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Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #45 on: September 06, 2018, 08:09:21 AM »

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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.

source

He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.

To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.

Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasnít traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.

I donít see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period

I'm more in favor of personal accountability.

Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here

How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence? 

Kyrie hasnít been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.

The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.

Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.

The guy gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs. How is that a plus in the locker room?

I've heard this rumor, but this could be from a singular source that didn't like Kyrie. He still played hard for his team.

As another poster said, that team was a disaster. It speaks more about Lebron's leadership than Irving's. I thought Irving fell in line with Lebron's leadership, even if at times it made him icy. He couldn't take it anymore when he found out they were trying to trade him, which is when he asked for a trade.

It may be short-sighted, but Irving was a model teammate and leader last year. The young guys loved him. I think they gained a lot of confidence through his leadership on and off the court. I don't think Rozier develops that much without him. I don't think Brown develops as quickly. I don't think Tatum shoots as well.
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Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #46 on: September 06, 2018, 08:59:53 AM »

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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.

source

He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.

To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.

Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasnít traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.

I donít see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period

I'm more in favor of personal accountability.

Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here

How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence? 

Kyrie hasnít been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.

The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.

Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.

The guy gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs. How is that a plus in the locker room?

I've heard this rumor, but this could be from a singular source that didn't like Kyrie. He still played hard for his team.

As another poster said, that team was a disaster. It speaks more about Lebron's leadership than Irving's. I thought Irving fell in line with Lebron's leadership, even if at times it made him icy. He couldn't take it anymore when he found out they were trying to trade him, which is when he asked for a trade.

It may be short-sighted, but Irving was a model teammate and leader last year. The young guys loved him. I think they gained a lot of confidence through his leadership on and off the court. I don't think Rozier develops that much without him. I don't think Brown develops as quickly. I don't think Tatum shoots as well.
Dave McMenamin put it out there, but it does appear his source was James Jones, who is obviously a Lebron guy.  that said no one refuted it either, including Kyrie.

Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #47 on: September 06, 2018, 09:45:05 AM »

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1.Wizard is Wall's team all alone, he has all the power
2.Wall doesn't have a problem with Wizard, unlike Irving being sick of his team's viral enviroment

Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #48 on: September 06, 2018, 12:00:48 PM »

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You know what's cool about giving that team the silent treatment, though? It means Kyrie doesn't like our biggest rival. Fine by me. Waiters has been polarizing on 3 teams already? Weak points.
As for Wall not having problem with Wizards? Serious question, have you ever seen a Wizards game? Gortat is off the team. Gortat has no documented attitude issues. The Wizards were better without Wall because they passed - Wall's primary strength is speed. He averages a lot of assists but it's because he one-on-ones and tosses hero passes. He constantly frowns and appears to be pleading with teammates. Bradley Beal is better at this point. I wouldn't trade Rozier for Wall. Let's say Irving and Wall both go out (separately) for dinner with Tatum, Brown, Hayward, and Horford. Which group gets a long better?
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Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #49 on: September 06, 2018, 01:59:35 PM »

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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.

source

He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.

To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.

Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasnít traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.

I donít see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period

I'm more in favor of personal accountability.

Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here

How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence? 

Kyrie hasnít been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.

The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.

Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.

The guy gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs. How is that a plus in the locker room?

I've heard this rumor, but this could be from a singular source that didn't like Kyrie. He still played hard for his team.

As another poster said, that team was a disaster. It speaks more about Lebron's leadership than Irving's. I thought Irving fell in line with Lebron's leadership, even if at times it made him icy. He couldn't take it anymore when he found out they were trying to trade him, which is when he asked for a trade.

It may be short-sighted, but Irving was a model teammate and leader last year. The young guys loved him. I think they gained a lot of confidence through his leadership on and off the court. I don't think Rozier develops that much without him. I don't think Brown develops as quickly. I don't think Tatum shoots as well.
Dave McMenamin put it out there, but it does appear his source was James Jones, who is obviously a Lebron guy.  that said no one refuted it either, including Kyrie.

Yeah, I get it, but grown men don't respond to every accusation.
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Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #50 on: September 07, 2018, 12:22:59 PM »

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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.

source

He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.

To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.

Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasnít traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.

I donít see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period

I'm more in favor of personal accountability.

Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here

How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence? 

Kyrie hasnít been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.

The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.

Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.

The guy gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs. How is that a plus in the locker room?

I've heard this rumor, but this could be from a singular source that didn't like Kyrie. He still played hard for his team.

As another poster said, that team was a disaster. It speaks more about Lebron's leadership than Irving's. I thought Irving fell in line with Lebron's leadership, even if at times it made him icy. He couldn't take it anymore when he found out they were trying to trade him, which is when he asked for a trade.

It may be short-sighted, but Irving was a model teammate and leader last year. The young guys loved him. I think they gained a lot of confidence through his leadership on and off the court. I don't think Rozier develops that much without him. I don't think Brown develops as quickly. I don't think Tatum shoots as well.
Dave McMenamin put it out there, but it does appear his source was James Jones, who is obviously a Lebron guy.  that said no one refuted it either, including Kyrie.

Yeah, I get it, but grown men don't respond to every accusation.
Sure, but that one is pretty [dang]ing and came from a credible and connected source.  This wasn't just some social media loon putting it out there. 

Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #51 on: September 07, 2018, 05:51:00 PM »

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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.

source

He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.

To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.

Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasnít traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.

I donít see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period

I'm more in favor of personal accountability.

Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here

How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence? 

Kyrie hasnít been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.

The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.

Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.

The guy gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs. How is that a plus in the locker room?

I've heard this rumor, but this could be from a singular source that didn't like Kyrie. He still played hard for his team.

As another poster said, that team was a disaster. It speaks more about Lebron's leadership than Irving's. I thought Irving fell in line with Lebron's leadership, even if at times it made him icy. He couldn't take it anymore when he found out they were trying to trade him, which is when he asked for a trade.

It may be short-sighted, but Irving was a model teammate and leader last year. The young guys loved him. I think they gained a lot of confidence through his leadership on and off the court. I don't think Rozier develops that much without him. I don't think Brown develops as quickly. I don't think Tatum shoots as well.
Dave McMenamin put it out there, but it does appear his source was James Jones, who is obviously a Lebron guy.  that said no one refuted it either, including Kyrie.

Yeah, I get it, but grown men don't respond to every accusation.
Sure, but that one is pretty [dang]ing and came from a credible and connected source.  This wasn't just some social media loon putting it out there.
I am the supporter of "treat them the way they treat you", obviously Irving ain't happy in Cleveland cause it's Lebrons team and if he felt to be disrespected i am all for him to respond


Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #52 on: September 07, 2018, 06:22:16 PM »

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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.

source

He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.

To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.

Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasnít traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.

I donít see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period

I'm more in favor of personal accountability.

Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here

How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence? 

Kyrie hasnít been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.

The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.

Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.

The guy gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs. How is that a plus in the locker room?

I've heard this rumor, but this could be from a singular source that didn't like Kyrie. He still played hard for his team.

As another poster said, that team was a disaster. It speaks more about Lebron's leadership than Irving's. I thought Irving fell in line with Lebron's leadership, even if at times it made him icy. He couldn't take it anymore when he found out they were trying to trade him, which is when he asked for a trade.

It may be short-sighted, but Irving was a model teammate and leader last year. The young guys loved him. I think they gained a lot of confidence through his leadership on and off the court. I don't think Rozier develops that much without him. I don't think Brown develops as quickly. I don't think Tatum shoots as well.
Dave McMenamin put it out there, but it does appear his source was James Jones, who is obviously a Lebron guy.  that said no one refuted it either, including Kyrie.

Yeah, I get it, but grown men don't respond to every accusation.
Sure, but that one is pretty [dang]ing and came from a credible and connected source.  This wasn't just some social media loon putting it out there.
I am the supporter of "treat them the way they treat you", obviously Irving ain't happy in Cleveland cause it's Lebrons team and if he felt to be disrespected i am all for him to respond

So, if he feels disrespected by Lebron, he should ice out Thompson, Love, etc.?


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Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #53 on: September 07, 2018, 06:55:52 PM »

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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.

source

He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.

To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.

Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasnít traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.

I donít see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period

I'm more in favor of personal accountability.

Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here

How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence? 

Kyrie hasnít been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.

The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.

Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.

The guy gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs. How is that a plus in the locker room?

I've heard this rumor, but this could be from a singular source that didn't like Kyrie. He still played hard for his team.

As another poster said, that team was a disaster. It speaks more about Lebron's leadership than Irving's. I thought Irving fell in line with Lebron's leadership, even if at times it made him icy. He couldn't take it anymore when he found out they were trying to trade him, which is when he asked for a trade.

It may be short-sighted, but Irving was a model teammate and leader last year. The young guys loved him. I think they gained a lot of confidence through his leadership on and off the court. I don't think Rozier develops that much without him. I don't think Brown develops as quickly. I don't think Tatum shoots as well.
Dave McMenamin put it out there, but it does appear his source was James Jones, who is obviously a Lebron guy.  that said no one refuted it either, including Kyrie.

Yeah, I get it, but grown men don't respond to every accusation.
Sure, but that one is pretty [dang]ing and came from a credible and connected source.  This wasn't just some social media loon putting it out there.
I am the supporter of "treat them the way they treat you", obviously Irving ain't happy in Cleveland cause it's Lebrons team and if he felt to be disrespected i am all for him to respond

So, if he feels disrespected by Lebron, he should ice out Thompson, Love, etc.?
??"treat them the way they treat you" am i not clear enough??

Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #54 on: September 07, 2018, 07:37:36 PM »

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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.

source

He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.

To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.

Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasnít traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.

I donít see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period

I'm more in favor of personal accountability.

Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here

How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence? 

Kyrie hasnít been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.

The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.

Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.

The guy gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs. How is that a plus in the locker room?

I've heard this rumor, but this could be from a singular source that didn't like Kyrie. He still played hard for his team.

As another poster said, that team was a disaster. It speaks more about Lebron's leadership than Irving's. I thought Irving fell in line with Lebron's leadership, even if at times it made him icy. He couldn't take it anymore when he found out they were trying to trade him, which is when he asked for a trade.

It may be short-sighted, but Irving was a model teammate and leader last year. The young guys loved him. I think they gained a lot of confidence through his leadership on and off the court. I don't think Rozier develops that much without him. I don't think Brown develops as quickly. I don't think Tatum shoots as well.
Dave McMenamin put it out there, but it does appear his source was James Jones, who is obviously a Lebron guy.  that said no one refuted it either, including Kyrie.

Yeah, I get it, but grown men don't respond to every accusation.
Sure, but that one is pretty [dang]ing and came from a credible and connected source.  This wasn't just some social media loon putting it out there.
I am the supporter of "treat them the way they treat you", obviously Irving ain't happy in Cleveland cause it's Lebrons team and if he felt to be disrespected i am all for him to respond

So, if he feels disrespected by Lebron, he should ice out Thompson, Love, etc.?
??"treat them the way they treat you" am i not clear enough??

Honestly, no, you werenít particularly clear.

So youíre saying that Kyrie should *not* give his teammates the cold shoulder?  Or,íbecause he felt ďdisrespected ď, anything goes?


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Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #55 on: September 07, 2018, 08:18:18 PM »

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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.

source

He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.

To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.

Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasnít traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.

I donít see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period

I'm more in favor of personal accountability.

Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here

How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence? 

Kyrie hasnít been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.

The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.

Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.

The guy gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs. How is that a plus in the locker room?

I've heard this rumor, but this could be from a singular source that didn't like Kyrie. He still played hard for his team.

As another poster said, that team was a disaster. It speaks more about Lebron's leadership than Irving's. I thought Irving fell in line with Lebron's leadership, even if at times it made him icy. He couldn't take it anymore when he found out they were trying to trade him, which is when he asked for a trade.

It may be short-sighted, but Irving was a model teammate and leader last year. The young guys loved him. I think they gained a lot of confidence through his leadership on and off the court. I don't think Rozier develops that much without him. I don't think Brown develops as quickly. I don't think Tatum shoots as well.
Dave McMenamin put it out there, but it does appear his source was James Jones, who is obviously a Lebron guy.  that said no one refuted it either, including Kyrie.

Yeah, I get it, but grown men don't respond to every accusation.
Sure, but that one is pretty [dang]ing and came from a credible and connected source.  This wasn't just some social media loon putting it out there.
I am the supporter of "treat them the way they treat you", obviously Irving ain't happy in Cleveland cause it's Lebrons team and if he felt to be disrespected i am all for him to respond

So, if he feels disrespected by Lebron, he should ice out Thompson, Love, etc.?
??"treat them the way they treat you" am i not clear enough??

Honestly, no, you werenít particularly clear.

So youíre saying that Kyrie should *not* give his teammates the cold shoulder?  Or,íbecause he felt ďdisrespected ď, anything goes?
If he felt disrespected by whoever i'm in for him to not showing respect back, whoever they are

Kyrie gave his Cavs teammates cold attitude before he ask for trade , there is a reason which none of us know but since i know how he treat his coach/GM/teammates differently in Bos i assume he has good reason to do it, like being treated disrespectful and it's easy to imagine their teammates to side with Lebron against Kyrie since it's Lebron's team

Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #56 on: September 08, 2018, 06:01:50 AM »

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No thanks.

I'll take / keep Little Mountain.

Little Mountain put up a BIG performance in the Finals before and is proven.

Can't wait to see him pairing with GH, Big Al, Tatum, Brown, Smart and the rest of this talented team.

We are going to do GREAT things next season and Kyrie Irving will be at the helm.
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Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #57 on: September 08, 2018, 10:43:59 AM »

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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.

source

He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.

To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.

Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasnít traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.

I donít see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period

I'm more in favor of personal accountability.

Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here

How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence? 

Kyrie hasnít been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.

The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.

Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.

The guy gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs. How is that a plus in the locker room?

I've heard this rumor, but this could be from a singular source that didn't like Kyrie. He still played hard for his team.

As another poster said, that team was a disaster. It speaks more about Lebron's leadership than Irving's. I thought Irving fell in line with Lebron's leadership, even if at times it made him icy. He couldn't take it anymore when he found out they were trying to trade him, which is when he asked for a trade.

It may be short-sighted, but Irving was a model teammate and leader last year. The young guys loved him. I think they gained a lot of confidence through his leadership on and off the court. I don't think Rozier develops that much without him. I don't think Brown develops as quickly. I don't think Tatum shoots as well.
Dave McMenamin put it out there, but it does appear his source was James Jones, who is obviously a Lebron guy.  that said no one refuted it either, including Kyrie.

Yeah, I get it, but grown men don't respond to every accusation.
Sure, but that one is pretty [dang]ing and came from a credible and connected source.  This wasn't just some social media loon putting it out there.
I am the supporter of "treat them the way they treat you", obviously Irving ain't happy in Cleveland cause it's Lebrons team and if he felt to be disrespected i am all for him to respond

So, if he feels disrespected by Lebron, he should ice out Thompson, Love, etc.?
??"treat them the way they treat you" am i not clear enough??

Honestly, no, you werenít particularly clear.

So youíre saying that Kyrie should *not* give his teammates the cold shoulder?  Or,íbecause he felt ďdisrespected ď, anything goes?
If he felt disrespected by whoever i'm in for him to not showing respect back, whoever they are

Kyrie gave his Cavs teammates cold attitude before he ask for trade , there is a reason which none of us know but since i know how he treat his coach/GM/teammates differently in Bos i assume he has good reason to do it, like being treated disrespectful and it's easy to imagine their teammates to side with Lebron against Kyrie since it's Lebron's team
He didn't talk to his teammates in the middle of the playoffs.  This wasn't him icing them out after the season was over, he did it in the middle of a playoff run. 

Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #58 on: September 08, 2018, 11:20:41 AM »

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LOL so I admittedly haven't been on here the last few weeks because I was busy but also because pretty much it was the "boring time" between end of FA and the start of the season.

I decide to pop in today, and the first thing I see is this trade idea proposal with such a (understandably) lopsided poll. Love you Celticsblog fam!  :P :laugh:
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Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #59 on: September 08, 2018, 01:46:21 PM »

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I don't hold locker room drama in Cleveland against Kyrie. That entire locker room and organization were dysfunctional. We know that. It was even worse this past season with Irving gone.

Kyrie was spoken of very highly by everyone in the Celtics organization last year and is always spoken of highly by USA basketball teammates and coaches and, if I remember correctly, was never a locker room problem pre-Lebron's return.

Maybe Wall would be better too if he was removed from the Washington situation (or maybe shipping out Gortat will do the trick) but he does seem like a more difficult guy to deal with.

Anyway, 95% no on the poll.
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