Mannix: C's Chances with AD are 90% after Deadline

[slightly biased bias fan]

"If we get past Feb. 7, the Celtics' chances of acquiring Anthony Davis go I think to like 90 percent because of Jayson Tatum," Mannix said Wednesday on Celtics Pregame Live.

“Now Boston won't want to include Tatum in that mix, but if other teams start to get involved, let me tell you this: The team I would be most nervous about come lottery night is the New York Knicks, because the New York Knicks could send [Kristaps] Porzingis and the No. 1 overall pick. That would scare me if I were the Celtics."

[LarBrd33]

I agree with this.  Not enough is being made of the fact the Knicks might have the #1 pick to offer.

[gouki88]

It really is quite an important 4 way race for the #1 pick this year, for us at least. Hoping the Bulls get it

[gpap]

If the Pelicans hold off until the summer (which I think they will) then Mannix is right.

The Celts chances of getting the Brow increase exponentially.

I can only assume the Memphis, Sactown and Clippers pick are all involved along with Tatum and maybe Smart (because of his salary.)

Then we roll into 2019-2020 with a duo of Kyrie/Davis. Two starts in their prime that could win us multiple titles.

I can see why the Knicks are a possibility, but honestly if they get Anthony Davis, who are they going to pair him up with? Kevin Knox? That's a worse team than the one he's on now.

If I am looking to trade an all-star for the best package, I'd rather take Tatum and 3 first rounders over Porzingis and whoever the Knicks pick ends up being.

[JBcat]

I agree with this.  Not enough is being made of the fact the Knicks might have the #1 pick to offer.

Even if the Knicks get the #2 pick RJ Barrett and Porzingas is a pretty enticing offer.

[bknova]

If the Pelicans hold off until the summer (which I think they will) then Mannix is right.

The Celts chances of getting the Brow increase exponentially.

I can only assume the Memphis, Sactown and Clippers pick are all involved along with Tatum and maybe Smart (because of his salary.)

Then we roll into 2019-2020 with a duo of Kyrie/Davis. Two starts in their prime that could win us multiple titles.

I can see why the Knicks are a possibility, but honestly if they get Anthony Davis, who are they going to pair him up with? Kevin Knox? That's a worse team than the one he's on now.

If I am looking to trade an all-star for the best package, I'd rather take Tatum and 3 first rounders over Porzingis and whoever the Knicks pick ends up being.

they will have the money to sign any free agent who wants to play with him.  and we've gone over this ad nauseam at this point.

Also, the Sixers can enter the race with Ben Simmons as the centerpiece.

And whoever gets the number 1 pick is a player as well.  If thats the Knicks, I'd rather take Porzingis, Zion, and picks and whatever filler the Knicks are going to offer than Tatum and three first rounder. 

I can't emphasize this enough, this is not a two team race.

[Who]

I agree with this.  Not enough is being made of the fact the Knicks might have the #1 pick to offer.

Even if the Knicks get the #2 pick RJ Barrett and Porzingas is a pretty enticing offer.

I'd trade Tatum for RJ Barrett. I think RJ is sensational.

[gpap]

If the Pelicans hold off until the summer (which I think they will) then Mannix is right.

The Celts chances of getting the Brow increase exponentially.

I can only assume the Memphis, Sactown and Clippers pick are all involved along with Tatum and maybe Smart (because of his salary.)

Then we roll into 2019-2020 with a duo of Kyrie/Davis. Two starts in their prime that could win us multiple titles.

I can see why the Knicks are a possibility, but honestly if they get Anthony Davis, who are they going to pair him up with? Kevin Knox? That's a worse team than the one he's on now.

If I am looking to trade an all-star for the best package, I'd rather take Tatum and 3 first rounders over Porzingis and whoever the Knicks pick ends up being.

they will have the money to sign any free agent who wants to play with him.  and we've gone over this ad nauseam at this point.

Also, the Sixers can enter the race with Ben Simmons as the centerpiece.

And whoever gets the number 1 pick is a player as well.  If thats the Knicks, I'd rather take Porzingis, Zion, and picks and whatever filler the Knicks are going to offer than Tatum and three first rounder. 

I can't emphasize this enough, this is not a two team race.

Why would a free agent like Durant or Kyrie want to play in New York? What's the starting line up going to look like?

PG-?
SG-?
SF-?
PF-?
C-Anthony Davis

Insert the rest of the starting lineup for me and explain how the team is going to compete with the Celtics, Milwaukee and Indiana (I left out Toronto, assuming Leonard goes to the Clippers)

And then if they win the East, explain how that team competes with Golden State.

[Roy H.]

“90%” is meaningless, but I do think we have a decent shot.

The thing that worries me is that last time Demps had a disgruntled superstar he dealt him to the Lakers for a poor return before having that deal vetoed.

[gouki88]

If the Pelicans hold off until the summer (which I think they will) then Mannix is right.

The Celts chances of getting the Brow increase exponentially.

I can only assume the Memphis, Sactown and Clippers pick are all involved along with Tatum and maybe Smart (because of his salary.)

Then we roll into 2019-2020 with a duo of Kyrie/Davis. Two starts in their prime that could win us multiple titles.

I can see why the Knicks are a possibility, but honestly if they get Anthony Davis, who are they going to pair him up with? Kevin Knox? That's a worse team than the one he's on now.

If I am looking to trade an all-star for the best package, I'd rather take Tatum and 3 first rounders over Porzingis and whoever the Knicks pick ends up being.

they will have the money to sign any free agent who wants to play with him.  and we've gone over this ad nauseam at this point.

Also, the Sixers can enter the race with Ben Simmons as the centerpiece.

And whoever gets the number 1 pick is a player as well.  If thats the Knicks, I'd rather take Porzingis, Zion, and picks and whatever filler the Knicks are going to offer than Tatum and three first rounder. 

I can't emphasize this enough, this is not a two team race.

Why would a free agent like Durant or Kyrie want to play in New York? What's the starting line up going to look like?

PG-?
SG-?
SF-?
PF-?
C-Anthony Davis

Insert the rest of the starting lineup for me and explain how the team is going to compete with the Celtics, Milwaukee and Indiana (I left out Toronto, assuming Leonard goes to the Clippers)

And then if they win the East, explain how that team competes with Golden State.

If (this is the biggest if I've used on this forum) they signed Kyrie and KD, which I'm not even sure is possible considering their cap situation, they'd probably end up like.

Kyrie
Hardaway Jr (not even sure he could fit if they signed Kyrie and KD, so ??)
KD
Vonleh
AD

Or if they keep Kanter start him at the 5 and move AD to the 4. With a bench of Trier, Hezonja, Mitchell Robinson, Vonleh/Kanter and maybe Burke they could be a huge threat. However, the likelihood of all this occurring sits at about 0.05% for me.

[jbpats]

why would the knicks give up the #1 to get Davis. They'd still be a lottery team with him.
I guess the thought process is they then get Durant or Kyrie to follow.. but if Davis won't resign with the Celtics I dont see any chance he resigns with Dolan's Dumpster Fire.

I think the Knicks should keep the #1 and do a proper rebuild.

[JBcat]

If the Pelicans hold off until the summer (which I think they will) then Mannix is right.

The Celts chances of getting the Brow increase exponentially.

I can only assume the Memphis, Sactown and Clippers pick are all involved along with Tatum and maybe Smart (because of his salary.)

Then we roll into 2019-2020 with a duo of Kyrie/Davis. Two starts in their prime that could win us multiple titles.

I can see why the Knicks are a possibility, but honestly if they get Anthony Davis, who are they going to pair him up with? Kevin Knox? That's a worse team than the one he's on now.

If I am looking to trade an all-star for the best package, I'd rather take Tatum and 3 first rounders over Porzingis and whoever the Knicks pick ends up being.

they will have the money to sign any free agent who wants to play with him.  and we've gone over this ad nauseam at this point.

Also, the Sixers can enter the race with Ben Simmons as the centerpiece.

And whoever gets the number 1 pick is a player as well.  If thats the Knicks, I'd rather take Porzingis, Zion, and picks and whatever filler the Knicks are going to offer than Tatum and three first rounder. 

I can't emphasize this enough, this is not a two team race.

Why would a free agent like Durant or Kyrie want to play in New York? What's the starting line up going to look like?

PG-?
SG-?
SF-?
PF-?
C-Anthony Davis

Insert the rest of the starting lineup for me and explain how the team is going to compete with the Celtics, Milwaukee and Indiana (I left out Toronto, assuming Leonard goes to the Clippers)

And then if they win the East, explain how that team competes with Golden State.

PG let’s say Kemba Walker
SG still have Hardaway who is having a very good year.
SF Knox
PF MLE player
C Davis

I used Kemba Walker as the max guy, but it could be a few different players Butler, Leanord, Durant, and Irving.  It’s a good starting point.

[jambr380]

“90%” is meaningless, but I do think we have a decent shot.

The thing that worries me is that last time Demps had a disgruntled superstar he dealt him to the Lakers for a poor return before having that deal vetoed.

What's funny is that the the original deal was at least about on par with the vetoed deal.

Final deal: Eric Gordon, Al Farouq-Aminu, Chris Kaman (expiring), Austin Rivers
Initial deal: Goran Dragic, Kevin Martin, Lamar Odom, Luis Scola

The final deal had the better overall package, but Dragic is the best of the bunch. No matter what, I am very glad LAL didn't get Chris Paul for (at the time) a very questionable package. The same thing had already happened with Pau Gasol when Marc Gasol was nothing more than the #48 pick.

[gpap]

If the Pelicans hold off until the summer (which I think they will) then Mannix is right.

The Celts chances of getting the Brow increase exponentially.

I can only assume the Memphis, Sactown and Clippers pick are all involved along with Tatum and maybe Smart (because of his salary.)

Then we roll into 2019-2020 with a duo of Kyrie/Davis. Two starts in their prime that could win us multiple titles.

I can see why the Knicks are a possibility, but honestly if they get Anthony Davis, who are they going to pair him up with? Kevin Knox? That's a worse team than the one he's on now.

If I am looking to trade an all-star for the best package, I'd rather take Tatum and 3 first rounders over Porzingis and whoever the Knicks pick ends up being.

they will have the money to sign any free agent who wants to play with him.  and we've gone over this ad nauseam at this point.

Also, the Sixers can enter the race with Ben Simmons as the centerpiece.

And whoever gets the number 1 pick is a player as well.  If thats the Knicks, I'd rather take Porzingis, Zion, and picks and whatever filler the Knicks are going to offer than Tatum and three first rounder. 

I can't emphasize this enough, this is not a two team race.

Why would a free agent like Durant or Kyrie want to play in New York? What's the starting line up going to look like?

PG-?
SG-?
SF-?
PF-?
C-Anthony Davis

Insert the rest of the starting lineup for me and explain how the team is going to compete with the Celtics, Milwaukee and Indiana (I left out Toronto, assuming Leonard goes to the Clippers)

And then if they win the East, explain how that team competes with Golden State.

If (this is the biggest if I've used on this forum) they signed Kyrie and KD, which I'm not even sure is possible considering their cap situation, they'd probably end up like.

Kyrie
Hardaway Jr (not even sure he could fit if they signed Kyrie and KD, so ??)
KD
Vonleh
AD

Or if they keep Kanter start him at the 5 and move AD to the 4. With a bench of Trier, Hezonja, Mitchell Robinson, Vonleh/Kanter and maybe Burke they could be a huge threat. However, the likelihood of all this occurring sits at about 0.05% for me.

Brian Windhorst was talking about this with Woj on ESPN's The Jump and he mentioned that the Knicks still have ways to go to clear space for even one max guy.

They'll still have Hardaway Jr., and Courtney Lee's contract on the books which will make things difficult. They also have quite a few other players under contract (Ntilikina, Knox, Robinson and Dobson)

So, I don't even know if they'll have enough money for one max guy.

[gouki88]

If the Pelicans hold off until the summer (which I think they will) then Mannix is right.

The Celts chances of getting the Brow increase exponentially.

I can only assume the Memphis, Sactown and Clippers pick are all involved along with Tatum and maybe Smart (because of his salary.)

Then we roll into 2019-2020 with a duo of Kyrie/Davis. Two starts in their prime that could win us multiple titles.

I can see why the Knicks are a possibility, but honestly if they get Anthony Davis, who are they going to pair him up with? Kevin Knox? That's a worse team than the one he's on now.

If I am looking to trade an all-star for the best package, I'd rather take Tatum and 3 first rounders over Porzingis and whoever the Knicks pick ends up being.

they will have the money to sign any free agent who wants to play with him.  and we've gone over this ad nauseam at this point.

Also, the Sixers can enter the race with Ben Simmons as the centerpiece.

And whoever gets the number 1 pick is a player as well.  If thats the Knicks, I'd rather take Porzingis, Zion, and picks and whatever filler the Knicks are going to offer than Tatum and three first rounder. 

I can't emphasize this enough, this is not a two team race.

Why would a free agent like Durant or Kyrie want to play in New York? What's the starting line up going to look like?

PG-?
SG-?
SF-?
PF-?
C-Anthony Davis

Insert the rest of the starting lineup for me and explain how the team is going to compete with the Celtics, Milwaukee and Indiana (I left out Toronto, assuming Leonard goes to the Clippers)

And then if they win the East, explain how that team competes with Golden State.

If (this is the biggest if I've used on this forum) they signed Kyrie and KD, which I'm not even sure is possible considering their cap situation, they'd probably end up like.

Kyrie
Hardaway Jr (not even sure he could fit if they signed Kyrie and KD, so ??)
KD
Vonleh
AD

Or if they keep Kanter start him at the 5 and move AD to the 4. With a bench of Trier, Hezonja, Mitchell Robinson, Vonleh/Kanter and maybe Burke they could be a huge threat. However, the likelihood of all this occurring sits at about 0.05% for me.

Brian Windhorst was talking about this with Woj on ESPN's The Jump and he mentioned that the Knicks still have ways to go to clear space for even one max guy.

They'll still have Hardaway Jr., and Courtney Lee's contract on the books which will make things difficult. They also have quite a few other players under contract (Ntilikina, Knox, Robinson and Dobson)

So, I don't even know if they'll have enough money for one max guy.

Ahh, knew I was forgetting something, and it was Courtney Lee.

Yeah, the Knicks really have no shot at FA's this offseason IMO.