Mannix: C's Chances with AD are 90% after Deadline

[SHAQATTACK]

I sure every type of bribe , tampering , arm bending , you name it will be laid on the FO of Pelicans  between now and deadline will be attemped with the willing help of the mass media , who love when celebrities choose the largest venues. 

There is no telling the insane offers that will made to line anybodys pocket who can influence the outcome for the Lakers . 

Third parties and Brons Mob Camp ...pushing all the buttons.



looking for an " IN"

[Moranis]

Isn’t Porzingis a restricted FA at the end of this season? He can only be traded before the deadline not after as a practical matter.

the #1 pick is the best asset that can be traded for Davis aside from maybe Ben Simmons (and that is a maybe). Couple that pick with Knox and Ntkilina, plus Hardaway for salary and that is a tremendous offer.  It is worse though still very good if the pick is #2.  It really only tails off at 3 or worse.  Add Davis to the Zinger and then use the cap space for Durant or Irving and the Knicks are the favorites in the East and maybe all of basketball (especially if it is Durant)

Except Zinger is a restricted free agent and would have to agree and cooperate with any trade. Why in the world would he agree to such a trade to a franchise starting completely over in a smaller market, especially coming from New York? That makes no sense whatsoever and should nullify any further discussion of putting Zinger in the trade.

The # 1 and a bunch of middling prospects cannot beat our offer.

not sure what this has to do with my post as I wasn't trading Zinger.

And I guess we will just have to disagree as I absolutely believe that 1, Knox, Ntkilina, and Hardaway (and future picks) is better than Tatum, Smart, 13 (or whatever late lottery the Kings end up - if it hits 2,3, or 4 that changes things), and Memphis 1st (plus some C's picks). 

Even if you think Tatum is a slightly better prospect than Zion, the fact that you get 2 extra years of Zion is a huge value.  Knox has been very good as a rookie and clearly has all star level potential (may not get there).  Probably a better asset then the unknown that is the Memphis pick though somewhat comparable. Hardaway is overpaid a bit, but is a quality starter level player (basically a reverse Smart but not much difference overall in value).  Ntkilina has been fairly blahs but is still pretty young and has decent talent. Probably a similar level player as whatever younger from 13. 

So unless Boston adds Brown, it isn't beating that offer.  Now maybe Boston really would trade Tatum, Brown, Smart, and all of the draft picks, but that it what it would take if the Knicks end up with the 1st pick in the draft.

[footey]

I can't wait to see the conspiracy theories if the Knicks end up with the #1 pick and somehow translate that into Anthony Davis.

Mike

The Celtics can offer a team for Davis that can make the playoffs in the west; Brown and Tatum, with Holiday and vet PG (maybe they sign Rozier as FA), could def make West' top 8 IMO.  Wouldn't the Pels prefer that to Zion Williamson? He's exciting, but not going to win many games early on.

[LarBrd33]

“90%” is meaningless, but I do think we have a decent shot.

The thing that worries me is that last time Demps had a disgruntled superstar he dealt him to the Lakers for a poor return before having that deal vetoed.

What's funny is that the the original deal was at least about on par with the vetoed deal.

Final deal: Eric Gordon, Al Farouq-Aminu, Chris Kaman (expiring), Austin Rivers
Initial deal: Goran Dragic, Kevin Martin, Lamar Odom, Luis Scola

The final deal had the better overall package, but Dragic is the best of the bunch. No matter what, I am very glad LAL didn't get Chris Paul for (at the time) a very questionable package. The same thing had already happened with Pau Gasol when Marc Gasol was nothing more than the #48 pick.

nah the first deal would have financially been a nightmare for a team that was seeking an owner and couldn’t sell tickets with Chris Paul as a headliner.  That and the first trade would have kept them mediocre when what they needed was to bottom out.  If not for the second deal they don’t end up tanking for Anthony Davis.  Had I been the owner of the team I would have overruled my GM as well.  Only problem was that the NBA was the “owner” at the time so it looked bad when the Lakers made a stink about it.

[footey]

Isn’t Porzingis a restricted FA at the end of this season? He can only be traded before the deadline not after as a practical matter.

the #1 pick is the best asset that can be traded for Davis aside from maybe Ben Simmons (and that is a maybe). Couple that pick with Knox and Ntkilina, plus Hardaway for salary and that is a tremendous offer.  It is worse though still very good if the pick is #2.  It really only tails off at 3 or worse.  Add Davis to the Zinger and then use the cap space for Durant or Irving and the Knicks are the favorites in the East and maybe all of basketball (especially if it is Durant)

Except Zinger is a restricted free agent and would have to agree and cooperate with any trade. Why in the world would he agree to such a trade to a franchise starting completely over in a smaller market, especially coming from New York? That makes no sense whatsoever and should nullify any further discussion of putting Zinger in the trade.

The # 1 and a bunch of middling prospects cannot beat our offer.

not sure what this has to do with my post as I wasn't trading Zinger.

And I guess we will just have to disagree as I absolutely believe that 1, Knox, Ntkilina, and Hardaway (and future picks) is better than Tatum, Smart, 13 (or whatever late lottery the Kings end up - if it hits 2,3, or 4 that changes things), and Memphis 1st (plus some C's picks). 

Even if you think Tatum is a slightly better prospect than Zion, the fact that you get 2 extra years of Zion is a huge value.  Knox has been very good as a rookie and clearly has all star level potential (may not get there).  Probably a better asset then the unknown that is the Memphis pick though somewhat comparable. Hardaway is overpaid a bit, but is a quality starter level player (basically a reverse Smart but not much difference overall in value).  Ntkilina has been fairly blahs but is still pretty young and has decent talent. Probably a similar level player as whatever younger from 13. 

So unless Boston adds Brown, it isn't beating that offer.  Now maybe Boston really would trade Tatum, Brown, Smart, and all of the draft picks, but that it what it would take if the Knicks end up with the 1st pick in the draft.

Demp will face pressure to put a product on the floor that can compete for playoffs right away.  He has a poor track record of building a team around a single high pick. He could not do it in 6 years with AD, you think he will be given 6 more years to build around Zion (assuming Knicks even get Zion, which is unlikely)?    The Celtics offer will be more enticing for him because it will provide him a better chance of keeping his job.  Tatum, Brown and Smart are the proven nucleus of a team that made it to the 7th game of the ECF. 

[PhoSita]

Why would the Knicks trade Kristaps and the #1 pick for AD? They would have nobody left on their roster to convince him to stick around.

Unless the theory is that they'd use cap space to sign a bunch of guys.

Do we really think Durant, Klay, Jimmy butler, etc want to sign with a Knicks team that has nobody worth mentioning apart from AD?

Isnt it how LBJ and Bosh went to  a Miami team that only had Wade?

Miami had Pat Riley and made the playoffs the season before. 

What have the Knicks done lately to give a player that kind of confidence?

What has Fizdale done?

[gpap]

Isn’t Porzingis a restricted FA at the end of this season? He can only be traded before the deadline not after as a practical matter.

the #1 pick is the best asset that can be traded for Davis aside from maybe Ben Simmons (and that is a maybe). Couple that pick with Knox and Ntkilina, plus Hardaway for salary and that is a tremendous offer.  It is worse though still very good if the pick is #2.  It really only tails off at 3 or worse.  Add Davis to the Zinger and then use the cap space for Durant or Irving and the Knicks are the favorites in the East and maybe all of basketball (especially if it is Durant)

I don't see Simmons and the #1 pick as the best assets they can get.  I still put Tatum at the top of that list.  Simmons, for all his ball-handling and passing skills, doesn't score outside the lane so he's limited in what he gives you offensively.  Tatum has no such issues.  I don't see anyone in this draft that looks to be a better prospect than Tatum.  good prospects, sure.  as good as Tatum, no. 

Davis isn't going to NY or LA unless Demps is a complete moron and trades Davis before he deadline.  if he waits until the summer, the C's can offer a better package than anyone else.  the only way he doesn't go to the C's is if Davis tells Danny he absolutely won't resign here OR NO wants every asset we have which would leave us little better than NO-East.

you may prefer Tatum personally be he is a worse asset than Simmons or #1 and it probably isn't all that close around the league

I fail to see what is so special about Ben Simmons. Sorry, but I just don't get it.

[KGBirdBias]

Ainge should approach this in two ways.

Trade for AD with no assurances he will resign.
Offer Brown, Rozier (S&T) Theis, Yabu, 3 #1 picks

If AD will sign extension - add Tatum to deal.

[ederson]

What had Spoelstra done before LBJ?

 The only difference is Riley but on the other side KD or whoever will know that NY has the FO that traded for AD.

[jpotter33]

Isn’t Porzingis a restricted FA at the end of this season? He can only be traded before the deadline not after as a practical matter.

the #1 pick is the best asset that can be traded for Davis aside from maybe Ben Simmons (and that is a maybe). Couple that pick with Knox and Ntkilina, plus Hardaway for salary and that is a tremendous offer.  It is worse though still very good if the pick is #2.  It really only tails off at 3 or worse.  Add Davis to the Zinger and then use the cap space for Durant or Irving and the Knicks are the favorites in the East and maybe all of basketball (especially if it is Durant)

Except Zinger is a restricted free agent and would have to agree and cooperate with any trade. Why in the world would he agree to such a trade to a franchise starting completely over in a smaller market, especially coming from New York? That makes no sense whatsoever and should nullify any further discussion of putting Zinger in the trade.

The # 1 and a bunch of middling prospects cannot beat our offer.

not sure what this has to do with my post as I wasn't trading Zinger.

And I guess we will just have to disagree as I absolutely believe that 1, Knox, Ntkilina, and Hardaway (and future picks) is better than Tatum, Smart, 13 (or whatever late lottery the Kings end up - if it hits 2,3, or 4 that changes things), and Memphis 1st (plus some C's picks). 

Even if you think Tatum is a slightly better prospect than Zion, the fact that you get 2 extra years of Zion is a huge value.  Knox has been very good as a rookie and clearly has all star level potential (may not get there).  Probably a better asset then the unknown that is the Memphis pick though somewhat comparable. Hardaway is overpaid a bit, but is a quality starter level player (basically a reverse Smart but not much difference overall in value).  Ntkilina has been fairly blahs but is still pretty young and has decent talent. Probably a similar level player as whatever younger from 13. 

So unless Boston adds Brown, it isn't beating that offer.  Now maybe Boston really would trade Tatum, Brown, Smart, and all of the draft picks, but that it what it would take if the Knicks end up with the 1st pick in the draft.

Oops! My bad, as I misread your last post.

But i mean, yeah, that offer isn’t all that great, but I don’t think that’s our final offer. Adding Brown definitely swamps that, and I think a Rozier S&T could also be a possibility, sinilarly pushing it above NY’s offer. Also, I think Sac’s pick ends up quite a bit better than where it is currently given their upcoming difficult schedule.

[Moranis]

Isn’t Porzingis a restricted FA at the end of this season? He can only be traded before the deadline not after as a practical matter.

the #1 pick is the best asset that can be traded for Davis aside from maybe Ben Simmons (and that is a maybe). Couple that pick with Knox and Ntkilina, plus Hardaway for salary and that is a tremendous offer.  It is worse though still very good if the pick is #2.  It really only tails off at 3 or worse.  Add Davis to the Zinger and then use the cap space for Durant or Irving and the Knicks are the favorites in the East and maybe all of basketball (especially if it is Durant)

I don't see Simmons and the #1 pick as the best assets they can get.  I still put Tatum at the top of that list.  Simmons, for all his ball-handling and passing skills, doesn't score outside the lane so he's limited in what he gives you offensively.  Tatum has no such issues.  I don't see anyone in this draft that looks to be a better prospect than Tatum.  good prospects, sure.  as good as Tatum, no. 

Davis isn't going to NY or LA unless Demps is a complete moron and trades Davis before he deadline.  if he waits until the summer, the C's can offer a better package than anyone else.  the only way he doesn't go to the C's is if Davis tells Danny he absolutely won't resign here OR NO wants every asset we have which would leave us little better than NO-East.

you may prefer Tatum personally be he is a worse asset than Simmons or #1 and it probably isn't all that close around the league

I fail to see what is so special about Ben Simmons. Sorry, but I just don't get it.

that is a you problem

[droopdog7]

"If we get past Feb. 7, the Celtics' chances of acquiring Anthony Davis go I think to like 90 percent because of Jayson Tatum," Mannix said Wednesday on Celtics Pregame Live.

“Now Boston won't want to include Tatum in that mix, but if other teams start to get involved, let me tell you this: The team I would be most nervous about come lottery night is the New York Knicks, because the New York Knicks could send [Kristaps] Porzingis and the No. 1 overall pick. That would scare me if I were the Celtics."

Okay, but the knicks would be trash in that situation after acquiring Davis.  Probably worse than the pelicans.  So what's the point?

[bknova]

Isn’t Porzingis a restricted FA at the end of this season? He can only be traded before the deadline not after as a practical matter.

the #1 pick is the best asset that can be traded for Davis aside from maybe Ben Simmons (and that is a maybe). Couple that pick with Knox and Ntkilina, plus Hardaway for salary and that is a tremendous offer.  It is worse though still very good if the pick is #2.  It really only tails off at 3 or worse.  Add Davis to the Zinger and then use the cap space for Durant or Irving and the Knicks are the favorites in the East and maybe all of basketball (especially if it is Durant)

I don't see Simmons and the #1 pick as the best assets they can get.  I still put Tatum at the top of that list.  Simmons, for all his ball-handling and passing skills, doesn't score outside the lane so he's limited in what he gives you offensively.  Tatum has no such issues.  I don't see anyone in this draft that looks to be a better prospect than Tatum.  good prospects, sure.  as good as Tatum, no. 

Davis isn't going to NY or LA unless Demps is a complete moron and trades Davis before he deadline.  if he waits until the summer, the C's can offer a better package than anyone else.  the only way he doesn't go to the C's is if Davis tells Danny he absolutely won't resign here OR NO wants every asset we have which would leave us little better than NO-East.

you may prefer Tatum personally be he is a worse asset than Simmons or #1 and it probably isn't all that close around the league

I fail to see what is so special about Ben Simmons. Sorry, but I just don't get it.

Great.  But the problem with this board, and all boards, you aren't the talent evaluator.  Nor are you the one who weight the package vs the business and basketball goals of the team making the trade.

The point is, and the point many are trying to make, if names like Simmons, Zion, and Porzingis are on the table, we may not have the clear cut best package.  If they value any of those three higher than Tatum, we have competition.  There are competitive offers.   Its up to New Orleans and their staff to decided whats best for their franchise.

Its good to be them right now. They're going to have a lot of good options.  Which is why this is all coming out now, the Lakers cannot compete.

[SparzWizard]

"If we get past Feb. 7, the Celtics' chances of acquiring Anthony Davis go I think to like 90 percent because of Jayson Tatum," Mannix said Wednesday on Celtics Pregame Live.

“Now Boston won't want to include Tatum in that mix, but if other teams start to get involved, let me tell you this: The team I would be most nervous about come lottery night is the New York Knicks, because the New York Knicks could send [Kristaps] Porzingis and the No. 1 overall pick. That would scare me if I were the Celtics."

Okay, but the knicks would be trash in that situation after acquiring Davis.  Probably worse than the pelicans.  So what's the point?

They have cap space to sign Kawhi Leonard or Kyrie Irving

[droopdog7]

Isn’t Porzingis a restricted FA at the end of this season? He can only be traded before the deadline not after as a practical matter.

the #1 pick is the best asset that can be traded for Davis aside from maybe Ben Simmons (and that is a maybe). Couple that pick with Knox and Ntkilina, plus Hardaway for salary and that is a tremendous offer.  It is worse though still very good if the pick is #2.  It really only tails off at 3 or worse.  Add Davis to the Zinger and then use the cap space for Durant or Irving and the Knicks are the favorites in the East and maybe all of basketball (especially if it is Durant)

I don't see Simmons and the #1 pick as the best assets they can get.  I still put Tatum at the top of that list.  Simmons, for all his ball-handling and passing skills, doesn't score outside the lane so he's limited in what he gives you offensively.  Tatum has no such issues.  I don't see anyone in this draft that looks to be a better prospect than Tatum.  good prospects, sure.  as good as Tatum, no. 

Davis isn't going to NY or LA unless Demps is a complete moron and trades Davis before he deadline.  if he waits until the summer, the C's can offer a better package than anyone else.  the only way he doesn't go to the C's is if Davis tells Danny he absolutely won't resign here OR NO wants every asset we have which would leave us little better than NO-East.

you may prefer Tatum personally be he is a worse asset than Simmons or #1 and it probably isn't all that close around the league

I fail to see what is so special about Ben Simmons. Sorry, but I just don't get it.

Hyperbole at it's finest.  One can see what is so special about Ben Simmons from outer space.  Six ten PG with blazing speed, very nice athleticism, great handles and vision that is early 20's. 

Now, does he have a big giant hole in his game.  Of course, and it may dog him for the rest of his career.  But failing to see what's so special about Ben Simmons is a you problem.