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The Hayward/Baynes Shuffle
« on: October 17, 2018, 05:00:37 PM »

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Aron Baynes started the third quarter in place of Hayward last night and it sounds like this was planned and will be the plan while Hayward is still on his minutes restriction.

I think this is a smart move by Stevens and maybe should continue even when Hayward is back 100%. I know there are posters here who think Baynes should be a full starter. I love this little shuffle as a way of keeping Hayward a starter helping ensure his rhythm and confidence but also coming out of halftime with a bigger, tougher lineup.

It's also a convenient way of staggering minutes for the top 5 and giving Hayward time to run some offense with the bench, against other benches.
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Re: The Hayward/Baynes Shuffle
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2018, 05:10:58 PM »

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Many posters here have been advocating to use Hayward off the bench to ease his transition back and to have a scorer with the 2nd unit.  I'm guessing Stevens might be thinking the same.  He's starting him in the first quarter so not to disrespect him.  It makes a lot of sense.

Re: The Hayward/Baynes Shuffle
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2018, 05:38:03 PM »

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Does Moranis still think Baynes can't guard Embiid because he did well on him last night?

Re: The Hayward/Baynes Shuffle
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2018, 05:40:11 PM »

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Does Moranis still think Baynes can't guard Embiid because he did well on him last night?

I was wondering about this. Baynes was great against him on both ends of the floor last night

Re: The Hayward/Baynes Shuffle
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2018, 05:41:21 PM »

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Many posters here have been advocating to use Hayward off the bench to ease his transition back and to have a scorer with the 2nd unit.  I'm guessing Stevens might be thinking the same.  He's starting him in the first quarter so not to disrespect him.  It makes a lot of sense.

I'm not sure that's a good idea.  Hayward's scoring (and overall game) is pretty mediocre right now even when surrounded by the best players on the team.  I don't think you want him trying to carry the scoring load for any unit at the moment. 

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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2018, 05:45:12 PM »

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Aron Baynes started the third quarter in place of Hayward last night and it sounds like this was planned and will be the plan while Hayward is still on his minutes restriction.

I think this is a smart move by Stevens and maybe should continue even when Hayward is back 100%. I know there are posters here who think Baynes should be a full starter. I love this little shuffle as a way of keeping Hayward a starter helping ensure his rhythm and confidence but also coming out of halftime with a bigger, tougher lineup.

It's also a convenient way of staggering minutes for the top 5 and giving Hayward time to run some offense with the bench, against other benches.

Nothing to see here, the coach has already addressed it.  Stevens had mentioned earlier in the day that this will be the rotation while on the restriction to insure that Hayward has minutes to be on the floor at end of games.

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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2018, 06:28:16 PM »

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Darn it. I thought Baynes and Hayward had a new dance routine.
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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2018, 06:40:36 PM »

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Darn it. I thought Baynes and Hayward had a new dance routine.

Wait til Hayward is fully healed then he and Haynes can bust a move.

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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2018, 06:40:45 PM »

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Darn it. I thought Baynes and Hayward had a new dance routine.
Lol, me too. Hopefully one day!

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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2018, 06:27:15 AM »

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I was wondering about this. Baynes was great against him on both ends of the floor last night

Me too, and I thought he was ok in the playoffs, too.

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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2018, 06:54:06 AM »

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It's not going to always be Baynes starting the 3Q and will be matchup dependent. Stevens said that and also added that this will continue for the next few weeks until Hayward's minutes restriction is lifted.

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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2018, 08:42:33 AM »

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Does Moranis still think Baynes can't guard Embiid because he did well on him last night?

I was wondering about this. Baynes was great against him on both ends of the floor last night
21-14 C's when Baynes enters the game with 2:53 left in the 1st quarter, Sixers scored the next 7 points to end the quarter tied.  At 6:37 of the 2nd, Horford comes back in the C's are up 4, so the C's lost 3 points in 8 and a half minutes of Baynes in the first half.  C's ended the half up 5.  Baynes and Horford started the 2nd half together, when Baynes was pulled at 6:41, the C's were up 7 so they had extended the lead by 2.  Baynes came back in for the last 1:13 of the 3rd quarter and Boston went on a nice little run extending their lead by 5, which continued into the 4th quarter. 

So yeah, Boston played well overall late in the game with Baynes out there, but it took almost 3 full quarters for that to happen and Boston overall was better when Horford was guarding Embiid. 

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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2018, 08:56:04 AM »

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Does Moranis still think Baynes can't guard Embiid because he did well on him last night?

I was wondering about this. Baynes was great against him on both ends of the floor last night
21-14 C's when Baynes enters the game with 2:53 left in the 1st quarter, Sixers scored the next 7 points to end the quarter tied.  At 6:37 of the 2nd, Horford comes back in the C's are up 4, so the C's lost 3 points in 8 and a half minutes of Baynes in the first half.  C's ended the half up 5.  Baynes and Horford started the 2nd half together, when Baynes was pulled at 6:41, the C's were up 7 so they had extended the lead by 2.  Baynes came back in for the last 1:13 of the 3rd quarter and Boston went on a nice little run extending their lead by 5, which continued into the 4th quarter. 

So yeah, Boston played well overall late in the game with Baynes out there, but it took almost 3 full quarters for that to happen and Boston overall was better when Horford was guarding Embiid.

Team scoring and individual defense arenít the same thing, and Baynes did great regardless of how Horford did. Embiid 23 points on 21 shots between Baynes and Horford, thatís fantastic.

Itís amazing how esoteric your supporting metrics get as you dig yourself deeper.
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Re: The Hayward/Baynes Shuffle
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2018, 09:11:37 AM »

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Does Moranis still think Baynes can't guard Embiid because he did well on him last night?

I was wondering about this. Baynes was great against him on both ends of the floor last night
21-14 C's when Baynes enters the game with 2:53 left in the 1st quarter, Sixers scored the next 7 points to end the quarter tied.  At 6:37 of the 2nd, Horford comes back in the C's are up 4, so the C's lost 3 points in 8 and a half minutes of Baynes in the first half.  C's ended the half up 5.  Baynes and Horford started the 2nd half together, when Baynes was pulled at 6:41, the C's were up 7 so they had extended the lead by 2.  Baynes came back in for the last 1:13 of the 3rd quarter and Boston went on a nice little run extending their lead by 5, which continued into the 4th quarter. 

So yeah, Boston played well overall late in the game with Baynes out there, but it took almost 3 full quarters for that to happen and Boston overall was better when Horford was guarding Embiid.

Team scoring and individual defense arenít the same thing, and Baynes did great regardless of how Horford did. Embiid 23 points on 21 shots between Baynes and Horford, thatís fantastic.

Itís amazing how esoteric your supporting metrics get as you dig yourself deeper.
Really something to behold. Such a strange take, especially in the face of disagreement from numerous people all with evidence to support their claim

Re: The Hayward/Baynes Shuffle
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2018, 09:15:40 AM »

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Does Moranis still think Baynes can't guard Embiid because he did well on him last night?

I was wondering about this. Baynes was great against him on both ends of the floor last night
21-14 C's when Baynes enters the game with 2:53 left in the 1st quarter, Sixers scored the next 7 points to end the quarter tied.  At 6:37 of the 2nd, Horford comes back in the C's are up 4, so the C's lost 3 points in 8 and a half minutes of Baynes in the first half.  C's ended the half up 5.  Baynes and Horford started the 2nd half together, when Baynes was pulled at 6:41, the C's were up 7 so they had extended the lead by 2.  Baynes came back in for the last 1:13 of the 3rd quarter and Boston went on a nice little run extending their lead by 5, which continued into the 4th quarter. 

So yeah, Boston played well overall late in the game with Baynes out there, but it took almost 3 full quarters for that to happen and Boston overall was better when Horford was guarding Embiid.

Team scoring and individual defense arenít the same thing, and Baynes did great regardless of how Horford did. Embiid 23 points on 21 shots between Baynes and Horford, thatís fantastic.

Itís amazing how esoteric your supporting metrics get as you dig yourself deeper.
But that has in fact been my argument, that Boston is better when Baynes isn't on the floor against Embiid, in a large part because of the lack of Baynes quickness and footspeed making it difficult for him to contain Embiid without double teams. 

 

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