Gordon Hayward Substraction by Addition

[KungPoweChicken]

The team would likely be better. Hayward is awful. I'm not sure why Celtics fans were predicting All NBA/All Star status from a guy who had one all-star appearance in his career. I would give two future first round picks to dump him. Easy decision.

Good thing you're not the GM.

Yep! I especially love how he glosses over 3 years of roughly 20/5/4 production

On an awful Utah team that made that made the playoffs once during that run. Lots of players put up decent numbers on bad teams. What's your point?

[Silky]

The team would likely be better. Hayward is awful. I'm not sure why Celtics fans were predicting All NBA/All Star status from a guy who had one all-star appearance in his career. I would give two future first round picks to dump him. Easy decision.

Good thing you're not the GM.

Yep! I especially love how he glosses over 3 years of roughly 20/5/4 production

Corey magette did that.

Wouldnt want to sign him today.

Past is past, will gordon get there again? Doesnt look good 16 months later.

Cant shoot
Timid
Looks lost alot.

Not good traits that really isnt impacted by ankle iaaues

[KungPoweChicken]

The team would likely be better. Hayward is awful. I'm not sure why Celtics fans were predicting All NBA/All Star status from a guy who had one all-star appearance in his career. I would give two future first round picks to dump him. Easy decision.

Good thing you're not the GM.

Yep! I especially love how he glosses over 3 years of roughly 20/5/4 production

Many bad players have put up numbers on bad teams.

[10610786d]

Here’s a better idea. Just have a tough conversation with Hayward about reducing minutes for the time being and go from there.

Seriously, what’s the point of dumping like 3 picks along with a 70-80% Hayward for Millsap?? If injuries mount elsewhere you’re still going to need Hayward.

Face it. He’s still here. And he will remain here.

Who's gonna take Hayward's minutes?

He hasn't been scoring but he has been playing decent defense and running the offense well.

We need a second unit playmaker for the playoffs. A healthier Hayward who has been getting consistent minutes will provide that.

Yep, exactly.

If he’s struggling and it’s evident then you can reduce his minutes for said game. Otherwise he can still make an impact.

People act like Rozier and Brown have been lighting it up themselves when they haven’t either. They’ve been solid but inconsistent as well.

NBA players are animals of routine, for meaningless (i.e. basically all) regular season games, Hayward has to get 25 minutes a game, so he'll gradually get used to this role.

There'll be ups and downs. But as PhoSita noted, aside from shooting percentages, Hayward has been playmaking and rebounding well this season (better than previous seasons even).

Edit: creatures of habit not animals of routine...!

[keevsnick]

Is there any doubt we would be better off without him?

I think there is, yeah.

Just removing Hayward in a vaccum we probably arent better, but he does absoluetly kill us some nights. I don't even really blame him, his leg snapped in half and thats gonna take a while to  come back from. I wouldn't trade him, because I don't think you could without giving up assets to move him. But also because I think with a full offseason he will come back next year much closer to what he was in Utah. For this seaosn however he needs his role reduced, he is a good passer but it deosnt help that uch if he can't penetrate the paint, and is scared to shoot. Honestly give more play making to Brown and Tatum, or trade Rozier for a better initiator.

[gouki88]

The team would likely be better. Hayward is awful. I'm not sure why Celtics fans were predicting All NBA/All Star status from a guy who had one all-star appearance in his career. I would give two future first round picks to dump him. Easy decision.

Good thing you're not the GM.

Yep! I especially love how he glosses over 3 years of roughly 20/5/4 production

On an awful Utah team that made that made the playoffs once during that run. Lots of players put up decent numbers on bad teams. What's your point?

Hard to lead a team to the playoffs when your next best player is one of Favors/Hood/Burks.

Ya know he's still playing against NBA competition, right

[10610786d]

The team would likely be better. Hayward is awful. I'm not sure why Celtics fans were predicting All NBA/All Star status from a guy who had one all-star appearance in his career. I would give two future first round picks to dump him. Easy decision.

Good thing you're not the GM.

Yep! I especially love how he glosses over 3 years of roughly 20/5/4 production

Many bad players have put up numbers on bad teams.

Yes. But those Utah teams made the playoffs and were on the upper echelon of the strong Western Conference.

[RJ87]

The team would likely be better. Hayward is awful. I'm not sure why Celtics fans were predicting All NBA/All Star status from a guy who had one all-star appearance in his career. I would give two future first round picks to dump him. Easy decision.

Good thing you're not the GM.

Why is Hayward worth keeping?

I didn't say he's untradeable. Danny Ainge would trade anyone at any time. We all know that. I just it's dumb to give up 2 first round picks to move him. That's how teams become the Knicks.

Even so, Gordon has shown the type of player he can be. Right now, it's not going well but it's shortsighted to assume with absolute certainty that he can't return to his prior level of play.

[KungPoweChicken]

The team would likely be better. Hayward is awful. I'm not sure why Celtics fans were predicting All NBA/All Star status from a guy who had one all-star appearance in his career. I would give two future first round picks to dump him. Easy decision.

Good thing you're not the GM.

Yep! I especially love how he glosses over 3 years of roughly 20/5/4 production

Many bad players have put up numbers on bad teams.

Yes. But those Utah teams made the playoffs and were on the upper echelon of the strong Western Conference.

No. In that three year stretch of Hayward putting up "20/5/5" Utah made the playoffs once.

[gouki88]

The team would likely be better. Hayward is awful. I'm not sure why Celtics fans were predicting All NBA/All Star status from a guy who had one all-star appearance in his career. I would give two future first round picks to dump him. Easy decision.

Good thing you're not the GM.

Yep! I especially love how he glosses over 3 years of roughly 20/5/4 production

Many bad players have put up numbers on bad teams.

LOL. How many 'bad' players have put up 20/5/4 over a 229 game span, including averaging 25/4/4 against the eventual champions?

[KungPoweChicken]

The team would likely be better. Hayward is awful. I'm not sure why Celtics fans were predicting All NBA/All Star status from a guy who had one all-star appearance in his career. I would give two future first round picks to dump him. Easy decision.

Good thing you're not the GM.

Yep! I especially love how he glosses over 3 years of roughly 20/5/4 production

Do I need to list all the scrub NBA players who have put up 20ppg? What do these numbers prove?

[GreenWarrior]

as soon as hayward steps on the court this team sucks. he needs to get out of his head, right now he's making Olynyk look like an upgrade.

[KungPoweChicken]

The team would likely be better. Hayward is awful. I'm not sure why Celtics fans were predicting All NBA/All Star status from a guy who had one all-star appearance in his career. I would give two future first round picks to dump him. Easy decision.

Good thing you're not the GM.

Yep! I especially love how he glosses over 3 years of roughly 20/5/4 production

Many bad players have put up numbers on bad teams.

LOL. How many 'bad' players have put up 20/5/4 over a 229 game span, including averaging 25/4/4 against the eventual champions?

Corey Maggette 2007 to 2010.

[gouki88]

The team would likely be better. Hayward is awful. I'm not sure why Celtics fans were predicting All NBA/All Star status from a guy who had one all-star appearance in his career. I would give two future first round picks to dump him. Easy decision.

Good thing you're not the GM.

Yep! I especially love how he glosses over 3 years of roughly 20/5/4 production

Do I need to list all the scrub NBA players who have put up 20ppg? What do these numbers prove?

Far out. It's pretty hard to do it consistently over 3 years when teams know that you're the only offensive weapon a team has.

You're trying to dismiss it as some fluke, but he did it over 240 games (including playoffs). Your take makes no sense

[Roy H.]

Is there any doubt we would be better off without him?

I think there is, yeah.

Just removing Hayward in a vaccum we probably arent better, but he does absoluetly kill us some nights. I don't even really blame him, his leg snapped in half and thats gonna take a while to  come back from. I wouldn't trade him, because I don't think you could without giving up assets to move him. But also because I think with a full offseason he will come back next year much closer to what he was in Utah. For this seaosn however he needs his role reduced, he is a good passer but it deosnt help that uch if he can't penetrate the paint, and is scared to shoot. Honestly give more play making to Brown and Tatum, or trade Rozier for a better initiator.

I've said this before, but this year he's been almost identical to Evan Turner his last year in Boston.

Stats

That's not an all-star player, but it's a useful player on a Stevens' team.