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Re: Tatums clutch shot vs the knicks
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2018, 11:02:34 AM »

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Tatum looks like hes ready to be the 2nd best player on the team offensively....going to be scary when Hayward/Kyrie get into a rhythm
Maybe even the best.  I know Kyrie is a genius at what he does, but I feel more confident that we will score when Tatum is making his moves.

Re: Tatum's Clutch Shot vs the Knicks
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2018, 11:08:04 AM »

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He seems to shoot a TON of mid range stuff. So is everyone at the moment. Should just be attacking the rim constantly. Dish or get fouled.
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Re: Tatum's Clutch Shot vs the Knicks
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2018, 11:16:51 AM »

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He seems to shoot a TON of mid range stuff. So is everyone at the moment. Should just be attacking the rim constantly. Dish or get fouled.
I agree with this.  I'm not crazy about his shot selection... very Carmelo Anthony like.  But he's so good at what he does.  I hope he starts looking for more 3's and rim attacks.  It's easy to see why settles for midrange but I don't really like it all the time.

Re: Tatums clutch shot vs the knicks
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2018, 11:36:14 AM »

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I love what Tatum showed so far.
Still, he has a long way to go;
- his defense is shaky, he bites on pump fakes regularly, and gets bumped of spots. Sometimes after a score, he forgets about the other end.
- if he doesn't shoot it, his creating and decision making leave a lot to be desired. As his usage% is rising his TO% is spiking.

Not saying these aren't fixable, just that we are treating him as an All-star and he is not that - yet.


Heís also starting to complain too often about missed calls on the offensive end instead of getting back on defense. But hey, I guess itís better than pushing the ref and starting a fight after a bad call like his peers do, i.e. Ingram

Re: Tatum's Clutch Shot vs the Knicks
« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2018, 11:39:04 AM »

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He seems to shoot a TON of mid range stuff. So is everyone at the moment. Should just be attacking the rim constantly. Dish or get fouled.
Probably what he learned from Kobe in their summer workout.

Re: Tatum's Clutch Shot vs the Knicks
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2018, 12:41:05 PM »

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He seems to shoot a TON of mid range stuff. So is everyone at the moment. Should just be attacking the rim constantly. Dish or get fouled.

He did in college as well.  He had a lot of advanced mid range shots/moves that he didn't use much last season.  Stevens didn't want him using those much since they're low percentage.  It looks like he's being given more latitude this season.

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« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2018, 12:43:34 PM »

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For those concerned, a few things of note:

Carmelo took 14% of his shots from 10-16 feet and 28% of his shots from 16-23 feet over his career.

Tatum is taking (in his small sample size) 17% of his shots from 10-16 feet and 23% from 16-23 feet.

Even with Tatum's uptick in mid-range shots, he is still not as bad as Melo's career.

On top of that, Melo's TS% was never as good as Tatum's last year or this year. His 3 point shooting was never as good as Tatum's last year.

The main area where Tatum lags behind is FT rate, which does concern me a bit, but Brad Stevens is not Callipari (thank goodness). He doesn't make his players force the issue at the rim to draw fouls.
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Re: Tatums clutch shot vs the knicks
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2018, 01:05:34 PM »

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Paul Pierce 2.0.

lol PP is already protecting his place. The studio crew was teasing Paul about Tatum having better handles than him when Paul defended his legacy by saying people who said he did not have tight handles or athleticism should visit youtube. LOL.

Paul was a better defender, but Tatum is very, very advanced offensively for his age.

Re: Tatum's Clutch Shot vs the Knicks
« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2018, 01:36:57 PM »

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That fall-away shot also kinda reminded me of KG's shot.

Love this kid.

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« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2018, 01:49:51 PM »

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He was great but I think sometimes he is more worried about a move than just taking the shot.   Of course, developing these moves tends to lead to good things down the road.   But sometimes he makes shots more complicated than they have to be at times.
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Re: Tatum's Clutch Shot vs the Knicks
« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2018, 03:03:18 PM »

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He seems to shoot a TON of mid range stuff. So is everyone at the moment. Should just be attacking the rim constantly. Dish or get fouled.

I'm grateful for these mid range shots. It takes more skill to get a good shot off in the midrange than it does hoisting 3's. This 3 point analytic era is a snooze fest. I appreciate the art of the midrange.

Re: Tatum's Clutch Shot vs the Knicks
« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2018, 04:49:36 PM »

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He seems to shoot a TON of mid range stuff. So is everyone at the moment. Should just be attacking the rim constantly. Dish or get fouled.

I'm grateful for these mid range shots. It takes more skill to get a good shot off in the midrange than it does hoisting 3's. This 3 point analytic era is a snooze fest. I appreciate the art of the midrange.

You pretty much nailed it. I think he needs to remove those long 2's from his game but it's actually nice to watch a player that isn't just jacking up 3's all game.

Re: Tatum's Clutch Shot vs the Knicks
« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2018, 05:13:28 PM »

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He seems to shoot a TON of mid range stuff. So is everyone at the moment. Should just be attacking the rim constantly. Dish or get fouled.

I'm grateful for these mid range shots. It takes more skill to get a good shot off in the midrange than it does hoisting 3's. This 3 point analytic era is a snooze fest. I appreciate the art of the midrange.

You pretty much nailed it. I think he needs to remove those long 2's from his game but it's actually nice to watch a player that isn't just jacking up 3's all game.

Yep. James Harden is the poster boy for the modern NBA. He either takes 3's, gets layups, or shoots free throws. Does this help his team win games? Absolutely. Is it fun to watch as a viewer? Absolutely not.

Re: Tatum's Clutch Shot vs the Knicks
« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2018, 05:42:05 PM »

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He seems to shoot a TON of mid range stuff. So is everyone at the moment. Should just be attacking the rim constantly. Dish or get fouled.

I'm grateful for these mid range shots. It takes more skill to get a good shot off in the midrange than it does hoisting 3's. This 3 point analytic era is a snooze fest. I appreciate the art of the midrange.

Itís pretty and artful, but is it as efficient?

The math is simple, but he needs to shoot 50% on those shots to reach the efficiency of a 33.3% 3PT shooter.


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Re: Tatum's Clutch Shot vs the Knicks
« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2018, 06:01:21 PM »

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He seems to shoot a TON of mid range stuff. So is everyone at the moment. Should just be attacking the rim constantly. Dish or get fouled.

I'm grateful for these mid range shots. It takes more skill to get a good shot off in the midrange than it does hoisting 3's. This 3 point analytic era is a snooze fest. I appreciate the art of the midrange.

Itís pretty and artful, but is it as efficient?

The math is simple, but he needs to shoot 50% on those shots to reach the efficiency of a 33.3% 3PT shooter.

In general, yes a three point shot is more efficient than a long two point shot, because it's worth 50% more points but isn't 50% more difficult to make (the NBA probably needs to change this - but that's a different argument).

But not all three point shots are created equal.  Generally speaking, an open long two point shot is a more efficient shot than a contested three point shot.  Ideally, you'd like to shoot all threes or layups, but when the defense won't allow it, you take what they give you.  The teams that can find that balance between forcing the issue (trying to get layups/threes - at any cost), and taking the best open shot available, are the teams that have the most success.

The bottom line is, there is still plenty of value to be had from a good mid-range game.  Knowing how and when to use it is the more difficult part.

 

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