Poll: If Kyrie walks, was the trade worth it

[KG Living Legend]

 I still think he stays by the way. But if he does walk this is an obvious loss right?

[Who]

Yes - worthwhile risk.

[GreenEnvy]

Obviously depends on how this season shakes out. If we win the title, it was worth it.

Considering both players missed the playoffs last season, we lost a lottery pick.

If Kyrie leaves without a banner here, that pick would’ve been nice.

Very curious to see how IT looks tonight, rooting for him.

[GreenFaith1819]

Yes it was.

The other alternative would've been NOT trading for Kyrie....keeping IT4.....shutting him down due to his injury until NOW....trying to THEN convince Gordon Hayward to come to BOS...

So many If/ands/buts....

If we had shut IT4 down once he initially got hurt (March 2017, against MIN) then I doubt we would've went as far in the playoffs as we did....which would've/could've lead to BOS being a Less-than-idea landing spot for FAs.........

Would GH have come to a 1st round exit BOS team?

With IT4's desire to win perhaps outshining his desire to get healthy I wonder if he would've even listened or been accepting of being shut down? His desire/will is SO STRONG...True Celtic.....

If no trade, then what about Jae Crowder? If GH would've STILL came to BOS could he and Jae co-existed?

Just an unfortunate set of circumstances with the whole thing. But Danny is not a bad guy, here. He won't be a bad guy IF Kyrie leaves, and neither will Kyrie.

[celticsclay]

Who in the world is writing no on this? You realize there is a good chance we are paying IT 15 million a  year right now if we don't do the trade? We have a chance of winning the championship this year and just beat one of the best teams in the east on their home floor. How can we not be happy?

[nyceltsfan]

Yes it was.

The other alternative would've been NOT trading for Kyrie....keeping IT4.....shutting him down due to his injury until NOW....trying to THEN convince Gordon Hayward to come to BOS...

So many If/ands/buts....

If we had shut IT4 down once he initially got hurt (March 2017, against MIN) then I doubt we would've went as far in the playoffs as we did....which would've/could've lead to BOS being a Less-than-idea landing spot for FAs.........

Would GH have come to a 1st round exit BOS team?

With IT4's desire to win perhaps outshining his desire to get healthy I wonder if he would've even listened or been accepting of being shut down? His desire/will is SO STRONG...True Celtic.....

If no trade, then what about Jae Crowder? If GH would've STILL came to BOS could he and Jae co-existed?

Just an unfortunate set of circumstances with the whole thing. But Danny is not a bad guy, here. He won't be a bad guy IF Kyrie leaves, and neither will Kyrie.

I cannot remember the sequence of events, but I have a feeling Gordon Hayward signed with Boston and later in the summer, IT was traded for Kyrie. 

For the record, I believe that the trade was definitely worthwhile, but for the sake of argument let's take this down a different path:

1. IT would be signed for approximately $15mm per year.
2. If GH would not have signed with us, we would have not locked up $30mm per year on him, which looks like it is a tremendous overpayment.
3. We likely would have kept signing role players.

Would the team have been better or worse than it is now?  Potentially, Tatum and Brown could be 17-23 ppg scorers now and have the ball in their hands during crunch time.  Alternatively, we would have been allowed to trade for AD, who may be more willing to sign long term with us.

The possibilities are endless, but my takeaway is that Brad Stevens and Danny Ainge have built a system that puts us in perpetual contention, if we don't mess it up.  It seems like the players can be rotated in and out and regardless of what path the team takes, they will still be competitive for a long time.  I am very thankful to be a Celtic fan.

[SparzWizard]

I would only be bummed out about losing our BKN 2018 pick which turned out to be Collin Sexton.

Ainge would also probably be bummed out about including that second-round pick.

[SHAQATTACK]

Who in the world is writing no on this? You realize there is a good chance we are paying IT 15 million a  year right now if we don't do the trade? We have a chance of winning the championship this year and just beat one of the best teams in the east on their home floor. How can we not be happy?

TP.....We have a good team if he leaves and still might snag AD .  As much as i love IT , a Boston hero forever we dodged a killer bullet . KI did come available,  was miracle.  Maybe DA would not have signed IT to a huge contract I don't think , but Irving gave us a way out of that sad situation and some pretty darn great basketball when on the court healthy .  So yeah , a year of Irving beats 3-4 years of one legged IT ...who,may never be the player he was. Pick was not a Tatum type player .

Basically Bron went to LA to make more money and business first ,  make LA winners second , h let it slip in a news conference .  I would be super mad .  Kyrie might choose the same with NYC and KD .  We ll see , but its been fun  no matter.

[PhoSita]

Yeah, I'd rather have two years of Kyrie than Collin Sexton plus broken down IT.

But this is all in hindsight.


The deal was a great gamble based on the information that was available at the time.

Any smart GM makes that trade 10/10 times.

[MattyIce]

Yes it was.

The other alternative would've been NOT trading for Kyrie....keeping IT4.....shutting him down due to his injury until NOW....trying to THEN convince Gordon Hayward to come to BOS...

So many If/ands/buts....

If we had shut IT4 down once he initially got hurt (March 2017, against MIN) then I doubt we would've went as far in the playoffs as we did....which would've/could've lead to BOS being a Less-than-idea landing spot for FAs.........

Would GH have come to a 1st round exit BOS team?

With IT4's desire to win perhaps outshining his desire to get healthy I wonder if he would've even listened or been accepting of being shut down? His desire/will is SO STRONG...True Celtic.....

If no trade, then what about Jae Crowder? If GH would've STILL came to BOS could he and Jae co-existed?

Just an unfortunate set of circumstances with the whole thing. But Danny is not a bad guy, here. He won't be a bad guy IF Kyrie leaves, and neither will Kyrie.

I cannot remember the sequence of events, but I have a feeling Gordon Hayward signed with Boston and later in the summer, IT was traded for Kyrie. 

For the record, I believe that the trade was definitely worthwhile, but for the sake of argument let's take this down a different path:

1. IT would be signed for approximately $15mm per year.
2. If GH would not have signed with us, we would have not locked up $30mm per year on him, which looks like it is a tremendous overpayment.
3. We likely would have kept signing role players.

Would the team have been better or worse than it is now?  Potentially, Tatum and Brown could be 17-23 ppg scorers now and have the ball in their hands during crunch time.  Alternatively, we would have been allowed to trade for AD, who may be more willing to sign long term with us.

The possibilities are endless, but my takeaway is that Brad Stevens and Danny Ainge have built a system that puts us in perpetual contention, if we don't mess it up.  It seems like the players can be rotated in and out and regardless of what path the team takes, they will still be competitive for a long time.  I am very thankful to be a Celtic fan.

actually GH would have never been hurt if the trade didn’t happen so he would be an all star

IT would have been on a year to year contract from what i know (not think)

[nyceltsfan]

Yes it was.

The other alternative would've been NOT trading for Kyrie....keeping IT4.....shutting him down due to his injury until NOW....trying to THEN convince Gordon Hayward to come to BOS...

So many If/ands/buts....

If we had shut IT4 down once he initially got hurt (March 2017, against MIN) then I doubt we would've went as far in the playoffs as we did....which would've/could've lead to BOS being a Less-than-idea landing spot for FAs.........

Would GH have come to a 1st round exit BOS team?

With IT4's desire to win perhaps outshining his desire to get healthy I wonder if he would've even listened or been accepting of being shut down? His desire/will is SO STRONG...True Celtic.....

If no trade, then what about Jae Crowder? If GH would've STILL came to BOS could he and Jae co-existed?

Just an unfortunate set of circumstances with the whole thing. But Danny is not a bad guy, here. He won't be a bad guy IF Kyrie leaves, and neither will Kyrie.

I cannot remember the sequence of events, but I have a feeling Gordon Hayward signed with Boston and later in the summer, IT was traded for Kyrie. 

For the record, I believe that the trade was definitely worthwhile, but for the sake of argument let's take this down a different path:

1. IT would be signed for approximately $15mm per year.
2. If GH would not have signed with us, we would have not locked up $30mm per year on him, which looks like it is a tremendous overpayment.
3. We likely would have kept signing role players.

Would the team have been better or worse than it is now?  Potentially, Tatum and Brown could be 17-23 ppg scorers now and have the ball in their hands during crunch time.  Alternatively, we would have been allowed to trade for AD, who may be more willing to sign long term with us.

The possibilities are endless, but my takeaway is that Brad Stevens and Danny Ainge have built a system that puts us in perpetual contention, if we don't mess it up.  It seems like the players can be rotated in and out and regardless of what path the team takes, they will still be competitive for a long time.  I am very thankful to be a Celtic fan.

actually GH would have never been hurt if the trade didn’t happen so he would be an all star

IT would have been on a year to year contract from what i know (not think)

That is probably true, but the previous poster was asking if GH would have come to Boston without KI (which he did), but for the sake of argument, I was going down the path of him choosing to stay with Utah.  I still think our team would be very good right now and we may have Anthony Davis.

[SHAQATTACK]

Yes it was.

The other alternative would've been NOT trading for Kyrie....keeping IT4.....shutting him down due to his injury until NOW....trying to THEN convince Gordon Hayward to come to BOS...

So many If/ands/buts....

If we had shut IT4 down once he initially got hurt (March 2017, against MIN) then I doubt we would've went as far in the playoffs as we did....which would've/could've lead to BOS being a Less-than-idea landing spot for FAs.........

Would GH have come to a 1st round exit BOS team?

With IT4's desire to win perhaps outshining his desire to get healthy I wonder if he would've even listened or been accepting of being shut down? His desire/will is SO STRONG...True Celtic.....

If no trade, then what about Jae Crowder? If GH would've STILL came to BOS could he and Jae co-existed?

Just an unfortunate set of circumstances with the whole thing. But Danny is not a bad guy, here. He won't be a bad guy IF Kyrie leaves, and neither will Kyrie.

I cannot remember the sequence of events, but I have a feeling Gordon Hayward signed with Boston and later in the summer, IT was traded for Kyrie. 

For the record, I believe that the trade was definitely worthwhile, but for the sake of argument let's take this down a different path:

1. IT would be signed for approximately $15mm per year.
2. If GH would not have signed with us, we would have not locked up $30mm per year on him, which looks like it is a tremendous overpayment.
3. We likely would have kept signing role players.

Would the team have been better or worse than it is now?  Potentially, Tatum and Brown could be 17-23 ppg scorers now and have the ball in their hands during crunch time.  Alternatively, we would have been allowed to trade for AD, who may be more willing to sign long term with us.

The possibilities are endless, but my takeaway is that Brad Stevens and Danny Ainge have built a system that puts us in perpetual contention, if we don't mess it up.  It seems like the players can be rotated in and out and regardless of what path the team takes, they will still be competitive for a long time.  I am very thankful to be a Celtic fan.

actually GH would have never been hurt if the trade didn’t happen so he would be an all star

IT would have been on a year to year contract from what i know (not think)

So Gordon catches a pass from Smart , dunks ,  and becomes an All star.  You nowmhave a entirely NEW set of events and time line which there is no answer , just as there was no KNOWLEDGE ahead of time Kyrie would make a difficult pass to Gordon.  Gordon is estatic over his accomplishments, drinks too much and slides his car off the road and kills himself  or he is killed in hunting accident with Baynes .  The future with a new time line could have had infinite outcomes .  Kyrie IS not t blame for this .  No more than if Gordon was killed walking across a street . 

[nickagneta]

If the trade didn't go down, would Danny even have taken Sexton? Would Danny have been able to trade up in the draft for someone better? Would he have traded the pick and IT for a different available player/star?

When you look at the what ifs, I think Ainge still may have ended up with someone other than just Sexton. Could Doncic have been in play? Or Jaren Jackson? Maybe Trae Young? Or could Danny instead have chosen Gilgeous-Alexander.

Or he could have chosen someone worse or traded for someone who wasn't very good.

Anything is possible. What happened, happened. It was and continues to be a great move.

[Moranis]

If he leaves, I'm assuming it is because Boston loses in the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs, and thus I voted no because in that scenario I would have rather had the lottery pick for most likely 8 years than the 2 seasons of Irving.

and there is almost no way Ainge takes Sexton.  He is not an Ainge type of player. 

[TheSundanceKid]

Absolutely. With the way Isaiah has turned out we would have suffered massively in the regular season, it would have been much harder to achieve what we have in that position