Mannix: C's Chances with AD are 90% after Deadline

[footey]

Isn’t Porzingis a restricted FA at the end of this season? He can only be traded before the deadline not after as a practical matter.

[gpap]

Isn’t Porzingis a restricted FA at the end of this season? He can only be traded before the deadline not after as a practical matter.

Yes, he is actually. So, the Knicks chances have evaporated during this thread.

Our chances have now gone up to 95%, thank you.

[jpotter33]

I agree with this.  Not enough is being made of the fact the Knicks might have the #1 pick to offer.

I know this happens every year with the league overvaluing draft prospects, but is anyone in this year's draft really better than Tatum? I don't think so. I know Zion gets a lot of hype, but I just don't see him being super successful at the NBA level, as he doesn't really have a true position or any elite skills outside of his athleticism. It seems like his athleticism will be significantly less of an advantage against NBA-level guys. And nobody else in the draft has really jumped out at me either.

Granted, I don't watch that much college basketball, so I could be missing something. But I think you take the sure thing in Tatum over the unknowns of a college player, especially one that doesn't scream "top-level talent."

With Porzingis being a restricted free agent and sure to have offers elsewhere, I don't see why he would agree to a move to the Pelicans, thus making a Porzingis and #1 pick virtually impossible. So even with the #1, without Porzingis buying in I just don't see them being able to beat our package.

[jpotter33]

But in general I agree with Mannix. I think we're far and away the favorite for AD if NOLA can hold out and not trade him at the deadline.

[PhoSita]

Why would the Knicks trade Kristaps and the #1 pick for AD? They would have nobody left on their roster to convince him to stick around.

Unless the theory is that they'd use cap space to sign a bunch of guys.

Do we really think Durant, Klay, Jimmy butler, etc want to sign with a Knicks team that has nobody worth mentioning apart from AD?

[ederson]

Why would the Knicks trade Kristaps and the #1 pick for AD? They would have nobody left on their roster to convince him to stick around.

Unless the theory is that they'd use cap space to sign a bunch of guys.

Do we really think Durant, Klay, Jimmy butler, etc want to sign with a Knicks team that has nobody worth mentioning apart from AD?

Isnt it how LBJ and Bosh went to  a Miami team that only had Wade?

[Monkhouse]

Why would the Knicks trade Kristaps and the #1 pick for AD? They would have nobody left on their roster to convince him to stick around.

Unless the theory is that they'd use cap space to sign a bunch of guys.

Do we really think Durant, Klay, Jimmy butler, etc want to sign with a Knicks team that has nobody worth mentioning apart from AD?

Isnt it how LBJ and Bosh went to  a Miami team that only had Wade?

3 factors played into that decision:

1) LeBron was tired of losing to the Celtics.

2) LeBron, Wade, and Bosh were all great friends, and already agreed under the table handshake agreement.

3) Pat Riley was also vital in ensuring that LeBron would be interested. They both have mutual respect for each other, and there were plenty of great role players set already to provide the Heat with the necessary team to compete for a championship.

[JBcat]

I agree with this.  Not enough is being made of the fact the Knicks might have the #1 pick to offer.

I know this happens every year with the league overvaluing draft prospects, but is anyone in this year's draft really better than Tatum? I don't think so. I know Zion gets a lot of hype, but I just don't see him being super successful at the NBA level, as he doesn't really have a true position or any elite skills outside of his athleticism. It seems like his athleticism will be significantly less of an advantage against NBA-level guys. And nobody else in the draft has really jumped out at me either.

Granted, I don't watch that much college basketball, so I could be missing something. But I think you take the sure thing in Tatum over the unknowns of a college player, especially one that doesn't scream "top-level talent."

With Porzingis being a restricted free agent and sure to have offers elsewhere, I don't see why he would agree to a move to the Pelicans, thus making a Porzingis and #1 pick virtually impossible. So even with the #1, without Porzingis buying in I just don't see them being able to beat our package.

I think Zion is going to be great in the pros, kind of like a supersized chiseled Charles Barkley. Great athlete all around not just leaping ability.

[mef730]

I can't wait to see the conspiracy theories if the Knicks end up with the #1 pick and somehow translate that into Anthony Davis.

Mike

[Moranis]

Isn’t Porzingis a restricted FA at the end of this season? He can only be traded before the deadline not after as a practical matter.

the #1 pick is the best asset that can be traded for Davis aside from maybe Ben Simmons (and that is a maybe). Couple that pick with Knox and Ntkilina, plus Hardaway for salary and that is a tremendous offer.  It is worse though still very good if the pick is #2.  It really only tails off at 3 or worse.  Add Davis to the Zinger and then use the cap space for Durant or Irving and the Knicks are the favorites in the East and maybe all of basketball (especially if it is Durant)

[slamtheking]

Isn’t Porzingis a restricted FA at the end of this season? He can only be traded before the deadline not after as a practical matter.

the #1 pick is the best asset that can be traded for Davis aside from maybe Ben Simmons (and that is a maybe). Couple that pick with Knox and Ntkilina, plus Hardaway for salary and that is a tremendous offer.  It is worse though still very good if the pick is #2.  It really only tails off at 3 or worse.  Add Davis to the Zinger and then use the cap space for Durant or Irving and the Knicks are the favorites in the East and maybe all of basketball (especially if it is Durant)

I don't see Simmons and the #1 pick as the best assets they can get.  I still put Tatum at the top of that list.  Simmons, for all his ball-handling and passing skills, doesn't score outside the lane so he's limited in what he gives you offensively.  Tatum has no such issues.  I don't see anyone in this draft that looks to be a better prospect than Tatum.  good prospects, sure.  as good as Tatum, no. 

Davis isn't going to NY or LA unless Demps is a complete moron and trades Davis before he deadline.  if he waits until the summer, the C's can offer a better package than anyone else.  the only way he doesn't go to the C's is if Davis tells Danny he absolutely won't resign here OR NO wants every asset we have which would leave us little better than NO-East.

[tonydelk]

I know a lot of people really want AD and are ok giving up Tatum.  I am not one of them.  I'm ok with giving up all of the picks, Brown but I don't want to see Smart or Tatum leave.  I'd rather Davis go out west or to the Knicks.  If Kyrie does not resign then so be it but I'd rather roll with this team, draft more young players to develop and contend for 10 years versus 4 years.  We will mortgage our entire future on the hopes that he will resign.  If he does not then this team will be rebuilding in 4 years versus contending for 10.  I hope AD gets moved before the deadline.

[Moranis]

Isn’t Porzingis a restricted FA at the end of this season? He can only be traded before the deadline not after as a practical matter.

the #1 pick is the best asset that can be traded for Davis aside from maybe Ben Simmons (and that is a maybe). Couple that pick with Knox and Ntkilina, plus Hardaway for salary and that is a tremendous offer.  It is worse though still very good if the pick is #2.  It really only tails off at 3 or worse.  Add Davis to the Zinger and then use the cap space for Durant or Irving and the Knicks are the favorites in the East and maybe all of basketball (especially if it is Durant)

I don't see Simmons and the #1 pick as the best assets they can get.  I still put Tatum at the top of that list.  Simmons, for all his ball-handling and passing skills, doesn't score outside the lane so he's limited in what he gives you offensively.  Tatum has no such issues.  I don't see anyone in this draft that looks to be a better prospect than Tatum.  good prospects, sure.  as good as Tatum, no. 

Davis isn't going to NY or LA unless Demps is a complete moron and trades Davis before he deadline.  if he waits until the summer, the C's can offer a better package than anyone else.  the only way he doesn't go to the C's is if Davis tells Danny he absolutely won't resign here OR NO wants every asset we have which would leave us little better than NO-East.

you may prefer Tatum personally be he is a worse asset than Simmons or #1 and it probably isn't all that close around the league

[jpotter33]

Isn’t Porzingis a restricted FA at the end of this season? He can only be traded before the deadline not after as a practical matter.

the #1 pick is the best asset that can be traded for Davis aside from maybe Ben Simmons (and that is a maybe). Couple that pick with Knox and Ntkilina, plus Hardaway for salary and that is a tremendous offer.  It is worse though still very good if the pick is #2.  It really only tails off at 3 or worse.  Add Davis to the Zinger and then use the cap space for Durant or Irving and the Knicks are the favorites in the East and maybe all of basketball (especially if it is Durant)

Except Zinger is a restricted free agent and would have to agree and cooperate with any trade. Why in the world would he agree to such a trade to a franchise starting completely over in a smaller market, especially coming from New York? That makes no sense whatsoever and should nullify any further discussion of putting Zinger in the trade.

The # 1 and a bunch of middling prospects cannot beat our offer.

[Silky]

I know a lot of people really want AD and are ok giving up Tatum.  I am not one of them.  I'm ok with giving up all of the picks, Brown but I don't want to see Smart or Tatum leave.  I'd rather Davis go out west or to the Knicks.  If Kyrie does not resign then so be it but I'd rather roll with this team, draft more young players to develop and contend for 10 years versus 4 years.  We will mortgage our entire future on the hopes that he will resign.  If he does not then this team will be rebuilding in 4 years versus contending for 10.  I hope AD gets moved before the deadline.

Agreed.

I hipe hayward rozier and picks are the deal.

A returned to form Hayward is a great get for the pels. Add Terry and as many as 4 or 5 picks and no one can beat that imo.

With the potential that both kyrie and davis can leave the team cannot trade any of brown/tatum/smart/williams.

At least with that core you can compete in the east