Ben Simmons wins Rookie of the Year

[saltlover]

No big deal, the award is pretty meaningless anyway. Tatum was the best rookie in the playoffs easily which to me is the bigger yardstick than the regular season.

Tatum, Mitchell and Simmons are probably all going to turn out to be great players.

No it's not a big deal BUT if this person seriously thinks there were 5 better rookies than Tatum then this person really doesn't deserve to vote again. I would seriously like to see what 5 players he/she thinks had a better season. Is it someone in a city with an agenda?

Salt - now that would be very funny if the person in question voted both Tatum & Ojeleye for 2nd team. That person should not only be stripped of voting privileges but should be committed.

He was talking that ROY is no big deal that Tatum finished behind Mitchell and Simmons, and not about the absurd all-rookie voter.

[tarheelsxxiii]

Simmons deserved ROY.

He was not a true rookie.  A year in the weight room and practicing makes for a big competitive edge.   The only reason they let these guys still classify as rookies is that they spent a ton of marketing dollars on them...

and being hurt and missing an entire year of basketball is a negative.  It works both ways.

Very good point.  And had last year been his rookie season, he would have needed to beat out Brogdon for the award.  Poorly reasoned argument that he didnt deserve it.

[fairweatherfan]

It's kinda funny that Embiid was in the same "not a rookie" situation x2 last year, and looked like the winner much of the year, but it was never really a controversy because the rest of the field was so mediocre.  And maybe because people find him more likable.

[saltlover]

It's kinda funny that Embiid was in the same "not a rookie" situation x2 last year, and looked like the winner much of the year, but it was never really a controversy because the rest of the field was so mediocre.  And maybe because people find him more likable.

I think part of the controversy also stems from the fact that the Sixers are believed to have held Simmons out towards the end of last season to keep him eligible this year.

[celticsclay]

It's kinda funny that Embiid was in the same "not a rookie" situation x2 last year, and looked like the winner much of the year, but it was never really a controversy because the rest of the field was so mediocre.  And maybe because people find him more likable.

I think part of the controversy also stems from the fact that the Sixers are believed to have held Simmons out towards the end of last season to keep him eligible this year.

I believe this was actually admitted by one of colangelo burner account

[Donoghus]

It's kinda funny that Embiid was in the same "not a rookie" situation x2 last year, and looked like the winner much of the year, but it was never really a controversy because the rest of the field was so mediocre.  And maybe because people find him more likable.

I think part of the controversy also stems from the fact that the Sixers are believed to have held Simmons out towards the end of last season to keep him eligible this year.

I believe this was actually admitted by one of colangelo burner account

I wouldn't say its definitively concluded but certainly suggested by a burner account.

http://thecomeback.com/nba/bryan-colangelo-burner-ben-simmons.html

[tazzmaniac]

It's kinda funny that Embiid was in the same "not a rookie" situation x2 last year, and looked like the winner much of the year, but it was never really a controversy because the rest of the field was so mediocre.  And maybe because people find him more likable.

I think part of the controversy also stems from the fact that the Sixers are believed to have held Simmons out towards the end of last season to keep him eligible this year.

They held him out because Embiid was injured and they were tanking hard by the time Simmons was ready.  Also while Simmons may have been healthy enough to play, he wasn't ready to be their PG.  Coach Brown spent the whole summer coaching him up to be their PG.  People may not like it but it would have made no sense to bring him back for 10 to 15 games at the end of the season.     

[tarheelsxxiii]

It's kinda funny that Embiid was in the same "not a rookie" situation x2 last year, and looked like the winner much of the year, but it was never really a controversy because the rest of the field was so mediocre.  And maybe because people find him more likable.

I think part of the controversy also stems from the fact that the Sixers are believed to have held Simmons out towards the end of last season to keep him eligible this year.

They held him out because Embiid was injured and they were tanking hard by the time Simmons was ready.  Also while Simmons may have been healthy enough to play, he wasn't ready to be their PG.  Coach Brown spent the whole summer coaching him up to be their PG.  People may not like it but it would have made no sense to bring him back for 10 to 15 games at the end of the season.   

Exactly.  And you have players sitting mearly a whole season, or missing the playoffs due to discomfort + poor decision making.  Yet we are criticizing another Philly player because... Philly.

[saltlover]

It's kinda funny that Embiid was in the same "not a rookie" situation x2 last year, and looked like the winner much of the year, but it was never really a controversy because the rest of the field was so mediocre.  And maybe because people find him more likable.

I think part of the controversy also stems from the fact that the Sixers are believed to have held Simmons out towards the end of last season to keep him eligible this year.

They held him out because Embiid was injured and they were tanking hard by the time Simmons was ready.  Also while Simmons may have been healthy enough to play, he wasn't ready to be their PG.  Coach Brown spent the whole summer coaching him up to be their PG.  People may not like it but it would have made no sense to bring him back for 10 to 15 games at the end of the season.   

It would have made fine sense to get a player 10-15 games of NBA action so he could hit the ground running the following year.  The only reason it didn’t was because they wanted to preserve award eligibility, period.

The real issue is that the NBA needs to consider redefining eligibility.  For example, will players on 2-way contracts be eligible their first true NBA season, or not?  They will be credited with zero NBA service time (unlikely Simmons) but may have played a few hundred minutes in the NBA (also unlike Simmons).

It’s unlikely that a 2-way player will be worthy of winning, but it’s not out of the realm of possibility they could be worthy of All-Rookie honors.

[fairweatherfan]

It's kinda funny that Embiid was in the same "not a rookie" situation x2 last year, and looked like the winner much of the year, but it was never really a controversy because the rest of the field was so mediocre.  And maybe because people find him more likable.

I think part of the controversy also stems from the fact that the Sixers are believed to have held Simmons out towards the end of last season to keep him eligible this year.

They held him out because Embiid was injured and they were tanking hard by the time Simmons was ready.  Also while Simmons may have been healthy enough to play, he wasn't ready to be their PG.  Coach Brown spent the whole summer coaching him up to be their PG.  People may not like it but it would have made no sense to bring him back for 10 to 15 games at the end of the season.   

I'm neutral on the whole thing, it's just interesting that we had similar scenarios back-to-back on the same team but it was only a thing - and a major thing - this time around.

[Vermont Green]

I think Simmons is a really good player.  I have no problems with him winning ROY.  He has limited shooting range which is no small flaw but almost everything else is off the charts good.  Court awareness, length, athleticism result in a rare combination for someone as big as him.

I suspect his shooting will improve but even if it doesn't, he can still be a 6-10 Rajon Rondo.

With Tatum, let's see how much muscle he can add this off season.  He had a terrific rookie run, no doubt.  Similar to Simmons, even if he is not able to add the needed muscle/bulk (as Simmons needs to add shooting touch), he will still be very good.  The floor is very high for both these guys as is of course the ceiling.

[tazzmaniac]

It's kinda funny that Embiid was in the same "not a rookie" situation x2 last year, and looked like the winner much of the year, but it was never really a controversy because the rest of the field was so mediocre.  And maybe because people find him more likable.

I think part of the controversy also stems from the fact that the Sixers are believed to have held Simmons out towards the end of last season to keep him eligible this year.

They held him out because Embiid was injured and they were tanking hard by the time Simmons was ready.  Also while Simmons may have been healthy enough to play, he wasn't ready to be their PG.  Coach Brown spent the whole summer coaching him up to be their PG.  People may not like it but it would have made no sense to bring him back for 10 to 15 games at the end of the season.   

It would have made fine sense to get a player 10-15 games of NBA action so he could hit the ground running the following year.  The only reason it didn’t was because they wanted to preserve award eligibility, period.

The real issue is that the NBA needs to consider redefining eligibility.  For example, will players on 2-way contracts be eligible their first true NBA season, or not?  They will be credited with zero NBA service time (unlikely Simmons) but may have played a few hundred minutes in the NBA (also unlike Simmons).

It’s unlikely that a 2-way player will be worthy of winning, but it’s not out of the realm of possibility they could be worthy of All-Rookie honors.

Completely disagree.  Simmons hit the ground running this season with the full offseason to prepare to be their PG.  Bringing back Simmons would have had a lot of negatives with very little benefit: 

1) risk of injury in meaningless games with Embiid already injured
2) Simmons could have performed poorly due to lack of preparation and practice.  I don't think he was ready to be their PG and they also didn't have shooters.   
3) If Simmons performed well, they might get some meaningless wins when they were tanking hard
4) Waiting to bring back Simmons enhanced the fan excitement for this season 

[GreenEnvy]

Can we consider the kid who sat out a year before the draft (was it Anfernee Simons?) “straight out of high school” because he didn’t play in college (or professionally)?

[CelticsElite]

Can we consider the kid who sat out a year before the draft (was it Anfernee Simons?) “straight out of high school” because he didn’t play in college (or professionally)?

yeah but what does that have to do with Simmons

[GreenEnvy]

Can we consider the kid who sat out a year before the draft (was it Anfernee Simons?) “straight out of high school” because he didn’t play in college (or professionally)?

yeah but what does that have to do with Simmons

In regards to not playing for a year doesn’t have any effect (positive or negative).

He has to be more developed than a kid who came right out of HS but not as advanced (one would think/hope) as a kid that went to college.

I don’t think Simons should be considered straight out of high school.