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Would you trade Irving for Wall?

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Maybe
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Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2018, 12:50:10 PM »

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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.

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He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.

To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.

Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasnít traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.

I donít see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
Where was he for game 7?

Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2018, 01:16:35 PM »

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Why?????

Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #32 on: September 05, 2018, 01:48:45 PM »

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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.

source

He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.

To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.

Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasnít traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.

I donít see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
Where was he for game 7?
Having surgery that was scheduled ahead of time where the doctor was a specialist and had a very tight schedule. That has been answered on this blog enough times it's nauseating. No one in the organization had a problem with it except fans looking to complain about something. What was he supposed to do? Cancel it and then not have it scheduled until the recovery time caused him not to be ready for this season?

Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #33 on: September 05, 2018, 02:56:17 PM »

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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.

source

He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.

To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.

Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasnít traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.

I donít see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period

(puts green goggles on) Also, Kyrie never slapped Crowder in the face.

Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #34 on: September 05, 2018, 03:01:35 PM »

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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.

source

He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.

To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.

Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasnít traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.

I donít see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period

Then shouldn't people blame Wall's locker room clashes on Washington?

I'm more in favor of personal accountability.


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Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #35 on: September 05, 2018, 03:04:41 PM »

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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.

source

He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.

To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.

Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasnít traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.

I donít see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period

I'm more in favor of personal accountability.

Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.

Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #36 on: September 05, 2018, 05:51:36 PM »

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gross.

Irving and its not even close.
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Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #37 on: September 05, 2018, 06:07:14 PM »

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Is like trading MJ for Nick Young

Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #38 on: September 05, 2018, 07:44:40 PM »

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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.

source

He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.

To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.

Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasnít traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.

I donít see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period

I'm more in favor of personal accountability.

Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here

Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #39 on: September 05, 2018, 10:45:31 PM »

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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.

source

He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.

To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.

Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasnít traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.

I donít see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period

I'm more in favor of personal accountability.

Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here

How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence? 

Kyrie hasnít been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.


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Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #40 on: September 05, 2018, 11:18:27 PM »

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I donít think Iíve ever hated a trade idea more.

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Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #41 on: September 05, 2018, 11:20:31 PM »

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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.

source

He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.

To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.

Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasnít traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.

I donít see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period

I'm more in favor of personal accountability.

Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here

How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence? 

Kyrie hasnít been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.

The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.

Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.
Most talent in the league. We don't want or need AD.

Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #42 on: September 05, 2018, 11:27:01 PM »

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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.

source

He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.

To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.

Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasnít traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.

I donít see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period

I'm more in favor of personal accountability.

Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here

How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence? 

Kyrie hasnít been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.

The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.

Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.

The guy gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs. How is that a plus in the locker room?


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Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #43 on: September 06, 2018, 03:33:57 AM »

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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.

source

He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.

To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.

Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasn’t traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.

I don’t see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period

I'm more in favor of personal accountability.

Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here

How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence? 

Kyrie hasn’t been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.

The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.

Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.

The guy gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs. How is that a plus in the locker room?
He wasn't a plus in that locker room, but that locker room was LeBron's, who to acknowledge his "dominance" and leadership, left "his team" after being a player/quasi-coach/quasi-GM there. He spent their draft picks and grossly overpaid some players (TT, JR) to help his player agency (Clutch sports). When players try to be more than players - they usually suck at it. And Lebron is a great example of it. To digress, MJ is probably the GOAT in that regard too.

Kyrie didn't like that. He is a player that plays, he likes his coach Stevens to coach and his GM Ainge to manage the team. He has a very healthy approach and I share his view of how a team should function. Duncan and Spurs included.
Voting results are: 95% say no the idea (very convincing), one member along with Moranis (who still has his feelings hurt) said yes and one other member is undecided.

By my standards, Mo' is not a Celtic fan. I admit here, in Croatia, fandom is closer to fanaticism than to classical rooting for a team, and maybe many won't agree with me. But what is intriguing to me is why we, the Celtic fans are responding to a disappointed Cavs fan with such zeal, day after day. We will never make him understand this, for us a very plain thing, he doesn't want to accept it, even with the year behind us. We also probably shouldn't. He should root for his team, just like we will root for our team, even though he is a CB moderator. He obviously has that right.

Anyway - 65-17. HC in the finals, banner 18.
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Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #44 on: September 06, 2018, 07:56:45 AM »

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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.

source

He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.

To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.

Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasnít traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.

I donít see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period

I'm more in favor of personal accountability.

Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here

How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence? 

Kyrie hasnít been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.

The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.

Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.

The guy gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs. How is that a plus in the locker room?
He wasn't a plus in that locker room, but that locker room was LeBron's, who to acknowledge his "dominance" and leadership, left "his team" after being a player/quasi-coach/quasi-GM there. He spent their draft picks and grossly overpaid some players (TT, JR) to help his player agency (Clutch sports). When players try to be more than players - they usually suck at it. And Lebron is a great example of it. To digress, MJ is probably the GOAT in that regard too.

Kyrie didn't like that. He is a player that plays, he likes his coach Stevens to coach and his GM Ainge to manage the team. He has a very healthy approach and I share his view of how a team should function. Duncan and Spurs included.
Voting results are: 95% say no the idea (very convincing), one member along with Moranis (who still has his feelings hurt) said yes and one other member is undecided.

By my standards, Mo' is not a Celtic fan. I admit here, in Croatia, fandom is closer to fanaticism than to classical rooting for a team, and maybe many won't agree with me. But what is intriguing to me is why we, the Celtic fans are responding to a disappointed Cavs fan with such zeal, day after day. We will never make him understand this, for us a very plain thing, he doesn't want to accept it, even with the year behind us. We also probably shouldn't. He should root for his team, just like we will root for our team, even though he is a CB moderator. He obviously has that right.

Anyway - 65-17. HC in the finals, banner 18.

A few things: 

1.  "He wasn't a plus in that locker room".  That's what I'm getting at.  He wasn't a plus in the pre-Lebron Cavs locker room, either.  He was last year, as he seems to have the respect of his teammates.  A one year track record isn't enough to add leadership / chemistry-building as a positive skill for him in my opinion;

2.  I think Kyrie has a healthy interest in branding.  He's not Lebron in that regard, but he has sponsorships and businesses that he prioritizes, as well.  I do agree that to date we haven't seen him trying to mess with Brad or Danny, though.

3.  In terms of the poll, I mentioned above that I wouldn't make the trade, either.  But, that doesn't mean that Kyrie is better than Wall across the board, or that he doesn't have flaws.  I think it's fair to point out respective strengths, weaknesses, and areas where each player is just average.

4.  Please keep these discussions about arguments, not posters, and please don't question fanhood.  It goes for all members, not just Moranis (who takes an inordinate amount of grief for his opinions, but stays civil.) 

5.  65-17 and a title works for me. 


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