Jabari Bird arrested

[Moranis]

I've heard its bad.  Like real bad. 

He's done.

The woman ended up IN THE HOSPITAL people. We could be talking about War Machine here. And people are talking about mental health like he had a bad day or something.

Well the two things are not mutually exclusive.

He could be mentally ill, and the woman could have been very badly injured from what he did to her.

And who cares if he is mentally ill in that case? He's headed to jail, possibly prison, and rightfully so.

what if she was the instigator?  what if she was the main aggressor?

These are almost always complicated situations.  It is better to just let things play out before making grandiose statements about things you know nothing about.

Not sure how you can be the main aggressor if you're the one being kidnapped & borderline tortured.

based on her words.  May very well be true, but as we saw from Nick Diaz (the link in this thread) those type of allegations aren't always true.

You’re assuming there were no other witnesses. We don’t know enough to make that assumption

and that was my point from the beginning.

[Sophomore]

Deleted; just saw the mod's ask to refrain from politics.

[gift]

This may be an insensitive, although not entirely inappropriate, question. But if this whole thing is determined to be mental health related, is there any room for the Celtics to get an injury exemption for the roster spot?

Perhaps it opens up time for the 2-way guys to use up all of their eligibility with the big club. I expect the team to utilize their depth to get through the long regular season with the best chance at health for the playoffs.

[bellerephon]

I think people are getting ahead of themselves on the possibility of Bird using some sort of mental illness defense. He may very well claim, and indeed have, some sort of mental illness, but even if true it likely isn't going to be the basis for an insanity defense. Laws are pretty specific as to what sort of mental issue can qualify one to be judged not legally responsible for a criminal act. Jails are full of people with serious mental issues who have been nevertheless judged competent to stand trial and pay the price for their crimes.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I think people are getting ahead of themselves on the possibility of Bird using some sort of mental illness defense. He may very well claim, and indeed have, some sort of mental illness, but even if true it likely isn't going to be the basis for an insanity defense. Laws are pretty specific as to what sort of mental issue can qualify one to be judged not legally responsible for a criminal act. Jails are full of people with serious mental issues who have been nevertheless judged competent to stand trial and pay the price for their crimes.

If only he had affluenza.

[csfansince60s]

Has anyone read any news reports about the incident that use a masculine or feminine pronoun for the victim?

I haven't, and I find that a little odd.

A gay lover, and Bird being outed, would explain a lot, especially the 4th night stay in what is most likely the psych unit.

[Roy H.]

Has anyone read any news reports about the incident that use a masculine or feminine pronoun for the victim?

I haven't, and I find that a little odd.

A gay lover, and Bird being outed, would explain a lot, especially the 4th night stay in what is most likely the psych unit.

One of the reports indicated that in MA, cops aren't allow to confirm a lot of the details about the victim, including their gender.  Under those circumstances, I'm surprised that they acknowledged that it was a romantic partner.

[csfansince60s]

Has anyone read any news reports about the incident that use a masculine or feminine pronoun for the victim?

I haven't, and I find that a little odd.

A gay lover, and Bird being outed, would explain a lot, especially the 4th night stay in what is most likely the psych unit.

One of the reports indicated that in MA, cops aren't allow to confirm a lot of the details about the victim, including their gender.  Under those circumstances, I'm surprised that they acknowledged that it was a romantic partner.

TP, and thanx for the info.

Check this out, though pretty detailed...I find the "strangulation" sections interesting from a legal perspective.

https://www.mass.gov/files/2017-08/2017-domestic-violence-law-enforcement-guidelines.pdf

EDIT: Pretty weird, though that so few details about the incident are floating around....witnesses, circumstances, location, given the age of TMZ that we live in.

[Roy H.]

Has anyone read any news reports about the incident that use a masculine or feminine pronoun for the victim?

I haven't, and I find that a little odd.

A gay lover, and Bird being outed, would explain a lot, especially the 4th night stay in what is most likely the psych unit.

One of the reports indicated that in MA, cops aren't allow to confirm a lot of the details about the victim, including their gender.  Under those circumstances, I'm surprised that they acknowledged that it was a romantic partner.

TP, and thanx for the info.

Check this out, though pretty detailed...I find the "strangulation" sections interesting from a legal perspective.

https://www.mass.gov/files/2017-08/2017-domestic-violence-law-enforcement-guidelines.pdf

EDIT: Pretty weird, though that so few details about the incident are floating around....witnesses, circumstances, location, given the age of TMZ that we live in.

Yeah, I'm surprised that there haven't been a lot of leaks.  I'm not sure if it's the cops being tight-lipped, the media choosing not to publish, or the media being lazy.

[tazzmaniac]

Jabari is still hospitalized. 

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2018/09/boston_celtics_jabari_bird_rem_1.html

[footey]

Has anyone read any news reports about the incident that use a masculine or feminine pronoun for the victim?

I haven't, and I find that a little odd.

A gay lover, and Bird being outed, would explain a lot, especially the 4th night stay in what is most likely the psych unit.

One of the reports indicated that in MA, cops aren't allow to confirm a lot of the details about the victim, including their gender.  Under those circumstances, I'm surprised that they acknowledged that it was a romantic partner.

TP, and thanx for the info.

Check this out, though pretty detailed...I find the "strangulation" sections interesting from a legal perspective.

https://www.mass.gov/files/2017-08/2017-domestic-violence-law-enforcement-guidelines.pdf

EDIT: Pretty weird, though that so few details about the incident are floating around....witnesses, circumstances, location, given the age of TMZ that we live in.

Yeah, I'm surprised that there haven't been a lot of leaks.  I'm not sure if it's the cops being tight-lipped, the media choosing not to publish, or the media being lazy.

Media is never lazy on sensational stories like this.  1 or 2 is more likely.

[Eddie20]

Has anyone read any news reports about the incident that use a masculine or feminine pronoun for the victim?

I haven't, and I find that a little odd.

A gay lover, and Bird being outed, would explain a lot, especially the 4th night stay in what is most likely the psych unit.

One of the reports indicated that in MA, cops aren't allow to confirm a lot of the details about the victim, including their gender.  Under those circumstances, I'm surprised that they acknowledged that it was a romantic partner.

TP, and thanx for the info.

Check this out, though pretty detailed...I find the "strangulation" sections interesting from a legal perspective.

https://www.mass.gov/files/2017-08/2017-domestic-violence-law-enforcement-guidelines.pdf

EDIT: Pretty weird, though that so few details about the incident are floating around....witnesses, circumstances, location, given the age of TMZ that we live in.

Yeah, I'm surprised that there haven't been a lot of leaks.  I'm not sure if it's the cops being tight-lipped, the media choosing not to publish, or the media being lazy.

Most of the C's media is off during the next couple of weeks until training camp opens. Plus, let's not kid ourselves, Bird is a scrub. If this were Irving it would be national news. For example, if Alex Abrines would have a similar incident, would any Boston fan care?

[Moranis]

Has anyone read any news reports about the incident that use a masculine or feminine pronoun for the victim?

I haven't, and I find that a little odd.

A gay lover, and Bird being outed, would explain a lot, especially the 4th night stay in what is most likely the psych unit.

One of the reports indicated that in MA, cops aren't allow to confirm a lot of the details about the victim, including their gender.  Under those circumstances, I'm surprised that they acknowledged that it was a romantic partner.

TP, and thanx for the info.

Check this out, though pretty detailed...I find the "strangulation" sections interesting from a legal perspective.

https://www.mass.gov/files/2017-08/2017-domestic-violence-law-enforcement-guidelines.pdf

EDIT: Pretty weird, though that so few details about the incident are floating around....witnesses, circumstances, location, given the age of TMZ that we live in.

Yeah, I'm surprised that there haven't been a lot of leaks.  I'm not sure if it's the cops being tight-lipped, the media choosing not to publish, or the media being lazy.

Most of the C's media is off during the next couple of weeks until training camp opens. Plus, let's not kid ourselves, Bird is a scrub. If this were Irving it would be national news. For example, if Alex Abrines would have a similar incident, would any Boston fan care?

no, but the OKC media would be all over it.  The fact that a city the size of Boston hasn't been able to put out more information on something involving a Boston athlete is a bit odd.

[greece66]

Has anyone read any news reports about the incident that use a masculine or feminine pronoun for the victim?

I haven't, and I find that a little odd.

A gay lover, and Bird being outed, would explain a lot, especially the 4th night stay in what is most likely the psych unit.

One of the reports indicated that in MA, cops aren't allow to confirm a lot of the details about the victim, including their gender.  Under those circumstances, I'm surprised that they acknowledged that it was a romantic partner.

TP, and thanx for the info.

Check this out, though pretty detailed...I find the "strangulation" sections interesting from a legal perspective.

https://www.mass.gov/files/2017-08/2017-domestic-violence-law-enforcement-guidelines.pdf

EDIT: Pretty weird, though that so few details about the incident are floating around....witnesses, circumstances, location, given the age of TMZ that we live in.

Yeah, I'm surprised that there haven't been a lot of leaks.  I'm not sure if it's the cops being tight-lipped, the media choosing not to publish, or the media being lazy.

Most of the C's media is off during the next couple of weeks until training camp opens. Plus, let's not kid ourselves, Bird is a scrub. If this were Irving it would be national news. For example, if Alex Abrines would have a similar incident, would any Boston fan care?

no, but the OKC media would be all over it.  The fact that a city the size of Boston hasn't been able to put out more information on something involving a Boston athlete is a bit odd.

Or maybe they wait for reliable information to come out.

[bellerephon]

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