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Would you trade Irving for Wall?

Yes
2 (2.4%)
No
77 (92.8%)
Maybe
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Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2018, 07:05:11 PM »

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Terrible contract. Seemingly awful guy to play with. Older than Kyrie.

Oh yeah, and isnít a better player than Kyrie. So no

Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2018, 07:33:55 PM »

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So far 24 no, 0 yes and a maybe. I guess Celticsblog has spoken.

Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2018, 08:43:56 PM »

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Make that 28 saying no, still that 1 maybe and 1 yes?  Someone's CB license should be revoked.   :police:

Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2018, 09:12:14 PM »

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I wish we could combine them into one player.

Wall is a significantly better passer and defender.

Kyrie is a significantly better / more efficient scorer and shooter.

Neither seems like a fantastic leader, as each has been a bit prickly with teammates at times.

I see the appeal for acquiring Wall.  With scorers like Hayward and Tatum, Kyrie's elite scoring is arguably less important than defense and having more of a facilitator.  But, if it's not broke, don't fix it at this point, unless a trade is clearly in our favor.
Irving is a better shooter but as I mentioned in the Lillard thread he only scores around 1.26 points per shot.  Wall is at 1.19 in large part because he gets to the line so much more frequently, which not only increases his scoring efficiency but helps put the other team in foul trouble.  Given Wall is a significantly better passer and defender, in a vacuum I'd rather have him as he is the better player.  However, this isn't a vacuum and given age and contract you stick with Irving.

Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2018, 11:04:02 PM »

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I wish we could combine them into one player.

Wall is a significantly better passer and defender.

Kyrie is a significantly better / more efficient scorer and shooter.

Neither seems like a fantastic leader, as each has been a bit prickly with teammates at times.

I see the appeal for acquiring Wall.  With scorers like Hayward and Tatum, Kyrie's elite scoring is arguably less important than defense and having more of a facilitator.  But, if it's not broke, don't fix it at this point, unless a trade is clearly in our favor.
Irving is a better shooter but as I mentioned in the Lillard thread he only scores around 1.26 points per shot.  Wall is at 1.19 in large part because he gets to the line so much more frequently, which not only increases his scoring efficiency but helps put the other team in foul trouble.  Given Wall is a significantly better passer and defender, in a vacuum I'd rather have him as he is the better player.  However, this isn't a vacuum and given age and contract you stick with Irving.
Wall is not a better passer than Kyrie lol,Wall is only good at iso defense so they are about even in defense, also in playoffs it's the shooting not fouls you want, see Harden

Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2018, 03:25:27 AM »

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I wish we could combine them into one player.

Wall is a significantly better passer and defender.

Kyrie is a significantly better / more efficient scorer and shooter.

Neither seems like a fantastic leader, as each has been a bit prickly with teammates at times.

I see the appeal for acquiring Wall.  With scorers like Hayward and Tatum, Kyrie's elite scoring is arguably less important than defense and having more of a facilitator.  But, if it's not broke, don't fix it at this point, unless a trade is clearly in our favor.
Irving is a better shooter but as I mentioned in the Lillard thread he only scores around 1.26 points per shot.  Wall is at 1.19 in large part because he gets to the line so much more frequently, which not only increases his scoring efficiency but helps put the other team in foul trouble.  Given Wall is a significantly better passer and defender, in a vacuum I'd rather have him as he is the better player.  However, this isn't a vacuum and given age and contract you stick with Irving.
Wall is not a better passer than Kyrie lol,Wall is only good at iso defense so they are about even in defense, also in playoffs it's the shooting not fouls you want, see Harden
Walls defense has been greatly overrated over the last 3 years. He gives half effort 90% of the time. Other 10% highlights that repetitive display make fans believe he is just that. And he isn't. His team peaked at 41-49 wins in the last 5 years. And that is just a tad better than an NBA purgatory.  He had a decent, but not great supporting cast, one of the best in the East. He couldn't beat us 2 years ago, in his peak.  Also, he is breaking down, he can't shoot and he thinks he is MJ. His contract is one of the scariest in the league and he is one injury away from being worse than Rozier. Also, he won't age well injuries/no range.

I'd take Kemba over Wall any day of the week.
And I'd take Kyrie over Kemba 8 days a week.
This trade proposal is beyond my comprehension.
And poll results confirm it.
"The joy of the balling under the rims."

Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2018, 04:14:10 AM »

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I wish we could combine them into one player.

Wall is a significantly better passer and defender.

Kyrie is a significantly better / more efficient scorer and shooter.

Neither seems like a fantastic leader, as each has been a bit prickly with teammates at times.

I see the appeal for acquiring Wall.  With scorers like Hayward and Tatum, Kyrie's elite scoring is arguably less important than defense and having more of a facilitator.  But, if it's not broke, don't fix it at this point, unless a trade is clearly in our favor.
Irving is a better shooter but as I mentioned in the Lillard thread he only scores around 1.26 points per shot.  Wall is at 1.19 in large part because he gets to the line so much more frequently, which not only increases his scoring efficiency but helps put the other team in foul trouble.  Given Wall is a significantly better passer and defender, in a vacuum I'd rather have him as he is the better player.  However, this isn't a vacuum and given age and contract you stick with Irving.
Wall is not a better passer than Kyrie lol,Wall is only good at iso defense so they are about even in defense, also in playoffs it's the shooting not fouls you want, see Harden
Walls defense has been greatly overrated over the last 3 years. He gives half effort 90% of the time. Other 10% highlights that repetitive display make fans believe he is just that. And he isn't. His team peaked at 41-49 wins in the last 5 years. And that is just a tad better than an NBA purgatory.  He had a decent, but not great supporting cast, one of the best in the East. He couldn't beat us 2 years ago, in his peak.  Also, he is breaking down, he can't shoot and he thinks he is MJ. His contract is one of the scariest in the league and he is one injury away from being worse than Rozier. Also, he won't age well injuries/no range.

I'd take Kemba over Wall any day of the week.
And I'd take Kyrie over Kemba 8 days a week.
This trade proposal is beyond my comprehension.
And poll results confirm it.
100% agree. Wall is so severely overrated because he puts up empty numbers

Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2018, 10:24:07 AM »

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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.

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He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.

To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.

Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2018, 10:40:43 AM »

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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.

source

He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.

To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.

Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasnít traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.

I donít see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.


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Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2018, 10:41:20 AM »

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Wall is not a better passer than Kyrie lol,

Is this sarcasm?


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Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2018, 11:03:12 AM »

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How many Trade idea Irving threads before the end of next June? I am banging my head against the Wall with each passing one!

In the playoffs and finals, there is nobody in the Eastern Conference I would rather have shoot the ball at the end of the game with everything on the line and his name does not contain the letter W in it.

Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2018, 11:05:36 AM »

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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.

source

He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.

To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.

Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasnít traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.

I donít see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.

Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2018, 11:11:50 AM »

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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.

source

He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.

To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.

Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasn’t traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.

I don’t see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
"The joy of the balling under the rims."

Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2018, 11:31:13 AM »

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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.

source

He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.

To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.

Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasnít traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.

I donít see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period

Re: Trade idea: Irving for Wall
« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2018, 11:32:57 AM »

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In fantasy basketball, Wall. In real life basketball, Kyrie

 

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