Wall is not a better passer than Kyrie lol,Wall is only good at iso defense so they are about even in defense, also in playoffs it's the shooting not fouls you want, see Harden
I wish we could combine them into one player.Irving is a better shooter but as I mentioned in the Lillard thread he only scores around 1.26 points per shot. Wall is at 1.19 in large part because he gets to the line so much more frequently, which not only increases his scoring efficiency but helps put the other team in foul trouble. Given Wall is a significantly better passer and defender, in a vacuum I'd rather have him as he is the better player. However, this isn't a vacuum and given age and contract you stick with Irving.
Wall is a significantly better passer and defender.
Kyrie is a significantly better / more efficient scorer and shooter.
Neither seems like a fantastic leader, as each has been a bit prickly with teammates at times.
I see the appeal for acquiring Wall. With scorers like Hayward and Tatum, Kyrie's elite scoring is arguably less important than defense and having more of a facilitator. But, if it's not broke, don't fix it at this point, unless a trade is clearly in our favor.
Walls defense has been greatly overrated over the last 3 years. He gives half effort 90% of the time. Other 10% highlights that repetitive display make fans believe he is just that. And he isn't. His team peaked at 41-49
wins in the last 5 years. And that is just a tad better than an NBA purgatory. He had a decent, but not great supporting cast, one of the best in the East. He couldn't beat us 2 years ago, in his peak. Also, he is breaking down, he can't shoot and he thinks he is MJ. His contract is one of the scariest in the league and he is one injury away from being worse than Rozier. Also, he won't age well injuries/no range.
I'd take Kemba over Wall any day of the week.
And I'd take Kyrie over Kemba 8 days a week.
This trade proposal is beyond my comprehension.
And poll results confirm it.