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Re: Switch out one player to make the Celtics better
« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2018, 06:33:14 PM »

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I think the most important stat for Jaylen Brown is DOB.   He's still 21 (for about 2 more weeks).  He's one guy in the pre-season who looked like his confidence took a leap forward.  If not for Davis, I'd have a hard time saying goodbye Jaylen.

To me, the logical switch out guy is Rozier.  I love his game, but he comes to mind as the most probable 'sell high" guy on the roster.  He's made a name for himself and hasn't done anything in the pre-season that would shake anyone's confidence in him.   

Not sure if you could really get a Valenciunas or Miles Turner, but that sounds good to me.


I think the C's are going to lose Theis this off-season, so need for another big for the long-term.   Can someone confirm this for me? I've been under the impression that the C's are locked into a limitation on what they will be able to offer Theis that other teams won't be held to?  Maybe it's lack of Bird Rights and therefore will have cap limitation?

Re: Switch out one player to make the Celtics better
« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2018, 06:34:20 PM »

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I would swap out Gordon Hayward...don't need him. Definetly not Brown.
.. for who?? We canít just go around tossing our second best player away

Iíd swap Morris for a Taurean Prince type, if weíre strictly talking about comparable ability right now.
If weíre talking long-term, Morris for Ingles would be perfect. Or Morris for Jonathon Simmons

He obviously hasnt been our second best player and will not be going forward...not seeing it
I don't know what your standards are for people who haven't been able to play for almost 365 days are, but if you're expecting them to instantly return to their previous playing levels you've got another thing coming

That's fine...but you are saying hes our second best player based off his Utah career. Hes done nothing here to this point and I'm taking into consideration his injury which is why I don't see him being our second best player..not gonna happen
I'm assuming he'll be able to return to form, because we've seen examples of the same injury occurring to elite players (like PG13) without hindering their long-term talent. Paul George played a handful of games at the end of a season, then had a fully healthy summer, then came back better than ever.

He's still got probably the second best, or second most developed and well rounded, scorer on the team, arguably the best playmaker, and a more versatile defender than a lot of our players. I'm happy to be proven wrong by JT or JB eclipsing him, but I still believe he'll be able to provide 17-22ppg, with a handful of assists and rebounds each. We'll see!

Re: Switch out one player to make the Celtics better
« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2018, 06:38:04 PM »

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I would swap out Gordon Hayward...don't need him. Definetly not Brown.
.. for who?? We canít just go around tossing our second best player away

Iíd swap Morris for a Taurean Prince type, if weíre strictly talking about comparable ability right now.
If weíre talking long-term, Morris for Ingles would be perfect. Or Morris for Jonathon Simmons

He obviously hasnt been our second best player and will not be going forward...not seeing it
I don't know what your standards are for people who haven't been able to play for almost 365 days are, but if you're expecting them to instantly return to their previous playing levels you've got another thing coming

That's fine...but you are saying hes our second best player based off his Utah career. Hes done nothing here to this point and I'm taking into consideration his injury which is why I don't see him being our second best player..not gonna happen
I'm assuming he'll be able to return to form, because we've seen examples of the same injury occurring to elite players (like PG13) without hindering their long-term talent. Paul George played a handful of games at the end of a season, then had a fully healthy summer, then came back better than ever.

He's still got probably the second best, or second most developed and well rounded, scorer on the team, arguably the best playmaker, and a more versatile defender than a lot of our players. I'm happy to be proven wrong by JT or JB eclipsing him, but I still believe he'll be able to provide 17-22ppg, with a handful of assists and rebounds each. We'll see!

I'll be pleasantly surprised if he fits in and ends up being our second best player over jayson and jaylen nevermind Al who made the all star game and is an important piece

Re: Switch out one player to make the Celtics better
« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2018, 06:40:54 PM »

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I would swap out Gordon Hayward...don't need him. Definetly not Brown.
.. for who?? We canít just go around tossing our second best player away

Iíd swap Morris for a Taurean Prince type, if weíre strictly talking about comparable ability right now.
If weíre talking long-term, Morris for Ingles would be perfect. Or Morris for Jonathon Simmons

He obviously hasnt been our second best player and will not be going forward...not seeing it
I don't know what your standards are for people who haven't been able to play for almost 365 days are, but if you're expecting them to instantly return to their previous playing levels you've got another thing coming

That's fine...but you are saying hes our second best player based off his Utah career. Hes done nothing here to this point and I'm taking into consideration his injury which is why I don't see him being our second best player..not gonna happen
I'm assuming he'll be able to return to form, because we've seen examples of the same injury occurring to elite players (like PG13) without hindering their long-term talent. Paul George played a handful of games at the end of a season, then had a fully healthy summer, then came back better than ever.

He's still got probably the second best, or second most developed and well rounded, scorer on the team, arguably the best playmaker, and a more versatile defender than a lot of our players. I'm happy to be proven wrong by JT or JB eclipsing him, but I still believe he'll be able to provide 17-22ppg, with a handful of assists and rebounds each. We'll see!

I'll be pleasantly surprised if he fits in and ends up being our second best player over jayson and jaylen nevermind Al who made the all star game and is an important piece
I fear for Al - he's so happy to pass the ball and set up other guys to get their shots he might forget to himself!

Re: Switch out one player to make the Celtics better
« Reply #34 on: October 09, 2018, 03:53:59 AM »

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Love JT, but swapping him (and other players/picks) for AD puts us over the top.

I think Tatum has legit superstar potential, but Davis IS a perennial MVP candidate.

Brown fills a need as a proven SG who can defend and shoot. He also has superstar potential. Kyrie/Hayward/Horford arenít going anywhere.

I know weíd have to wait until the offseason and matching salaries will be difficult, but that seems like the only logical move to make. Davis as the 4, Horford at C.
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Re: Switch out one player to make the Celtics better
« Reply #35 on: October 09, 2018, 05:16:47 PM »

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I don't really have any concerns about the preseason.

Just for fun, though, I'd swap Hayward for Anthony Davis.

This.

Re: Switch out one player to make the Celtics better
« Reply #36 on: October 22, 2018, 09:26:38 PM »

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So perhaps itís time to revisit this thread? 

Re: Switch out one player to make the Celtics better
« Reply #37 on: October 22, 2018, 09:29:04 PM »

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So perhaps itís time to revisit this thread?
Some overreactions will come flying

That being said: Brown for Doncic ;D

Re: Switch out one player to make the Celtics better
« Reply #38 on: October 22, 2018, 09:33:53 PM »

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So perhaps itís time to revisit this thread?
Some overreactions will come flying
The team obviously looks terrible, but this thread was more of a big picture idea anyway.  Even after the team is in sync the pieces donít quite fit correctly and Brown I think should be the odd man out.

Re: Switch out one player to make the Celtics better
« Reply #39 on: October 22, 2018, 09:36:37 PM »

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So perhaps itís time to revisit this thread?
Some overreactions will come flying
The team obviously looks terrible, but this thread was more of a big picture idea anyway.  Even after the team is in sync the pieces donít quite fit correctly and Brown I think should be the odd man out.
I think you're right. I know we disagreed about it before, but that was more the whole example of Redick and the premise that there might not be enough shots to go around. I think the shots are there, I just am not sure his game fits with us.
However, I don't think there are any suitable moves we can make this season. Keep him and throw the motherload at Davis

Re: Switch out one player to make the Celtics better
« Reply #40 on: October 22, 2018, 09:49:21 PM »

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Jimmy Butler for Jaylen? 

Re: Switch out one player to make the Celtics better
« Reply #41 on: October 22, 2018, 09:49:55 PM »

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So perhaps itís time to revisit this thread?
Some overreactions will come flying
The team obviously looks terrible, but this thread was more of a big picture idea anyway.  Even after the team is in sync the pieces donít quite fit correctly and Brown I think should be the odd man out.
I think you're right. I know we disagreed about it before, but that was more the whole example of Redick and the premise that there might not be enough shots to go around. I think the shots are there, I just am not sure his game fits with us.
However, I don't think there are any suitable moves we can make this season. Keep him and throw the motherload at Davis
Yeah, I havenít gone as far as proposing an actual trade either.  Iím happy to let it play out as well.  Just think heís the odd man out in an ideal world.

Re: Switch out one player to make the Celtics better
« Reply #42 on: October 22, 2018, 09:51:30 PM »

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Hayward for a bag of balls and a 2nd round pick

Re: Switch out one player to make the Celtics better
« Reply #43 on: October 25, 2018, 05:21:42 PM »

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Hayward needs to come off the bench as 6th man--for offense.

He may be making most of the money, but he doesn't look like a fit to start on this team at this point--not with the fast progression of Tatum, Brown and even Rozier.

They need more speed and athleticism in the lineup. A better transition game for easier shots. And better defense.

I'd also like to see more of Williams--as a rebounder and shot blocker--not as a shooter. I read somewhere he's getting shooting lessons. Nobody ever taught Russell how to shoot. That wasn't his job. Know your job!

Re: Switch out one player to make the Celtics better
« Reply #44 on: October 25, 2018, 05:26:35 PM »

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So perhaps itís time to revisit this thread?
Some overreactions will come flying
The team obviously looks terrible, but this thread was more of a big picture idea anyway.  Even after the team is in sync the pieces donít quite fit correctly and Brown I think should be the odd man out.

The pieces fit quite well last season with Hayward out of the lineup. So what does that tell you?

Brown and Tatum need space to improve even more this year, and you wonder if Hayward's presence in the starting lineup is impeding that.

 

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