Should the NBA implement this rule to prevent superteams from forming?

[footey]

i think the biggest issue was the massive cap spike

it'd be hard to pass the rule you 're talking about. the NBPA is strong unlike the nfl

But why would the NBPA oppose this rule?  Its not like it affects money (which is what they ultimately are about)

The NBA could reason that super teams are actually dropping the cap and costing players and the league money.

CBA is not just about $$ from player perspective. Also about freedom, choice.  Hence the term "unrestricted free agent."

[PickNRoll]

Nah, not gonna happen.  The system is fine and here are some of the reasons

- it's not necessarily bad for the NBA to have super teams.  Ratings are at an all-time high.  Dynasties are good for business
- the salary cap imposes an implicit limit, you can only carry about 3 max players and doing so requires extreme thrift with the rest of the roster + tax
- the talent gap across the top 30 players in the league is overstated.  Sure, Lebron is a once-in-a-lifetime talent who skews things for now, but other guys are interchangeable.  You can swap Kawhi for Durant or Derozan for Klay and not skip a beat.  You could construct 8+ of these so-called super teams in theory. 
- Lebron has proven he can beat the super team without a super team of his own.  He's been competitive with a bunch of cast-offs this year.
- Lebron's super team lost in 2013
- the Rockets showed they could compete with an alternative fringe strategy.  Likewise for the Celtics with no "superstars" to speak of.

[Androslav]

No.
1. Warriors don't scare my Celts nor me.
2. How many rules should have NBA implemented as a reaction to the HOF, finals MVPs galore on the 60s and 80s Celtic teams?

[SparzWizard]

Golden State and Durant took advantage of a salary cap spike at just the right time. Unfortunately now, the cap is tied to the TV ratings, especially during the playoffs. With the way Golden State can crush teams during the playoffs, they're only devaluing the cap and thus preventing every other team from following in their footsteps.

Players are so convinced that their legacies are tied to winning championships. I definitely disagree and think it is beyond overrated at this point. To me, Golden State winning the title is the equivalent to any kid getting a participation trophy for basically just showing up. I would like to see an unwritted rule by the Hall of Fame voters, to not elect these ring chasers (like Durant) on the first or second ballot. I would basically like to see them treated like alleged steriod/HGH users in MLB, where most HOF voters refuse to vote for them.

Warriors bought their championship in 2017 obviously. They are about to buy another one tonight, too. I will validate their 2015 run, even though Kyrie and Love were hurt. This cancels out 2016 with Draymond Green suspended, and yada yada.

Wasn't Draymond Green suspended for only one game in the Finals in 2016 for constantly kicking guys in the nuts? This is coming from a team that has Zaza Pachulia on the roster, who took out Kawhi Leonard during the 2017 playoffs, by using a dirty play.

Yup. Hence 2015 and 2016 were fair play and cancelled each other out should both teams bring up any excuses. 2017 they got Kevin Durant- instant championship since October. 2018 they got a complete talented roster aka Kevin Durant and LBJ lost Kyrie, another instant championship.

[Tr1boy]

call it the "Durant rule"

A player that wins the MVP or makes 1st or 2nd ALL NBA TEAM , can't sign as a UFA or RFA (coming from a different team)  with a team coming off a ECF/WCF series

this way you prevent super teams from forming

How many years would this restriction last? Would Rose not be allowed to sign with Cleveland because he won MVP before his knee injuries?

What if a team makes the ECF or WCF and then loses a big name player in FA? They wouldn't be able to sign someone good to replace them?

What if a team that's just mediocre gets through the 1st round and then is up in their second round series: would they be better off tanking the series (assuming they had cap room), since making the conference finals could stop them from signing a big name guy?

This just doesn't seem well thought out

Has to be same season

Example
Durant makes 1st all nba team (okc)

Warriors makes wcf

Durant cant join Warriors the next season

[Celtics4ever]

It would never pass because the Player's Union is ran by the players and they would not want this to happen.

[slamtheking]

not a good idea.  I get the dislike/hatred of super teams and the crap Durant pulled going to GSW and the disgrace Bron pulled joining with Bosh and Wade in Miami. 

I think if you want to stop moves like that from happening, the cap raises need to be restricted each year (as long as the total amount of cap increases such that the players get their fair share within a couple of years of the league's income rise) to prevent huge spikes as well as enforce appropriate contracts being paid out to the top players --> no top players taking a discount to go to a different team.  Example, Durant would have had to take the most money possible from GSW and not a discount to be able to squeeze into their salary cap.

on the cap restriction, say the league gets a hugs TV package that would allow them to bump the cap 15% in one year and likely 3% bumps the next 2 years.  The restriction would bump the next 3 years at 7% per year.   Cap still ends up at 21% higher after 3 years and the players would get a fair bump in the timeframe.  (yes I know that 15% X 3% X 3% is not equal to 7% X 7% X 7% but for the sake of this comment, you get the point).

There's no way the NBA PA would agree to waiting a couple of years to get their money. A better change would be to set contracts as a percentage of the cap, and then have the cap raise as needed without having any jumps like 2016

obviously I was just throwing an idea out there and I agree the players would want their money ASAP.  if your additional thought would get their buy-in, by all means offer that up as an additional change.

[tazzmaniac]

i think the biggest issue was the massive cap spike

it'd be hard to pass the rule you 're talking about. the NBPA is strong unlike the nfl

But why would the NBPA oppose this rule?  Its not like it affects money (which is what they ultimately are about)

The NBA could reason that super teams are actually dropping the cap and costing players and the league money.

CBA is not just about $$ from player perspective. Also about freedom, choice.  Hence the term "unrestricted free agent."

Exactly right.  Michelle Roberts was on the Redick podcast a week ago.  She specifically referred to player freedom and opposing anything that would restrict it further.  She basically indicated the Max salary limitations were as far as she'd go. 

https://player.fm/series/the-j-j-redick-podcast/michele-roberts-on-cavs-warriors-iv-player-freedom-and-the-one-and-done-rule-the-jj-redick-podcast-ep-14

[chiken Green]

IF The Rockets had won game  7 would this conversation be happening?  They lost one game at home by 3 and one on the road by 4... 

I just don't see this Golden State team as this Unbeatable Juggernaut... The Rockets lost A starter for nearly 2 games and Lebron, though Great is on his last leg playing on a team of virtual Bums...

We don't need A rule to stop super teams, They can be beat just like Lebron's super team was beat by the spurs (or the Mavs) 

[droopdog7]

Yeah, just a crazy artificial rule that would never fly.  If you want to prevent super teams, then go back to the way it used to be.  No more limits on individual contracts, no more luxury taxes, and allow teams to go over the tax to sign their own players.

That way, teams can offer their stars whatever the heck they want, while other teams can only fit them under the cap.  Would Lebron choose 30 mil over say, 60 mil from the Cavs?  And, if another team could offer say, 60 mil, they wouldn’t be able to sign other stars on top.  And of course, the Cavs could offer 80 mil if they wanted.

[mr. dee]

Golden State and Durant took advantage of a salary cap spike at just the right time. Unfortunately now, the cap is tied to the TV ratings, especially during the playoffs. With the way Golden State can crush teams during the playoffs, they're only devaluing the cap and thus preventing every other team from following in their footsteps.

Players are so convinced that their legacies are tied to winning championships. I definitely disagree and think it is beyond overrated at this point. To me, Golden State winning the title is the equivalent to any kid getting a participation trophy for basically just showing up. I would like to see an unwritted rule by the Hall of Fame voters, to not elect these ring chasers (like Durant) on the first or second ballot. I would basically like to see them treated like alleged steriod/HGH users in MLB, where most HOF voters refuse to vote for them.

Winning a championship thing is true. However, people have taken it way out of context. For example, Robert Horry have more rings than both GSW and Cavs players combined.

[Ogaju]

call it the "Durant rule"

A player that wins the MVP or makes 1st or 2nd ALL NBA TEAM , can't sign as a UFA or RFA (coming from a different team)  with a team coming off a ECF/WCF series

this way you prevent super teams from forming

You don’t need the rule...all you need is a competitive bid for every free agent. The free agent gets to pick whichever team he wants BUT that team MUST take the cap hit in the amount of the highest bid the free agent received during free agency.

[rondofan1255]

No way.

[PAOBoston]

Get rid of super teams? No. NBA needs more super teams.