Jabari Bird arrested

[bellerephon]

Has anyone read any news reports about the incident that use a masculine or feminine pronoun for the victim?

I haven't, and I find that a little odd.

A gay lover, and Bird being outed, would explain a lot, especially the 4th night stay in what is most likely the psych unit.

One of the reports indicated that in MA, cops aren't allow to confirm a lot of the details about the victim, including their gender.  Under those circumstances, I'm surprised that they acknowledged that it was a romantic partner.

I actually never saw that they confirmed it was a romantic partner. As far as I can remember it was referred to as a domestic violence incident. That could theoretically mean any member of his family or household including siblings, children, parents, grandparents, partners etc. I think we all suspect it is a romantic partner, but the police did not confirm that, at least to the best of my knowledge.

[Moranis]

Has anyone read any news reports about the incident that use a masculine or feminine pronoun for the victim?

I haven't, and I find that a little odd.

A gay lover, and Bird being outed, would explain a lot, especially the 4th night stay in what is most likely the psych unit.

One of the reports indicated that in MA, cops aren't allow to confirm a lot of the details about the victim, including their gender.  Under those circumstances, I'm surprised that they acknowledged that it was a romantic partner.

I actually never saw that they confirmed it was a romantic partner. As far as I can remember it was referred to as a domestic violence incident. That could theoretically mean any member of his family or household including siblings, children, parents, grandparents, partners etc. I think we all suspect it is a romantic partner, but the police did not confirm that, at least to the best of my knowledge.

Boston 25 reported it as a romantic partner.

[JHTruth]

Has anyone read any news reports about the incident that use a masculine or feminine pronoun for the victim?

I haven't, and I find that a little odd.

A gay lover, and Bird being outed, would explain a lot, especially the 4th night stay in what is most likely the psych unit.

One of the reports indicated that in MA, cops aren't allow to confirm a lot of the details about the victim, including their gender.  Under those circumstances, I'm surprised that they acknowledged that it was a romantic partner.

TP, and thanx for the info.

Check this out, though pretty detailed...I find the "strangulation" sections interesting from a legal perspective.

https://www.mass.gov/files/2017-08/2017-domestic-violence-law-enforcement-guidelines.pdf

EDIT: Pretty weird, though that so few details about the incident are floating around....witnesses, circumstances, location, given the age of TMZ that we live in.

Yeah, I'm surprised that there haven't been a lot of leaks.  I'm not sure if it's the cops being tight-lipped, the media choosing not to publish, or the media being lazy.

Most of the C's media is off during the next couple of weeks until training camp opens. Plus, let's not kid ourselves, Bird is a scrub. If this were Irving it would be national news. For example, if Alex Abrines would have a similar incident, would any Boston fan care?

no, but the OKC media would be all over it.  The fact that a city the size of Boston hasn't been able to put out more information on something involving a Boston athlete is a bit odd.

Or maybe they wait for reliable information to come out.

Nah, our current media is a clown show who couldn't care less about accuracy. I think the media is just laying low because of all the puff pieces they wrote about Jabari and don't want to look like idiots..

[bogg]

Lol no one is going to accept a bad reaction to medication as an excuse for putting a woman in the hospital.

Forget basketball, Jailbari will be lucky to keep his freedom..

At the date and time of the post there was no information available as to the extent of the injuries (to my knowledge, there's still nothing officially out there), and being treated at a hospital is different than being hurt badly enough to require inpatient care (i.e. an injured wrist might get treated there, but getting fitted for an air cast isn't exactly getting put in the hospital). Had it eventually come out that the person wasn't hurt particularly badly and there were some sort of mitigating circumstances regarding the need for a psychiatric hold it's possible the situation could have resolved less severely than it appeared it was headed.


It's looking worse and worse as time goes on though.

I think people are getting ahead of themselves on the possibility of Bird using some sort of mental illness defense. He may very well claim, and indeed have, some sort of mental illness, but even if true it likely isn't going to be the basis for an insanity defense. Laws are pretty specific as to what sort of mental issue can qualify one to be judged not legally responsible for a criminal act. Jails are full of people with serious mental issues who have been nevertheless judged competent to stand trial and pay the price for their crimes.

The original comment at least wasn't intended as some sort of discussion of possible legal defense. It was literally a best-case-scenario response to speculation as to whether there was any way Bird's not gone/in jail. "Best case scenario" isn't the same thing as "this is probably what happened".

[Celtics4ever]

How bad is he hurt?   Or it could be mental breakdown but one would think he would have already been out if Domestic Violence injury.

[fairweatherfan]

Details leaking out:

Details in the Jabari Bird case: He is accused of assaulting his girlfriend for four hours in his apartment. He’s accused of strangling her multiple times, including once until she lost consciousness.

https://twitter.com/Tom_NBA/status/1040273862125072384

This is horrible if true. That's not even a Ray Rice situation, that's a sustained assault that the victim is probably fortunate to have survived. Jabari will be lucky to see the outside of a prison for the next several years, and should never set foot on an NBA court again.

[Eddie20]

Details leaking out:

Details in the Jabari Bird case: He is accused of assaulting his girlfriend for four hours in his apartment. He’s accused of strangling her multiple times, including once until she lost consciousness.

https://twitter.com/Tom_NBA/status/1040273862125072384

This is horrible if true. That's not even a Ray Rice situation, that's a sustained assault that the victim is probably fortunate to have survived. Jabari will be lucky to see the outside of a prison for the next several years, and should never set foot on an NBA court again.

He also added this:

Bird is accused of kicking her repeatedly in the stomach when she woke up. When she left, per the Commonwealth, Bird was in mental distress, so she left him in a safe place.

Bird will be held on $100k bail, $50k of which has to be cash (a point of some contention). His release will be pending conditions, including no drugs or alcohol, no weapons, and court-ordered supervision.

Bird is allowed to travel with the Celtics, if it’s court-approved. His supervision will include his high-school coach.

[fairweatherfan]

Details leaking out:

Details in the Jabari Bird case: He is accused of assaulting his girlfriend for four hours in his apartment. He’s accused of strangling her multiple times, including once until she lost consciousness.

https://twitter.com/Tom_NBA/status/1040273862125072384

This is horrible if true. That's not even a Ray Rice situation, that's a sustained assault that the victim is probably fortunate to have survived. Jabari will be lucky to see the outside of a prison for the next several years, and should never set foot on an NBA court again.

He also added this:

Bird is accused of kicking her repeatedly in the stomach when she woke up. When she left, per the Commonwealth, Bird was in mental distress, so she left him in a safe place.

Bird will be held on $100k bail, $50k of which has to be cash (a point of some contention). His release will be pending conditions, including no drugs or alcohol, no weapons, and court-ordered supervision.

Bird is allowed to travel with the Celtics, if it’s court-approved. His supervision will include his high-school coach.

The "mental distress" seems consistent with my guess that he was under a psychiatric hold for the last several days. Would explain the unusually tight-lipped attitude around his hospital stay.

Also gonna go out on a limb and say he will not be doing any traveling with the Celtics. At least, I hope not.

[Eddie20]

Any ramifications on the salary cap for dumping him?

The first year of his contract is guaranteed, so unless we trade him, we’re stuck paying him and will have his salary count against the cap / luxury tax.

Keith Smith says otherwise

My guess is that Jabari Bird will be waived by the Boston Celtics now that court proceedings have begun. Boston could petition for Adam Silver to void Bird's contract under the new domestic violence policy in the NBA. This one could go on for a bit contract-wise.

[bogg]

Team put out a statement a couple minutes ago that boils down to "we're working with the league office on this", bit from the way it's phrased Jabari's gone and it's just a matter of how.

[Roy H.]

Any ramifications on the salary cap for dumping him?

The first year of his contract is guaranteed, so unless we trade him, we’re stuck paying him and will have his salary count against the cap / luxury tax.

Keith Smith says otherwise

My guess is that Jabari Bird will be waived by the Boston Celtics now that court proceedings have begun. Boston could petition for Adam Silver to void Bird's contract under the new domestic violence policy in the NBA. This one could go on for a bit contract-wise.

Which he followed up with:

To be very clear, this is simply a guess for how this is handled in terms of the cap/contract.

[Eddie20]

Any ramifications on the salary cap for dumping him?

The first year of his contract is guaranteed, so unless we trade him, we’re stuck paying him and will have his salary count against the cap / luxury tax.

Which he followed up with:

To be very clear, this is simply a guess for how this is handled in terms of the cap/contract.

Keith Smith says otherwise

My guess is that Jabari Bird will be waived by the Boston Celtics now that court proceedings have begun. Boston could petition for Adam Silver to void Bird's contract under the new domestic violence policy in the NBA. This one could go on for a bit contract-wise.

Of course, meaning he thinks they would proceed that way, but it's not questioning the ability to remove the contract off the books per the DV policy.

[Donoghus]

Details leaking out:

Details in the Jabari Bird case: He is accused of assaulting his girlfriend for four hours in his apartment. He’s accused of strangling her multiple times, including once until she lost consciousness.

https://twitter.com/Tom_NBA/status/1040273862125072384

This is horrible if true. That's not even a Ray Rice situation, that's a sustained assault that the victim is probably fortunate to have survived. Jabari will be lucky to see the outside of a prison for the next several years, and should never set foot on an NBA court again.

Pretty much confirms what I heard thru a friend over the weekend.

I told people this was bad.  Real bad.

He tortured that woman.  She loses consciousness, wakes up, then he tortures her again. 

Absolutely disgusting.

[Roy H.]

Any ramifications on the salary cap for dumping him?

The first year of his contract is guaranteed, so unless we trade him, we’re stuck paying him and will have his salary count against the cap / luxury tax.

Which he followed up with:

To be very clear, this is simply a guess for how this is handled in terms of the cap/contract.

Keith Smith says otherwise

My guess is that Jabari Bird will be waived by the Boston Celtics now that court proceedings have begun. Boston could petition for Adam Silver to void Bird's contract under the new domestic violence policy in the NBA. This one could go on for a bit contract-wise.

Of course, meaning he thinks they would proceed that way, but it's not questioning the ability to remove the contract off the books per the DV policy.

Except that ability isn't contained in the DV policy:

https://atlhawksfanatic.github.io/NBA-CBA/joint-nbanbpa-policy-on-domestic-violence-sexual-assault-and-child-abuse.html

[JHTruth]

Details sound like a Torture**** flick.

Scumbag. Hopefully he ends up in prison..