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Should Danny trade Terry Rozier?
« on: November 06, 2018, 09:31:36 AM »

Offline cman88

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Other than being Kyrie Irving injury insurance, I really feel like he is the odd man out here and Danny might need to trade him if we want more balance on our team.

he is playing selfish hero ball and not making the shots. Clearly playing for his next contract. He is also kind of putting a screw in the rotation where guys like Jaylen brown (after a hot start last night) never get into a rhythm as they have to sit while he comes in and takes wild shots.

Especially given the near 100% chance that he leaves I wonder if Danny finds it too appealing to trade him for a marcus morris type player/contract while also shortening the rotation to give more minutes to your best players.

Re: Should Danny trade Terry Rozier?
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2018, 09:33:07 AM »

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I want him to. If he doesn't figure it out and buy into his actual role, instead of the role he thinks he deserves, I really hope we see him gone. This game was yet another horrendous performance
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Re: Should Danny trade Terry Rozier?
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2018, 09:47:47 AM »

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I'm changing my mind as well. I figured his contributions would be very important and therefore I'd have no problem letting him walk in free agency and give up his trading value.

But with the mindset he's playing right now I'd rather trade him. But other GM's probably have been paying attention and Rozier's value has dropped a lot since this summer.

Maybe a team like Phoenix or Orlando who desperately need a new PG would come up with a decent offer.

Bridges or Isaac would be nice, we'll throw in a (non Kings) - (Grizzlies (negotiable)) 1st round pick  ;D.

Re: Should Danny trade Terry Rozier?
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2018, 09:48:38 AM »

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Not yet, but maybe. I really like Rozier and want him here longterm, but I've noticed some of the same play.

That said, I'd like to get CBS through December before any big decisions are made.

The other problem is we still need a backup playmaker. Irving and Hayward can run the offense, and Wannamaker is a fine 3rd string guy, but we'd need another backup who is content with sporadic minutes.

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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2018, 10:15:23 AM »

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should Danny trade him?  No.

Should Rozier figure out his role on this team and play to his strengths to help the team?  Yes.

I'm not against a Rozier trade when the deadline approaches but if we do, that trade better bring back a better backup PG because I don't want to rely on Kyrie and Smart's health every night as our PG rotation.  Wanamaker hasn't looked as good as Larkin did last year so he's more of the break-glass-in-case-of-emergency PG.

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The only reason to really think about this (besides an amazing option) is if the team decides that Irving is going nowhere next year and that Rozier is just not the same player off the bench that he is as a starter.   

Would the Celtics be better with a more of a pure shooter off the bench there instead of Rozier? 

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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2018, 10:28:52 AM »

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The only reason to really think about this (besides an amazing option) is if the team decides that Irving is going nowhere next year and that Rozier is just not the same player off the bench that he is as a starter.   

Would the Celtics be better with a more of a pure shooter off the bench there instead of Rozier?

If we trade Rozier, I want a big in return; a legitimate starting big to play alongside Horford.  Then we can make Brown, Tatum, or Hayward the "shooter off the bench".  All 3 of these guys have excellent career 3pt% but are not thought of as "shooters" for some reason.  Who could we get who is a better shooter than these guys?

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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2018, 10:32:27 AM »

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If we get a decent return, then absolutely, though it’s still probably a bit early in the season to consider this, regardless of how crazy his play makes us.

Don’t think he fits the current team given his individual goals versus the team’s needs. The problem is we don’t have all that much guard depth. Would like to replace him with more of a pure shooter, which would greatly benefit the bench.
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2018, 10:39:23 AM »

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If we get a decent return, then absolutely, though it’s still probably a bit early in the season to consider this, regardless of how crazy his play makes us.

Don’t think he fits the current team given his individual goals versus the team’s needs. The problem is we don’t have all that much guard depth. Would like to replace him with more of a pure shooter, which would greatly benefit the bench.

What about something like Rozier for Troy Daniels and some sort of pick from Phoenix? Daniels is a sharpshooter who would seemingly pair well next to Smart off the bench. Would depend on the draft puck whether it would be worth it.
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2018, 11:48:47 AM »

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The only reason to really think about this (besides an amazing option) is if the team decides that Irving is going nowhere next year and that Rozier is just not the same player off the bench that he is as a starter.   

Would the Celtics be better with a more of a pure shooter off the bench there instead of Rozier?

If we trade Rozier, I want a big in return; a legitimate starting big to play alongside Horford.  Then we can make Brown, Tatum, or Hayward the "shooter off the bench".  All 3 of these guys have excellent career 3pt% but are not thought of as "shooters" for some reason.  Who could we get who is a better shooter than these guys?
I think you are overrating the shooting of Brown and Hayward.  Most people overrate Hayward's shooting.  He's never really been much above average except from the foul line.  Career 44% fg% and 36% 3pt percentage... Not so great. 

Brown seemed to come a long way as a 3pt shooter last year but he's regressed so far this year.

Re: Should Danny trade Terry Rozier?
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2018, 11:52:42 AM »

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As a general principle, Danny Ainge deserves significant benefit of the doubt. But I argued that this team was going to be too crowded. I thought it was unlikely that Rozier would be able to carve out a role that would make him look good, and that his value was as high as it was likely to get last offseason. Still, I'm surprised at how much he has regressed.

You can't use either Rozier or Smart to break the defense. They can both make a good pass, but Smart lacks burst speed, and Rozier doesn't make good decisions in traffic. When he is the primary focus of the defense, he just isn't very effective. They both play better with other playmakers, and they are terrible together.

We may work this out, but I would have preferred moving him during the offseason, or instead moving Smart.


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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2018, 11:57:06 AM »

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No. The kid is maturing into an exceptional player. He, Tatum and Brown could well be the future core of this team, as they showed down the stretch last year. Don't think Ainge hasn't noticed.

The problem guy is Hayward, who doesn't seem to fit with this team. Things are a lot different than they were when he was signed as a FA. Plus, he hasn't gotten back to all star form yet after his injury, and maybe should be brought along more slowly. Ainge, of course, would have a tough time unloading Hayward with his salary, unless it was combined with that Sac pick. Plus he has that relationship with Stevens, which is now a problem.

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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2018, 12:05:32 PM »

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Give Wanamaker some playing time before deciding on Rozier.

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Nah.  The Terry - Smart punch off the bench is a big strength for this team.
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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2018, 12:46:29 PM »

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It looks like Rozier need starter minutes and ball possessions to be successful.