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It's the Summer of 2019 (or sometime in the future, like 2020 Trade Deadline). AD rejects the supermax deal, and wants out. Pelicans taking offers for AD but they 100% want Tatum from the Celtics in the deal. Would you (Ainge) still do it?

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I wouldn't include Tatum in the deal unless I was 100% certain Davis was re-signing in Boston long term.

If you get 3+ years of Davis guaranteed alongside Kyrie, then it's worth it, although still hard to swallow.


If you're trading Tatum for only a year or two of Davis with no certainty he'll stick around longer, no thanks.  The league is still too stacked at the top to be sure that Kyrie - Davis is going to result in a championship if all you get is a year or two.


Based on Lowe's reporting it sounds like Davis is thinking of doing what LeBron did in Cleveland and what Durant has done in Oakland.  Just sign a bunch of one year deals and keep the team that signs you eager to keep you happy.  I would not trade Tatum for the "privilege" of worrying about whether Davis is gonna resign every year for half a decade.
I didn't read it that way, I read it more like he was going to sign 1 year deals at maximum value until he could cash in with a 5 year full max at 35%.  In other words, make up for missing out on the super max by maximizing his value until he can sign for that 35% anyway.
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Offline Vox_Populi

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Tatum will never be as good as Davis. Easy decision provided the rest of the package isn't absurd.

I trust Ainge not to get robbed.

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Tatum trade might be the only way it gets done , unless AD is really comitted to going to Boston.  other wise Lebron will pay more and LA hollywood and so forth TV  will just ad up to more money for the guy.
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I wouldn't include Tatum in the deal unless I was 100% certain Davis was re-signing in Boston long term.

If you get 3+ years of Davis guaranteed alongside Kyrie, then it's worth it, although still hard to swallow.


If you're trading Tatum for only a year or two of Davis with no certainty he'll stick around longer, no thanks.  The league is still too stacked at the top to be sure that Kyrie - Davis is going to result in a championship if all you get is a year or two.


Based on Lowe's reporting it sounds like Davis is thinking of doing what LeBron did in Cleveland and what Durant has done in Oakland.  Just sign a bunch of one year deals and keep the team that signs you eager to keep you happy.  I would not trade Tatum for the "privilege" of worrying about whether Davis is gonna resign every year for half a decade.
I didn't read it that way, I read it more like he was going to sign 1 year deals at maximum value until he could cash in with a 5 year full max at 35%.  In other words, make up for missing out on the super max by maximizing his value until he can sign for that 35% anyway.


You're right, that's the financial aspect of that plan.

But the practical effect ,whether Davis intends it or not, is that the team that he's on will be uncertain about whether he plans to re-sign and will feel pressured to keep making win-now moves to keep him happy, just as the Cavs did (twice) with LeBron.  It will also mean that "What will Davis do in FA?" will be a perpetual question, as it has been with Durant.
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I made a post about this similar topic on Reddit.

Needless to say, I got downvoted and flamed to oblivion lol, also there's this one gem:

"Celtics strong are a bunch of grumpy old men who focus more on being grumpy then right. Why do you post over there?"

https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/aa21j5/would_you_include_tatum_in_a_trade_if_it_meant/
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Something folks seem to forget is that AD is essentially a rental in 2020. Has a player option he'll likely decline for 2021. So you'd have to be very sure he'd be willing to stay long term here. Very risky to just gamble on given his high trade price.

Based on Lowe's reporting it sounds like Davis is thinking of doing what LeBron did in Cleveland and what Durant has done in Oakland. Just sign a bunch of one year deals and keep the team that signs you eager to keep you happy. I would not trade Tatum for the "privilege" of worrying about whether Davis is gonna resign every year for half a decade.

wow, interesting


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You absolutely have to include Tatum if it is what gets the deal done; Celtic fans exaggerate Tatum's value. He is going to be a solid player, but will never get in the AD level of perennial All Pro. If we do not offer Tatum, Lakers will most assuredly provide the better offer, because they will give up whomever Lebron lets them.

Then let them offer Ingram, Kuzma and 1 of Ball/Hart. Fine by me. And yes that's what it will take unless there's potential lottery picks I'm missing that the Lakers could also offer.

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I made a post about this similar topic on Reddit.

Needless to say, I got downvoted and flamed to oblivion lol, also there's this one gem:

"Celtics strong are a bunch of grumpy old men who focus more on being grumpy then right. Why do you post over there?"

https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/aa21j5/would_you_include_tatum_in_a_trade_if_it_meant/


"Downvoted and flamed into oblivion" is a fairly succinct explanation of why I don't like to engage in "discussions" on reddit and prefer a messageboard setup like CB.
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I made a post about this similar topic on Reddit.

Needless to say, I got downvoted and flamed to oblivion lol, also there's this one gem:

"Celtics strong are a bunch of grumpy old men who focus more on being grumpy then right. Why do you post over there?"

https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/aa21j5/would_you_include_tatum_in_a_trade_if_it_meant/


"Downvoted and flamed into oblivion" is a fairly succinct explanation of why I don't like to engage in "discussions" on reddit and prefer a messageboard setup like CB.

There is this recent Reddit post I came across:

https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/a7e3gc/things_celtics_fans_say_when_discussing_tatum_in/

 :P

Of course there was "controversy" in the comment section as well
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I made a post about this similar topic on Reddit.

Needless to say, I got downvoted and flamed to oblivion lol, also there's this one gem:

"Celtics strong are a bunch of grumpy old men who focus more on being grumpy then right. Why do you post over there?"

https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/aa21j5/would_you_include_tatum_in_a_trade_if_it_meant/


"Downvoted and flamed into oblivion" is a fairly succinct explanation of why I don't like to engage in "discussions" on reddit and prefer a messageboard setup like CB.

There is this recent Reddit post I came across:

https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/a7e3gc/things_celtics_fans_say_when_discussing_tatum_in/

 :P

Of course there was "controversy" in the comment section as well

It's amazing people in that thread seriously believe Jaylen Brown, 3 potential late lottery picks, and Hayward or Horford gets it done.

As if they seriously know what assets the Pelicans are looking for.
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I made a post about this similar topic on Reddit.

Needless to say, I got downvoted and flamed to oblivion lol, also there's this one gem:

"Celtics strong are a bunch of grumpy old men who focus more on being grumpy then right. Why do you post over there?"

https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/aa21j5/would_you_include_tatum_in_a_trade_if_it_meant/

Fair.
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I made a post about this similar topic on Reddit.

Needless to say, I got downvoted and flamed to oblivion lol, also there's this one gem:

"Celtics strong are a bunch of grumpy old men who focus more on being grumpy then right. Why do you post over there?"

https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/aa21j5/would_you_include_tatum_in_a_trade_if_it_meant/

Fair.

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I made a post about this similar topic on Reddit.

Needless to say, I got downvoted and flamed to oblivion lol, also there's this one gem:

"Celtics strong are a bunch of grumpy old men who focus more on being grumpy then right. Why do you post over there?"

https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/aa21j5/would_you_include_tatum_in_a_trade_if_it_meant/

Fair.

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I made a post about this similar topic on Reddit.

Needless to say, I got downvoted and flamed to oblivion lol, also there's this one gem:

"Celtics strong are a bunch of grumpy old men who focus more on being grumpy then right. Why do you post over there?"

https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/aa21j5/would_you_include_tatum_in_a_trade_if_it_meant/

Fair.

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I made a post about this similar topic on Reddit.

Needless to say, I got downvoted and flamed to oblivion lol, also there's this one gem:

"Celtics strong are a bunch of grumpy old men who focus more on being grumpy then right. Why do you post over there?"

https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/aa21j5/would_you_include_tatum_in_a_trade_if_it_meant/

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That does make me laugh LOL
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