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Re: Tatum's Clutch Shot vs the Knicks
« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2018, 06:36:45 PM »

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I bet Pierce was grinning from ear to ear over that shot .  It was exactly how he did things , punish the oppoent , screw with their heads and back it up , Im coming to win the game and YOU can't stop me ....Kobe was simular...Bird  .  Tatum oozes confidence.

What will he be like at 25 yrs old?   smh

Re: Tatum's Clutch Shot vs the Knicks
« Reply #31 on: October 22, 2018, 07:29:56 PM »

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He seems to shoot a TON of mid range stuff. So is everyone at the moment. Should just be attacking the rim constantly. Dish or get fouled.

I'm grateful for these mid range shots. It takes more skill to get a good shot off in the midrange than it does hoisting 3's. This 3 point analytic era is a snooze fest. I appreciate the art of the midrange.

Itís pretty and artful, but is it as efficient?

The math is simple, but he needs to shoot 50% on those shots to reach the efficiency of a 33.3% 3PT shooter.

Don't get me wrong, i totally get the efficiency+math aspect of shooting 3's. The 3 point shot is worth more than 2. However, this is sports and ultimately the goal of sports is to entertain the viewers. Would i rather have 32 highly efficient, high scoring teams, or 32 low efficient, lower scoring, but entertaining to watch teams? I would take the latter.

Re: Tatum's Clutch Shot vs the Knicks
« Reply #32 on: October 22, 2018, 07:32:43 PM »

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He seems to shoot a TON of mid range stuff. So is everyone at the moment. Should just be attacking the rim constantly. Dish or get fouled.

I'm grateful for these mid range shots. It takes more skill to get a good shot off in the midrange than it does hoisting 3's. This 3 point analytic era is a snooze fest. I appreciate the art of the midrange.

Itís pretty and artful, but is it as efficient?

The math is simple, but he needs to shoot 50% on those shots to reach the efficiency of a 33.3% 3PT shooter.

In general, yes a three point shot is more efficient than a long two point shot, because it's worth 50% more points but isn't 50% more difficult to make (the NBA probably needs to change this - but that's a different argument).

But not all three point shots are created equal.  Generally speaking, an open long two point shot is a more efficient shot than a contested three point shot.  Ideally, you'd like to shoot all threes or layups, but when the defense won't allow it, you take what they give you.  The teams that can find that balance between forcing the issue (trying to get layups/threes - at any cost), and taking the best open shot available, are the teams that have the most success.

The bottom line is, there is still plenty of value to be had from a good mid-range game.  Knowing how and when to use it is the more difficult part.

All fair points. Ultimately do we care more about teams winning/losing than we care about being entertained as viewers?

Re: Tatum's Clutch Shot vs the Knicks
« Reply #33 on: October 22, 2018, 07:59:54 PM »

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He seems to shoot a TON of mid range stuff. So is everyone at the moment. Should just be attacking the rim constantly. Dish or get fouled.

I'm grateful for these mid range shots. It takes more skill to get a good shot off in the midrange than it does hoisting 3's. This 3 point analytic era is a snooze fest. I appreciate the art of the midrange.

Itís pretty and artful, but is it as efficient?

The math is simple, but he needs to shoot 50% on those shots to reach the efficiency of a 33.3% 3PT shooter.

In general, yes a three point shot is more efficient than a long two point shot, because it's worth 50% more points but isn't 50% more difficult to make (the NBA probably needs to change this - but that's a different argument).

But not all three point shots are created equal.  Generally speaking, an open long two point shot is a more efficient shot than a contested three point shot.  Ideally, you'd like to shoot all threes or layups, but when the defense won't allow it, you take what they give you.  The teams that can find that balance between forcing the issue (trying to get layups/threes - at any cost), and taking the best open shot available, are the teams that have the most success.

The bottom line is, there is still plenty of value to be had from a good mid-range game.  Knowing how and when to use it is the more difficult part.

All fair points. Ultimately do we care more about teams winning/losing than we care about being entertained as viewers?
I know that I'd be happier if we won ugly than lost prettily

Re: Tatum's Clutch Shot vs the Knicks
« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2018, 02:16:50 AM »

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Someone mentioned yesterday Tatum's defense. Yes, against Magic he showed all his imature defensive moves. He bit on every flop from Fournier, Gordon and Vucevic. It's a looong way to an All Star level... 

Re: Tatum's Clutch Shot vs the Knicks
« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2018, 03:49:37 AM »

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Someone mentioned yesterday Tatum's defense. Yes, against Magic he showed all his imature defensive moves. He bit on every flop from Fournier, Gordon and Vucevic. It's a looong way to an All Star level...
I wrote about it.
He has a looong way to go.
Bites on fakes, gets bumped, does lose concentration after his own scores...
"The joy of the balling under the rims."

Re: Tatum's Clutch Shot vs the Knicks
« Reply #36 on: October 23, 2018, 06:43:07 AM »

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Someone mentioned yesterday Tatum's defense. Yes, against Magic he showed all his imature defensive moves. He bit on every flop from Fournier, Gordon and Vucevic. It's a looong way to an All Star level...
I wrote about it.
He has a looong way to go.
Bites on fakes, gets bumped, does lose concentration after his own scores...
I want him to take a leaf out of Durant's book in terms of defensive impact. It took Durant quite some time to become even average as a defender though

Re: Tatum's Clutch Shot vs the Knicks
« Reply #37 on: October 23, 2018, 10:16:54 AM »

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He seems to shoot a TON of mid range stuff. So is everyone at the moment. Should just be attacking the rim constantly. Dish or get fouled.

I'm grateful for these mid range shots. It takes more skill to get a good shot off in the midrange than it does hoisting 3's. This 3 point analytic era is a snooze fest. I appreciate the art of the midrange.

It’s pretty and artful, but is it as efficient?

The math is simple, but he needs to shoot 50% on those shots to reach the efficiency of a 33.3% 3PT shooter.

Don't get me wrong, i totally get the efficiency+math aspect of shooting 3's. The 3 point shot is worth more than 2. However, this is sports and ultimately the goal of sports is to entertain the viewers. Would i rather have 32 highly efficient, high scoring teams, or 32 low efficient, lower scoring, but entertaining to watch teams? I would take the latter.

Herm disagrees.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5-iJUuPWis
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Re: Tatum's Clutch Shot vs the Knicks
« Reply #38 on: October 23, 2018, 10:29:02 AM »

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He seems to shoot a TON of mid range stuff. So is everyone at the moment. Should just be attacking the rim constantly. Dish or get fouled.

I'm grateful for these mid range shots. It takes more skill to get a good shot off in the midrange than it does hoisting 3's. This 3 point analytic era is a snooze fest. I appreciate the art of the midrange.

Itís pretty and artful, but is it as efficient?

The math is simple, but he needs to shoot 50% on those shots to reach the efficiency of a 33.3% 3PT shooter.

Don't get me wrong, i totally get the efficiency+math aspect of shooting 3's. The 3 point shot is worth more than 2. However, this is sports and ultimately the goal of sports is to entertain the viewers. Would i rather have 32 highly efficient, high scoring teams, or 32 low efficient, lower scoring, but entertaining to watch teams? I would take the latter.

Herm disagrees.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5-iJUuPWis

For the players and coaches, their job is to win at all cost. For the viewers our job is to be entertained. There has to be a middle ground somewhere along those lines. I have no interest in being bored while watching my favorite sport. I want to be entertained and enthralled by it. My greatest wish (although it will never happen in my lifetime) is for free throws to be removed from the sport. Free throws are inherently boring to watch and serve no purpose for the viewer. 

Re: Tatum's Clutch Shot vs the Knicks
« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2018, 02:02:46 PM »

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Someone mentioned yesterday Tatum's defense. Yes, against Magic he showed all his imature defensive moves. He bit on every flop from Fournier, Gordon and Vucevic. It's a looong way to an All Star level...

Have you seen Harden's defense? At least Tatum tries and Harden is a superstar.

 

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