good job with what he's dealt.

Re: something needs to change fast
« Reply #52 on: February 27, 2019, 12:16:40 AM »

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I'd start with starting Jaylen Brown over Marcus Smart. Maybe Smart's energy off the bench is the spark that we need when we get to situations that we need it.

I don't know about starting Jaylen however Smart has regressed over the last several games. I know he started off the 3rd quarter hot tonight with a couple steals and a 3, but that aside, he's committing turnovers and missing shots.

Re: something needs to change fast
« Reply #53 on: February 27, 2019, 12:18:46 AM »

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It’ll change fast in t minus... 4 months

It was pretty clear the focus isn’t on this season when Danny made no significant moves at the break.  Other contenders dumped assets to lose to the Warriors.  It’s whatever to me at this point because things are going to look a lot different with this team come this summer.  Let the Raptors dump their assets and after Kawhi leaves for LA it’ll all be short lived. 

It’s too bad the kids couldn’t play nice together but that’s what happens when guys are in contract years, they know they aren’t part of the teams future plans and they’re in it for themselves and their families. 

All that being said this is obviously a low point but it’s because attitudes are down and the interest isn’t there for these guys right now.  Realistically these games are meaningless compared to playoff games and I’m sure we’ll see a better Celtics team then.

I guess my question would be, why is it always about "next season" with the Celtics?

Why can't we live in the moment and focus on this season? What if we don't get Davis and Kyrie walks? Is it going to be about the 2020-21 season 2 games into next season?

At what point does Danny get the criticism he deserves?

Because from where I'm sitting, Ainge hasn't won jack since 2008. And I am talking about titles, not trades, or draft picks, or yada yada.

Their effort level and body language looks like they’ve given up so it’s a little hard to get behind them right now.  So like I was saying, either they’ll be a different team come playoffs or it’s on to next season.  That’s their doing.

I understand. I guess where I'm coming from is if Ainge is doing his job, he should've seen this coming and addressed it at the trade deadline. Thus, it shows the players (at least the ones you didn't trade) and your fans that you're invested in this team, this season.

I like that approach more so than just going after one player this summer thinking that's going to magically turn everything around.

Not that Davis isn't talented, but cross that bridge when you get to it. Also, Ainge should've played his cards closer to his chest. Now, everyone knows he wants Davis, even his own players and it may have caused quite the s**storm. See what's happening in LA.

The way I look at this is the big picture and this is my opinion. (obviously)

Danny trades KG, Pierce, Terry, etc. to the Nets to reload, get draft picks, and acquire value to then flip for superstars and do exactly what he did in '08.  The last few drafts Danny has drafted for what he thought was the best player available at his picks, and not necessarily for needed positions.  He doesn't care about that at that stage as hes stockpiling value to turn into a young elite team that has a solid timeline to compete for championships for 5-10 years.  Until the timing is right to create said elite team, our teams in between can look like they're in limbo; incomplete even.  He's apparently had eyes for Davis for years as a foundation to this elite team, as documented.  He also sees Kyrie as this and who knows who else will end up being a part of it.  The point is, we're at the point where we're about to use this collected value to acquire Davis and Ainge isn't going to burn assets to bring in some vets half way through this 1 particular season to give a minor boost to this team.  The 5 year plan is coming to fruition and he's not going to jeopardize that by bringing in Nikola Mirotics and Marc Gasols leaving him short come this summer to execute the rest of his plan.  That's part of crossing that bridge when it comes, having the assets to cross it.

I don't think Danny could have seen this coming.  LeBron and his cronies saw that we couldn't deal for Davis at the deadline like they could so they played a cheap game.  They threw out lies and bully tactics to force the situation in an effort to get Davis to LA.  This had a terrible effect on both locker rooms and there wasn't much else Danny could've done besides stay political, and continue with his plan.  Before this happened, I'm sure he thought he'd just be able to make offers this summer or next years deadline like a normal situation.  LeBron and Rich Paul made it ugly and we're all suffering the consequences.  There was no hiding anything for anybody as the social media ****storm was in full effect.

I don't think anyone could have seen the Davis debacle coming and we're doing what we can with it.  Guys' attitudes are **** right now; its not a perfect world and these are things GMs have to deal with.  That's why it's a difficult job and I think Danny does a pretty good job with what he's dealt.

And sadly, the media now picks up on everything and like Kyrie recently said, media "reports" can break up locker rooms. Certainly, the picture will look a lot brighter if we re-sign KI and if Ainge gets his man from New Orleans. The process leading up to that looks like a bumpy one.

Re: something needs to change fast
« Reply #54 on: February 27, 2019, 12:19:33 AM »

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I'd start with starting Jaylen Brown over Marcus Smart. Maybe Smart's energy off the bench is the spark that we need when we get to situations that we need it.

I don't know about starting Jaylen however Smart has regressed over the last several games. I know he started off the 3rd quarter hot tonight with a couple steals and a 3, but that aside, he's committing turnovers and missing shots.

We should just go back to Kyrie, Jaylen, Hayward, Tatum, Horford.

Re: something needs to change fast
« Reply #55 on: February 27, 2019, 12:25:04 AM »

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I'd start with starting Jaylen Brown over Marcus Smart. Maybe Smart's energy off the bench is the spark that we need when we get to situations that we need it.

I don't know about starting Jaylen however Smart has regressed over the last several games. I know he started off the 3rd quarter hot tonight with a couple steals and a 3, but that aside, he's committing turnovers and missing shots.

We should just go back to Kyrie, Jaylen, Hayward, Tatum, Horford.

Might have to. At this point, throw everything against the wall and see what sticks.

Re: something needs to change fast
« Reply #56 on: February 27, 2019, 12:26:43 AM »

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It’ll change fast in t minus... 4 months

It was pretty clear the focus isn’t on this season when Danny made no significant moves at the break.  Other contenders dumped assets to lose to the Warriors.  It’s whatever to me at this point because things are going to look a lot different with this team come this summer.  Let the Raptors dump their assets and after Kawhi leaves for LA it’ll all be short lived. 

It’s too bad the kids couldn’t play nice together but that’s what happens when guys are in contract years, they know they aren’t part of the teams future plans and they’re in it for themselves and their families. 

All that being said this is obviously a low point but it’s because attitudes are down and the interest isn’t there for these guys right now.  Realistically these games are meaningless compared to playoff games and I’m sure we’ll see a better Celtics team then.

I guess my question would be, why is it always about "next season" with the Celtics?

Why can't we live in the moment and focus on this season? What if we don't get Davis and Kyrie walks? Is it going to be about the 2020-21 season 2 games into next season?

At what point does Danny get the criticism he deserves?

Because from where I'm sitting, Ainge hasn't won jack since 2008. And I am talking about titles, not trades, or draft picks, or yada yada.

Their effort level and body language looks like they’ve given up so it’s a little hard to get behind them right now.  So like I was saying, either they’ll be a different team come playoffs or it’s on to next season.  That’s their doing.

I understand. I guess where I'm coming from is if Ainge is doing his job, he should've seen this coming and addressed it at the trade deadline. Thus, it shows the players (at least the ones you didn't trade) and your fans that you're invested in this team, this season.

I like that approach more so than just going after one player this summer thinking that's going to magically turn everything around.

Not that Davis isn't talented, but cross that bridge when you get to it. Also, Ainge should've played his cards closer to his chest. Now, everyone knows he wants Davis, even his own players and it may have caused quite the s**storm. See what's happening in LA.

The way I look at this is the big picture and this is my opinion. (obviously)

Danny trades KG, Pierce, Terry, etc. to the Nets to reload, get draft picks, and acquire value to then flip for superstars and do exactly what he did in '08.  The last few drafts Danny has drafted for what he thought was the best player available at his picks, and not necessarily for needed positions.  He doesn't care about that at that stage as hes stockpiling value to turn into a young elite team that has a solid timeline to compete for championships for 5-10 years.  Until the timing is right to create said elite team, our teams in between can look like they're in limbo; incomplete even.  He's apparently had eyes for Davis for years as a foundation to this elite team, as documented.  He also sees Kyrie as this and who knows who else will end up being a part of it.  The point is, we're at the point where we're about to use this collected value to acquire Davis and Ainge isn't going to burn assets to bring in some vets half way through this 1 particular season to give a minor boost to this team.  The 5 year plan is coming to fruition and he's not going to jeopardize that by bringing in Nikola Mirotics and Marc Gasols leaving him short come this summer to execute the rest of his plan.  That's part of crossing that bridge when it comes, having the assets to cross it.

I don't think Danny could have seen this coming.  LeBron and his cronies saw that we couldn't deal for Davis at the deadline like they could so they played a cheap game.  They threw out lies and bully tactics to force the situation in an effort to get Davis to LA.  This had a terrible effect on both locker rooms and there wasn't much else Danny could've done besides stay political, and continue with his plan.  Before this happened, I'm sure he thought he'd just be able to make offers this summer or next years deadline like a normal situation.  LeBron and Rich Paul made it ugly and we're all suffering the consequences.  There was no hiding anything for anybody as the social media ****storm was in full effect.

I don't think anyone could have seen the Davis debacle coming and we're doing what we can with it.  Guys' attitudes are **** right now; its not a perfect world and these are things GMs have to deal with.  That's why it's a difficult job and I think Danny does a pretty good job with what he's dealt.

And sadly, the media now picks up on everything and like Kyrie recently said, media "reports" can break up locker rooms. Certainly, the picture will look a lot brighter if we re-sign KI and if Ainge gets his man from New Orleans. The process leading up to that looks like a bumpy one.

And unfortunately we have to keep on waiting for it while wading through all this crap.  I guess with any truly great achievement (championship or acquisition) comes that bumpy road.  After all, we do have 29 other professional organizations competing against our ambitions.

Re: something needs to change fast
« Reply #57 on: February 27, 2019, 12:32:34 AM »

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Oh geez, now Tatum and Brown aren’t putting in work?

How do you guys come up with this stuff? Seriously, this is nuts.

That is absurd

Re: something needs to change fast
« Reply #58 on: February 27, 2019, 12:40:55 AM »

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The thing that has to change is we need Baynes back.

Re: something needs to change fast
« Reply #59 on: February 27, 2019, 12:56:44 AM »

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The thing that has to change is we need Baynes back.

Agree with this a lot.  When Baynes missed time at the turn of the year we stumbled, and when he came back we got our footing back.