Some interesting Kyrie stats and how to fix this team.....

[TheReaLPuba]

Celtics are:

20-19 when he shoots 15 or more

8-11 when he shoots 20 or more

4-6 when he shoots 25+

8-4 when he shoots less than 15
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6-2 when he scores less than 15 pts
9-5 when he scores less than 20
19-16 when he scores 20 or more
15-7 when he scores 25 or more
8-3 when he scores 30+
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18-11 when he shoots 50%+
15-7 when he hits 3 or more three pointers
6-0 when he hits 5 or more three pointers
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13-9 when he has 7 or more assists
7-6 when he has 10 or more assists
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So basically Kyrie needs to shoot less and score more for us to be a dominant team.....but there's no way he's going to shoot less because passing more doesn't mean we win either.

And I think that's the BIGGEST problem we have is we are trying to make Kyrie into something HE'S clearly NOT and that's a facilitator.

Kyrie is a scorer.

He NEEDS to score. That's just who he is. This will make him happy. That's what made it work so well with LeBron (who liked to pass first) in CLE and Kyrie could close games.

So who becomes our offensive creator?

I'm hoping in time it's Tatum but I think we can try Hayward first so there isn't much pressure on a second year player.

I do believe Tatum has elite play making skills and eventually will be unguardable in pick and rolls.

Starters would be:

Kyrie
Smart
Hayward
Tatum
Horford

But let Hayward be point...Kyrie be the shooting guard (Smart shooting less is a good thing).

Get Kyrie going early and hit a bunch of 3's. If he has 15-20 pts by half time he's going to hit that 30 pt mark easy.

[KGBirdBias]

Hello, well welcome to reality. All these Kyrie stats and I've been saying all year he needs to get other people more shots. Stevens  system isn't built for Kyrie to go Harden. I don't need stats just watch the games and how players play when he's out. He only has one style and it doesn't fit here. 🤷🏾‍♂️

He would do well in NY. Give the fans some oohs and ahhs, get 40 in MSG and lose, be in the lottery every year. Either he conforms or it's going to be an early exit for this team. How he has watched all these games the team win without him and he still can't figure out how to incorporate everyone else. SMH I keep saying and have said all year, I would rather see him get 20 & 14 than 35 & 10.

[LilRip]

We need to get Kyrie easier shots imo. CBS needs to do a better job getting him on the run or something. Kyrie is a terrific tough-shotmaker but I’d rather get him (even more) efficient shots.

Same for Tatum actually.

Actually, come to think of it, is it really CBS or do our two top guys just love tough shots?

[TheReaLPuba]

Hello, well welcome to reality. All these Kyrie stats and I've been saying all year he needs to get other people more shots. Stevens  system isn't built for Kyrie to go Harden. I don't need stats just watch the games and how players play when he's out. He only has one style and it doesn't fit here. 🤷🏾‍♂️

He would do well in NY. Give the fans some oohs and ahhs, get 40 in MSG and lose, be in the lottery every year. Either he conforms or it's going to be an early exit for this team. How he has watched all these games the team win without him and he still can't figure out how to incorporate everyone else. SMH I keep saying and have said all year, I would rather see him get 20 & 14 than 35 & 10.

Well he doesn't need to jack up shots like Harden.

He just needs to make more 3's and be more efficient....hit the free throw line more.

As long as he can score 30+ we are golden.

[Rosco917]

Handing out assists and being a part of a ball movement offense is different.

A team that uses ball movement shares in all the assists too. Just because Kyrie gets 10 assists doesn't mean he is instigating proper ball movement to find the open and best opportunity.   

[Csfan1984]

Well a lot is on BS to design more based around Irving vs allowing Irving to just create. Irving is a score first guard but he plays with a bunch of guys that want shots.

I very much like the Thunder game as a reference of the best way to use Irving.

[KGBirdBias]

Handing out assists and being a part of a ball movement offense is different.

A team that uses ball movement shares in all the assists too. Just because Kyrie gets 10 assists doesn't mean he is instigating proper ball movement to find the open and best opportunity.

Exactly.  Ball movement keeps everyone involved and it's also a motivator for defense.

[KGBirdBias]

Well a lot is on BS to design more based around Irving vs allowing Irving to just create. Irving is a score first guard but he plays with a bunch of guys that want shots.

I very much like the Thunder game as a reference of the best way to use Irving.

No, this is the wrong team for that philosophy. Stop making the offense go as Kyrie goes. He needs to blend in better. He's not the Batman he thinks he is because the others don't see him as Batman.

[RPGenerate]

Well a lot is on BS to design more based around Irving vs allowing Irving to just create. Irving is a score first guard but he plays with a bunch of guys that want shots.

I very much like the Thunder game as a reference of the best way to use Irving.

No, this is the wrong team for that philosophy. Stop making the offense go as Kyrie goes. He needs to blend in better. He's not the Batman he thinks he is because the others don't see him as Batman.

Then maybe the young players need to get with the program and to stop overrating their own value? Last years playoff run might have been the worst thing to happen for the development of these guys.

[Csfan1984]

Well a lot is on BS to design more based around Irving vs allowing Irving to just create. Irving is a score first guard but he plays with a bunch of guys that want shots.

I very much like the Thunder game as a reference of the best way to use Irving.

No, this is the wrong team for that philosophy. Stop making the offense go as Kyrie goes. He needs to blend in better. He's not the Batman he thinks he is because the others don't see him as Batman.

Than the team is the problem because to win you use elite players to score or setup role players.

[BlackCeltic]

Well a lot is on BS to design more based around Irving vs allowing Irving to just create. Irving is a score first guard but he plays with a bunch of guys that want shots.

I very much like the Thunder game as a reference of the best way to use Irving.

No, this is the wrong team for that philosophy. Stop making the offense go as Kyrie goes. He needs to blend in better. He's not the Batman he thinks he is because the others don't see him as Batman.

Then maybe the young players need to get with the program and to stop overrating their own value? Last years playoff run might have been the worst thing to happen for the development of these guys.

How about the coaching staff stop overrating the value of Morris? He is doing nothing but getting in the way at this point.

[Ogaju]

Hello, well welcome to reality. All these Kyrie stats and I've been saying all year he needs to get other people more shots. Stevens  system isn't built for Kyrie to go Harden. I don't need stats just watch the games and how players play when he's out. He only has one style and it doesn't fit here. 🤷🏾‍♂️

He would do well in NY. Give the fans some oohs and ahhs, get 40 in MSG and lose, be in the lottery every year. Either he conforms or it's going to be an early exit for this team. How he has watched all these games the team win without him and he still can't figure out how to incorporate everyone else. SMH I keep saying and have said all year, I would rather see him get 20 & 14 than 35 & 10.

Stats kinda show you need him at 35 and 7.

[gouki88]

Well a lot is on BS to design more based around Irving vs allowing Irving to just create. Irving is a score first guard but he plays with a bunch of guys that want shots.

I very much like the Thunder game as a reference of the best way to use Irving.

No, this is the wrong team for that philosophy. Stop making the offense go as Kyrie goes. He needs to blend in better. He's not the Batman he thinks he is because the others don't see him as Batman.

Then maybe the young players need to get with the program and to stop overrating their own value? Last years playoff run might have been the worst thing to happen for the development of these guys.

Exactly right. Kyrie is absolutely unmatched in terms of offensive ability on this team, and if that upsets the young guys then maybe they should play better. So sick of the notion that we have to baby these young players after a pretty artificial ECF run

[KGBirdBias]

Check Kyrie being the best player on the team when he was with the Cavs. It's ugly

When Bron came then it became easier for him.

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Well a lot is on BS to design more based around Irving vs allowing Irving to just create. Irving is a score first guard but he plays with a bunch of guys that want shots.

I very much like the Thunder game as a reference of the best way to use Irving.

No, this is the wrong team for that philosophy. Stop making the offense go as Kyrie goes. He needs to blend in better. He's not the Batman he thinks he is because the others don't see him as Batman.

Then maybe the young players need to get with the program and to stop overrating their own value? Last years playoff run might have been the worst thing to happen for the development of these guys.

Exactly right. Kyrie is absolutely unmatched in terms of offensive ability on this team, and if that upsets the young guys then maybe they should play better. So sick of the notion that we have to baby these young players after a pretty artificial ECF run

Now I agree with you that we don't have anyone with Kyrie's playmaking ability, you need that in the playoffs.  Young guys need to play better or wait their turn.

But the 'pretty artificial ECF run' - Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. is that supposed to mean?  It wasn't artificial, it wasn't fake news, it wasn't a 'myth' as larbrd33 would have you believe.  I don't get the hate on last years team, nor do I get the effort to diminish their accomplishments.  I mean that was a celtics team too you know.