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Re: Letís re-examine this team
« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2018, 02:54:26 PM »

Offline PhoSita

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That isn't true.  Plenty of players are good enough to be the best player on a champion, they just may not have an overall team that can compete with the Warriors

Way to miss my point (deliberately, I think).


I think Kyrie can absolutely be the focal point of a team that has a top 5 offense and a top 5 defense, let's put it that way. 

He's not gonna do the heavy lifting on defense and he can't do everything on offense, but that doesn't change the conclusion.

Top 5 on both ends puts you in contention in a league that doesn't have a four-headed titan living at the top of the mountain.


As the league stands right now, LeBron isn't good enough to beat the Warriors as the singular best player on his own team.  He'd probably need to team up with at least two other All-NBA talents to have a shot at beating them.


If the Warriors didn't exist, I'd be just fine with having Kyrie as my guy, even if I knew that I would need a very talented and deep team around him that excels on defense. 

Good thing is, the Celts have that deep, talented defensive team.
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Re: Letís re-examine this team
« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2018, 02:57:43 PM »

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That isn't true.  Plenty of players are good enough to be the best player on a champion, they just may not have an overall team that can compete with the Warriors

Way to miss my point (deliberately, I think).


I think Kyrie can absolutely be the focal point of a team that has a top 5 offense and a top 5 defense, let's put it that way. 

He's not gonna do the heavy lifting on defense and he can't do everything on offense, but that doesn't change the conclusion.

Top 5 on both ends puts you in contention in a league that doesn't have a four-headed titan living at the top of the mountain.


As the league stands right now, LeBron isn't good enough to beat the Warriors as the singular best player on his own team.  He'd probably need to team up with at least two other All-NBA talents to have a shot at beating them.


If the Warriors didn't exist, I'd be just fine with having Kyrie as my guy, even if I knew that I would need a very talented and deep team around him that excels on defense. 

Good thing is, the Celts have that deep, talented defensive team.
I didn't miss your point at all, I just disagree with your assessment of Irving.  I don't think he is that type of player.  I think he could be a very good #2, like he was in Cleveland, but I just don't think he is a #1 player.  You are free to disagree, which is fine.

Re: Letís re-examine this team
« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2018, 04:20:12 PM »

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Another hot take thread that aged poorly. 😉😋😁😎

It seems like calling posts ďhot takesĒ that express dissatisfaction w the start of the season is the real current hot take dad.

Why is this post a ďhot takeĒ?
Poster wants to go in depth w why the team is starting slow, wants to re-examine.

Small sentence at the end about changing the line-up, therefore this is a hot take? We should squash this thread then! Censorship!  ::)

Re: Letís re-examine this team
« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2018, 04:47:52 PM »

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Need a rim protector bad!!! and no inside game
C/PF-Horford, Baynes, Noel, Theis, Morris,
SF/SG- Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Smart, Semi, Clark
PG- Irving, Rozier, Larkin

Re: Letís re-examine this team
« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2018, 05:36:39 PM »

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Need a rim protector bad!!! and no inside game

That lack of inside game is by choice. Smart, Brown, Hayward, Tatum, Morris and Horford can all play from the post against mismatches.

Baynes, Theis and Williams are all (potentially) good rim protectors. You just need to give them minutes.




 

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Re: Letís re-examine this team
« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2018, 06:27:28 PM »

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Another hot take thread that aged poorly. 😉😋😁😎

It seems like calling posts ďhot takesĒ that express dissatisfaction w the start of the season is the real current hot take dad.

Why is this post a ďhot takeĒ?
Poster wants to go in depth w why the team is starting slow, wants to re-examine.

Small sentence at the end about changing the line-up, therefore this is a hot take? We should squash this thread then! Censorship!  ::)
My comment was more of a joke, hence the emojis. The thread was started in the middle of last night's game and was a direct negative  response made under the assumption the Celtics would lose because at the time they were playing poorly.

Then, like they did 6-8 times last year, they turned things around and won after being down 20+. Heck, the OP even joked by saying nevermind in a post after the win.


Re: Letís re-examine this team
« Reply #36 on: November 09, 2018, 06:37:31 PM »

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They're going to eventually need to establish a pecking order.  You can't have a democratic offense because no one gets into a rhythm.  So assuming that happens, can the third and fourth and fifth options play those roles well?  We know Horford can but what about brown and, eventually perhaps tatum?

I've said many times we would a better team if we could replace a guy or two with specialist that don't need the ball to be effective.  Not proposing a specific trade but a guy like Ariza for instance would do very well on this team.



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Re: Letís re-examine this team
« Reply #37 on: November 10, 2018, 01:48:22 AM »

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Need a rim protector bad!!! and no inside game

Start Baynes and play Williams.



Re: Letís re-examine this team
« Reply #38 on: November 10, 2018, 06:53:55 AM »

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I think it is as simple as we need to shoot better.   I don't know what our guys did this summer save Morris but it is clear that shooting practice may not have been it.

Re: Letís re-examine this team
« Reply #39 on: November 10, 2018, 07:42:19 AM »

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Need a rim protector bad!!! and no inside game

Start Baynes and play Williams.

I agree with this. Our perimeter D has been poor. I'm not sure what Lillard and McCollum will do to us. I also don't see any fire from Hayward. He seems unsure and tentative. I'm sure it will all come back but we need a few 20 pt games from him.

Re: Letís re-examine this team
« Reply #40 on: November 10, 2018, 10:46:58 AM »

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I do not think it is crazy to say that Celtics fans should be at least slightly worried about this team and this season.

From what I have seen thus far, they do not look like a Finals competitor at all.

Re: Letís re-examine this team
« Reply #41 on: November 10, 2018, 05:46:01 PM »

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I love how everyone's asking "what's wrong with this team?", dancing around the issue, searching for answers when we've had the answer for a few yrs. now. there's a pattern here.

ever since stevens got here there's been a consistent theme. shoot jump shots and just keep shooting them. his 1st season here the players would take pull up jump shots from just under the 3 pt line with 20 secs. on the shot clock, it was so bad at times I was wondering why we even dribbled the ball down the court when we inbounded the ball because it just seemed like a waste of time with the bad shot selection we had...(and continue to have).

all we need to do(and I've mentioned this many times before) is look how we've been eliminated from the playoffs under stevens. we go through a 2-3 min. stretch in an elimination game taking prayer shots from 3 that are usually contested, but even the wide open ones don't fall because of the bad habit of taking bad shots.

have we ever heard of the phrase "open for a reason"?

yeah we're not getting guys open this season, teams are leaving us open. I've recognized this over the yrs., teams pretty much play us for the pass on drives - because no one on this team is a consistent threat to drive all the way to the basket. they're saying you're going to have to make 35 3's to beat us. sound familiar? that's what the bucks did... we happened to make 'em.

it was one thing when we had AB and all that other garbage, but now we're supposed to have better players, much better players... and I believe we do. but when guys like tatum, brown and hayward are just relegated to being jump shooters what was the point if the result is the same?

there is no higher percentage shot than a dunk or a lay up. why do we make it so difficult on ourselves?

i'm not saying we need to get rid of stevens just yet though just because I don't agree with the philosophy... I didn't always like doc either. but this season is real big in giving us the answer on weather we should.

I know no one will agree to this but I fully believe... heck! I've been around long enough to know a bad coach can sink any team, but a good coach gets the guys to play together regardless of x's and o's and or philosophy.

we've gotten better every season under stevens, every season his philosophy has killed us imo. depending on how this season ends some guys might need to look in the mirror. 

Re: Letís re-examine this team
« Reply #42 on: November 10, 2018, 07:15:17 PM »

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I think its clearly they just dont quite know how to play together yet. This is the same team that rattled off 16 game win streak last year after Hayward went down. But, at that point Kyrie was the established #1 scorer, Jaylen operated as #2. and Tatum was a corner 3 point guy.

Now, a year later you add Hayward to the mix. Tatum is more than a corner 3 guy hanging in the background and Jaylen brown is trying to figure how he fits in all this after being a guy forced to carry the team in last years playoffs.

Difference between last years team, and this so far is that the roles were established last year and Guys fit into them. I dont think guys quite know what the roles are so far this year or how to fit into it.

Re: Letís re-examine this team
« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2018, 10:02:15 AM »

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yeah, another mistake so far by stevens imo. that team that lost in the EC finals last season deserved to pick up where they left off. hayward should have been the one sacrificed here. and it's not even a sacrifice considering he's the one coming off an injury, everyone would understand him not starting.

everyone says this is all so we're a better team at the end of the yr., sure I get that. but why does he have to start? these guys can't play together otherwise?

the reason I ask that is we have a couple young guys that are pretty promising in brown and tatum and carried and established themselves in a pretty big way in the playoffs last yr. . why mess with that? we're asking these guys on the verge of exploding to now hold back? why? I would think you'd want to keep them going.

you can't force chemistry, it needs to grow organically.

Re: Letís re-examine this team
« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2018, 10:12:12 AM »

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The only thing that's different from last year is Hayward.

 

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