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Re: The Reasons Ainge Reached For JB
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2018, 01:07:29 PM »

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The reason Ainge reached for JB -- you can never have enough wings with the size and physical attributes to defend 1-4, hit open threes, and attack the rim.

It's possible to find quality guards and bigs later in the draft, but it's really hard to find good, versatile two-way wings.



 Agreed. Does that make it the right move though?  No IMO.


I would have preferred Jamal Murray (maybe Dragan Bender) but there's an argument to be made for Jaylen, even with his current struggles.
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Re: The Reasons Ainge Reached For JB
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2018, 01:37:26 PM »

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I liked the Brown pick when it was made.

I liked it last year and I still like it now.

I believe Jaylen will make an all-star game or two before it's all said and done.

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« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2018, 02:07:04 PM »

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Jaylen Brown might just be one of those guys who looked better when Brad Stevens coached him than when his current coach does. ???  ;)

Re: The Reasons Ainge Reached For JB
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2018, 02:41:46 PM »

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I was pretty adamant that Simmons/Ingram/Brown were gonna be the top 3 prospects in the draft, and was happy when Danny took Brown.  Of course this was thinking that Jaylen was going to play at SF, not SG where he isn't as well suited, and not knowing that Tatum and Hayward were going become part of the picture later on.

At the end of the day, Murray is a chucker who isn't particularly great at 3's while Hield sucked until this year and is significantly older than most of his draft class.  Dragon Bender and Chriss are busts, and Dunn has been unspectacular.  I don't think Danny reached for Jaylen and while Murray or Hield may fit the current roster better they aren't necessarily better players than Brown.

Re: The Reasons Ainge Reached For JB
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2018, 02:42:31 PM »

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 Luigi Datome, Gerald Wallace, Tayshaun Prince, Evan Turner, Jeff Green, Crowder, Coty Clarke, John Holland, Chris Babb, Chris Johnson.

 Those are the SFs A.P. After Pierce. It was a long miserable struggle to find the 6'6" athletic, strong, cover anyone type of athlete that Pierce was and Jaylen is. With that Said Jaylen is an important player on nearly any roster. Hes an asset.

 Hield was the best player at the time of the draft and Buddy is a perfect fit for today's game. He's a lights out shooter and solid defender with length.

 Jamal Murray was the best long term prospect by a considerable margain. Period. He drafted out of need instead of taking the best player on the board.

 He didn't know we were getting Tatum and Hayward, if he did. Rest assured he would have went in a different direction.

So what exactly is your point? Ainge didn't reach for Brown, Brown was always projected to go in the 3-8 range of the draft right in that same group with Murray, Heild, Bender and Chris. Chris  and Bender are borderline NBA players right now and may be out of the league next year. Murray for  all the love he gets on this site has been only marginally better than brown offensively and is mediocre defensively on his best days. Heild is 26 years old. Brown has struggled this year, but he  was still the right pick.



 You can't say he was the right pick. That's TBD. He drafted the Raw project wing. Over Two guards that we're far more developed. One much older. The other had a historic season at Kentucky.


Umm... no, that's incorrect.  You CAN definitely say whether he was the "right pick" because the pick is right or wrong based on the information at the time.   

Whether the player will prove to be the best NBA player of the various (reasonable) options (or not) is what is "TBD".

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« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2018, 02:54:23 PM »

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 Luigi Datome, Gerald Wallace, Tayshaun Prince, Evan Turner, Jeff Green, Crowder, Coty Clarke, John Holland, Chris Babb, Chris Johnson.

 Those are the SFs A.P. After Pierce. It was a long miserable struggle to find the 6'6" athletic, strong, cover anyone type of athlete that Pierce was and Jaylen is. With that Said Jaylen is an important player on nearly any roster. Hes an asset.

 Hield was the best player at the time of the draft and Buddy is a perfect fit for today's game. He's a lights out shooter and solid defender with length.

 Jamal Murray was the best long term prospect by a considerable margain. Period. He drafted out of need instead of taking the best player on the board.

 He didn't know we were getting Tatum and Hayward, if he did. Rest assured he would have went in a different direction.

So what exactly is your point? Ainge didn't reach for Brown, Brown was always projected to go in the 3-8 range of the draft right in that same group with Murray, Heild, Bender and Chris. Chris  and Bender are borderline NBA players right now and may be out of the league next year. Murray for  all the love he gets on this site has been only marginally better than brown offensively and is mediocre defensively on his best days. Heild is 26 years old. Brown has struggled this year, but he  was still the right pick.



 You can't say he was the right pick. That's TBD. He drafted the Raw project wing. Over Two guards that we're far more developed. One much older. The other had a historic season at Kentucky.


Umm... no, that's incorrect.  You CAN definitely say whether he was the "right pick" because the pick is right or wrong based on the information at the time.   

Whether the player will prove to be the best NBA player of the various (reasonable) options (or not) is what is "TBD".

I mean, you can never really judge a pick based on this criteria because we never really know all the information that the GM had at the time.


I think the best way to look at it is to try to figure out what the reasons were in favor or against taking a player at the time, and then several years in the future you can look at whether the team has gotten out of the pick what they expected to get out of it based on those pros and cons.

If a player turns out to be a star, but the team drafting that player had no way of reasonably expecting that the player would turn out to have the skills or talent level to become a star, it seems like a lot of luck is involved. (Marc Gasol ... Nikola Jokic ... etc)

Whereas if you draft a guy based on perceived high talent level, while knowing that he's got some red flags with his knees, if that player ends up being a bust because of ongoing knee problems, it's fair to say that the pick didn't pan out.  (Greg Oden)

But, even with that last example, if you used a late 1st round draft pick on that player, perhaps the risk / reward was reasonable.  You're going to have some misses even if you always make the "right" choice. (Jared Sullinger)


I don't know.  It's hard to say exactly how we should judge if a pick was "good" or not. 

We can say with some confidence whether a team has gotten the value out of a player that one would expect from a pick at a given point in the draft, but grading the GM's decisionmaking is a lot murkier.
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Re: The Reasons Ainge Reached For JB
« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2018, 02:58:43 PM »

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I guess maybe Danny should have just traded JB when his stock was high..like say maybe for the right to nab Doncic plus the sacramento pick.

maybe then, alot of Cs fans would say it would be an overpay for an unproven commodity coming out of Europe....But fast forward to today and we find Doncic as a rare talent as LB himself and well JB has become the clone of the great Jeff Green himself...and the Sac pick, well its crap right now in the low teens but last summer, it was projected as a top 5 pick.

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« Reply #22 on: December 26, 2018, 03:06:01 PM »

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I was in the Murray camp. Murray was the safest pick IMO based on his production and age. Brown had the physical tools, a great workout, and impressive interviews so he earned his selection over Murray that's the simple truth. I'm not going to say Brown is as good as Murray but he isn't to far behind and can still end up better. Both guys still have a long career ahead. Brown still shows good upside

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« Reply #23 on: December 26, 2018, 03:09:14 PM »

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Without Brown we would have been knocked out in the first round against Milwaukee last season. He's a very important player and I'm certainly not giving up on him.

I have no faith left in Rozier though. He needs too many touches to be effective and then he's still too inefficient.

To me Brown is still a top 5 wing prospect in the league.

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« Reply #24 on: December 26, 2018, 03:52:23 PM »

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I guess maybe Danny should have just traded JB when his stock was high..like say maybe for the right to nab Doncic plus the sacramento pick.

maybe then, alot of Cs fans would say it would be an overpay for an unproven commodity coming out of Europe....But fast forward to today and we find Doncic as a rare talent as LB himself and well JB has become the clone of the great Jeff Green himself...and the Sac pick, well its crap right now in the low teens but last summer, it was projected as a top 5 pick.

Donnic being as good as Larry Bird has yet to be determined. Just like Brown being a clone of Jeff Green.

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« Reply #25 on: December 26, 2018, 04:09:16 PM »

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I guess maybe Danny should have just traded JB when his stock was high..like say maybe for the right to nab Doncic plus the sacramento pick.

maybe then, alot of Cs fans would say it would be an overpay for an unproven commodity coming out of Europe....But fast forward to today and we find Doncic as a rare talent as LB himself and well JB has become the clone of the great Jeff Green himself...and the Sac pick, well its crap right now in the low teens but last summer, it was projected as a top 5 pick.

Donnic being as good as Larry Bird has yet to be determined. Just like Brown being a clone of Jeff Green.
Can't stand these lazy comparisons of Brown to Green. Can't stand the ridiculous claim that Brown has a low BBIQ. Can't stand the calls to trade Jaylen. Also can't stand the hypocracy of many who are wailing over Brown's season but had not a bad word to say about him when he led them to a game 7 of the ECFs last year.

The 22 year old kid is having a bad stretch. You don't give up on him based on a bad 30 game stretch when he showed just how good he is all of last year and through the playoffs.

I have seen posters on this board ready to give up on Brown now who constantly defended players like James Young, Jordan Mickey, R. J. Hunter, Semi Ojeleye and Guerschon Yabusele after meh to poor first years or first two years. They claimed we had to see what those players had and needed to be patient.

But then they have no patience with a poor 30 game stretch from Brown. Totally ridiculous.

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« Reply #26 on: December 26, 2018, 04:15:27 PM »

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I've got patience for Jaylen -- I like him a lot.  As a cerebral introvert myself (not trying to sound conceited), I want to see guys like that succeed, especially in an industry dominated by expressive extroverts.

I am quite mystified by just how bad he's been this year, though.
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« Reply #27 on: December 26, 2018, 05:24:24 PM »

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So we have JB today who nobody disagrees is not very good
We have also the JB from last season's playoffs who again nobody disagrees was an excellent 21yo player.


How can anyone detect which one is the real JB?

Since its the playoffs when the tough gets going and JB really got it going shouldn't we be a bit more patient with him? I don't remember anyone last spring talking about Murray or (for gods shake) bender.

I wouldn't mind trading him a bit but let's be fair to the kid.

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« Reply #28 on: December 26, 2018, 05:33:13 PM »

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So we have JB today who nobody disagrees is not very good
We have also the JB from last season's playoffs who again nobody disagrees was an excellent 21yo player.


How can anyone detect which one is the real JB?

Since its the playoffs when the tough gets going and JB really got it going shouldn't we be a bit more patient with him? I don't remember anyone last spring talking about Murray or (for gods shake) bender.

I wouldn't mind trading him a bit but let's be fair to the kid.


They're both, collectively, the "real" JB.  The question I'd love to be able to answer is why JB's development has taken such a backward / downward turn between the playoffs and the first few months of this season.
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« Reply #29 on: December 26, 2018, 05:41:38 PM »

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So we have JB today who nobody disagrees is not very good
We have also the JB from last season's playoffs who again nobody disagrees was an excellent 21yo player.


How can anyone detect which one is the real JB?

Since its the playoffs when the tough gets going and JB really got it going shouldn't we be a bit more patient with him? I don't remember anyone last spring talking about Murray or (for gods shake) bender.

I wouldn't mind trading him a bit but let's be fair to the kid.


They're both, collectively, the "real" JB.  The question I'd love to be able to answer is why JB's development has taken such a backward / downward turn between the playoffs and the first few months of this season.


 I think his friends death and Jabari Birds Meltdown along with Jaylens mom's involvement has played a role.