Trade for a shooting big man

[hwangjini_1]

I believe the Celtics need to try and move some pieces to get Bagley...aka Bosh. They will need a big man that can shoot to combat Embiid for the next 5 years.

Brown, Rozier and Kings pick could get it done.

We get a rookie contract and unload two potential bigger contracts while maintaining a good core. Money will become an issue...get it out the way now while stock is high.

I wouldn’t trade brown for Bagley, let alone throw in rozier AND the kings pick....

and why not? if you could expand and elaborate on your thoughts, it will help everyone understand your reasoning and respond better.

thanks.

[slamtheking]

Guys I understand we want to keep everyone. The problem is minutes and contracts. We have to get some size to compete against Embiid for the next 5 years.

You can propose various combos but dealing with Embiid is going to be an issue especially if Philly signs a few top FAs...Bron, PG13, Kawhi, etc.

you're too worried about Embiid.  Phiilly should be worrying about who we have. 

let Brad and Danny worry about the contracts and minutes.  winning fixes a lot of disgruntlement on a roster.

[KGBirdBias]

Um, if Simmons could hit a few shots, that series is different. Embiid killed us and Horford freaks out when he has to play against anyone that is physical.

It's going to be Philly and Boston making moves to combat each other for the next 5 years.

[gouki88]

Um, if Simmons could hit a few shots, that series is different. Embiid killed us and Horford freaks out when he has to play against anyone that is physical.

It's going to be Philly and Boston making moves to combat each other for the next 5 years.

But he can’t, and hasn’t improved his jumper a lick after being on an NBA for 2 years. Embiid also hardly killed us. His stats were nice, but his efficiency was pretty garbage and he completely stopped their offence by trying to force it in the post

[PhoSita]

Stretch 5's are not impossible find ... a lot of these defensive bigs seem to have a spot up 3 in their game if the coach green lights it.  See: Baynes. 

I think the stretch 5 is going to be a more and more common type of role player in the league moving forward.


I don't see any need to trade any major assets to upgrade. 

Theis will be back next year, too.

[slamtheking]

Um, if Simmons could hit a few shots, that series is different. Embiid killed us and Horford freaks out when he has to play against anyone that is physical.

It's going to be Philly and Boston making moves to combat each other for the next 5 years.

and if we hit shots more consistently on the road that series ends sooner.  Simmons has a lot farther to go to be a consistent shooter than the C's do to shoot consistently in away games (especially considering they had a top road record in the league last year).

[Kuberski33]

If I run a crap team and I have a chance to draft Bagley - I'm not trading him.  Potential franchise player. I'd consider moving him for Tatum who's more proven. But I'm not dealing him for a max contract guy who's not going to turn my team into a championship contender.

Now if the C's could get a guy like Brook Lopez on the cheap - he's become a decent a 3 pt shooter - that's something I'd look at.  But I'm good with the Theiss/Baynes combo.

[Sophomore]

I believe the Celtics need to try and move some pieces to get Bagley...aka Bosh. They will need a big man that can shoot to combat Embiid for the next 5 years.

Brown, Rozier and Kings pick could get it done.

We get a rookie contract and unload two potential bigger contracts while maintaining a good core. Money will become an issue...get it out the way now while stock is high.

I wouldn’t trade brown for Bagley, let alone throw in rozier AND the kings pick....

and why not? if you could expand and elaborate on your thoughts, it will help everyone understand your reasoning and respond better.

thanks.

Throwing in the Kings' pick would definitely be an overpay, and I would probably look for Jaren Jackson before I looked at Bagley.

Jaylen Brown was the 3d pick in the draft, and the pick clearly was not a bust. He has two years of resume and development, in which he has proven his value and now projects as a likely all-star in a few years. And, he still has two years left on his rookie deal.

We would be trading to get a player at a comparable draft slot - or even a slot or two lower! - and there is no can't-miss player in that group who will clearly be better than JB. This is not Jaylen for LeBron or Jordan out of the draft. It's value for value. The only reason we do it is if we decide we have too many wings relative to our big-man situation - to convert a wing to a big.

If we threw in Terry - who is also clearly capable of starting, maybe being a good starter if he keeps improving - that's a *very* good deal for the 3 or 4 pick this year. We'd basically be getting leveraged, because the other team knows we're set at wing and have salary issues.

And with all that said, I *still* would not do the deal. Jaylen brings something different than Hayward or Tatum - better defender, plenty of fire - and we don't know what his next step of development looks like. Given our timetable, I would not trade him for a pick. I would have to be getting back a player I *know* is ready to compete at a high level next year - when we have a legit shot at the title. I don't want to step back and wait a few years while the rook learns how to play.

[tstorey_97]

Rather than a work in progress from this year's draft, trade one of our top players + picks for a "big who can shoot".

Go for the title now....ten years of "getting ready" is ovah.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

I think moving Brown for a project big makes us a lot worse for next year. Having an above average 2 way wing who is 21 with the potential to be an elite 2 way wing is a lot more important than an energy pogo stick who can sometimes sboot.

i do not want to trade brown or tatum but IF we have to trade brown it has to be for a already developed semi young all-star who can get us to the finals these next 3 years and help us top GS or houston.

[Bobshot]

I'm for this. They still lack that guy who can protect the rim. Heck, they've never won anything without somebody like that who can protect the middle.

If it has to be a big guy like Embiid who can also live on the perimeter, so be it. But those guys cost a fortune unless you're lucky enough to draft one.

I'd be happy with a Capela type. Baynes was terrific in the playoffs. He's tough but has physical limitations against really big men. He can't jump.

[Fafnir]

We already have 2 and Baynes is certainly going to keep being told to take 3s and other jumpers if he stays with the team. So that's 3 big men who can provide what you think is lacking.

I'm not trading Jaylen for a pick in this year's draft.

[hwangjini_1]

Um, if Simmons could hit a few shots, that series is different. Embiid killed us and Horford freaks out when he has to play against anyone that is physical.

It's going to be Philly and Boston making moves to combat each other for the next 5 years.

that is the point is it not? simmons lacks the ability to shoot from mid range or farther. that means their team lacked a valuable ability and cost them the series, among other reasons.

next, simmons wont be shooting much better next season.

celtics get kyrie and hayward and theis.

philly is going to be a really good team. and they will be chasing the celtics, not the other way around.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Um, if Simmons could hit a few shots, that series is different. Embiid killed us and Horford freaks out when he has to play against anyone that is physical.

It's going to be Philly and Boston making moves to combat each other for the next 5 years.

that is the point is it not? simmons lacks the ability to shoot from mid range or farther. that means their team lacked a valuable ability and cost them the series, among other reasons.

next, simmons wont be shooting much better next season.

celtics get kyrie and hayward and theis.

philly is going to be a really good team. and they will be chasing the celtics, not the other way around.

AND........................theis had been working very hard on his 3 ball prior to injury.  if he can get anywhere near horford with that he can and will do damage to other teams opening up everything lese for others to go along with his high energy, rebounding and shot blocking skills.  now if baynes cn also hit some threes..OMG look out. i would like a bench next year that not only holds leads but adds to them. i want us to destroy teams. i want teams to fear us. no letting up. keep that train rolling when starters sit.

[azzenfrost]

I forgot about Theis. We have a Theis.