Anthony Davis traded to Lakers(page 272)

[Monkhouse]

The price to acquire Davis has gone up considerably given the Lakers landing at 4 and, to a lesser extent, the Knicks getting the 3rd pick.

It may now take all three of Tatum, Brown and Smart, plus the picks, to land him.

Would a Celtics team with Davis, Irving, Hayward, Horford and filler be able to defeat all comers?

Count me as skeptical that it would.

The value of the Memphis pick has gone up considerably and I should think AD will cost Tatum + Smart + 2-3 2019 1sts, but that we should be able to hold either Brown or the Memphis pick out of the deal.  Considering we'd be trying to win now by making the deal, I'd be inclined to keep Brown.

Recency bias (Sacramento top 1 protected) has devalued next year's Memphis pick (top 6 protected, unprotected in 2021).  Laker pick at 4 has to  be valued more than the Memphis pick (bird in the hand theory).

It may come down to where Tatum ranks as a fit with Zion, relative to other available players (Ball, Ingram, Knox, 4th pick). Griffin is a smart guy, and will take fit into his calculation.

That's absolutely not true, it's a perspective that Griffin may or may not have.  Memphis started the year as a top 5 team in the West through 20 games and still finished in the bottom 8, and will now likely not have Gasol or Conley and instead add a rookie who is unlikely to impact winning. 

Griffin is a smart guy and the #4 pick in a 2-3 guy draft isn't better than a potential top 3 pick in what looks like a great draft in 2021. 

The NBA is a league of potential and you take the chance at a grand slam over a no RBI double every time as a rebuilding team.

you are embarrassing yourself ... so you should stop

you are bias crazy, its not even funny

There is no indication Memphis will be basement dwellers next season.  Its a totally different story vs Nets...and how the Celts robbed them

Nets lost KG, PP...and the other vets...had no 1sts (due to giving it away to celts)... couldn't attract any FAs

Memphis already has Jackson Jr. , Morant (#2) pick and will likely get some good return for Conley Jr.  plus have cap space to attract a very good player this offseason.   

They have zero motivation to sukk for next season, especially since the draft pick is not theirs


Griffin would be foolish to bank at this at being a "home run" .... unless he waited closer to the trade deadline, to know with more certainty

And I certainly disagree that this is only a 2 man draft.  Barrett for a long time was considered a #1 pick.  Hachimura and White are very good prospects. 

Like another poster stated.  It will depend on Griffin preference.  The Celts can absolutely beat any offers, but are you willing to give up "everything" for a guy that might leave after a season

Regards to Irving, even with AD trade promise.... I would be shocked if he signed a 5 year deal.  More likely a 1 + 1.   Basically if it all goes wrong,  the Celts will become that 2015-2017 Nets hell hole for years to come

Irving wouldn't do 1+1, doesn't make sense money wise...

Also Grizzlies do owe their pick top 6 protected...

So it is in their best interest to tank, (they don't have to, but its plausible,) develop, build assets, and see how their young players fare.

[bopna]

Pelicans will not pay AD the Supermax.. Its that or trade him and because now they have Zion, they will trade him.. The leverage that they have actually stays the same.. Its not changed so why should Danny budge.. One of Tatum or Brown, Memphis pick, TimeLord plus perhaps Smart but I really do not want to give them that.. Pelicans also know its just a rental so there is not much leverage for other teams to trade for a rental unless Davis commits which in all fairness not really etched in stone... Kyrie said he will re-sign and a Yr later seems have changed his tone so... Whatever.

[Tr1boy]

One or the other of Brown/Tatum.  Certainly not both. 

If NO wants Brown, Tatum, Smart, & the picks, you get up & walk away.

exactly

you got to be idiotic to do that

[Roy H.]

Tatum, Smart, Williams, 4 #1s, and take back Moore if they want to shed a year of salary.

That’s the max I would go.

[BringToughnessBack]

Griffin is going to milk us for all that he can. He knows Kyrie bolts if Danny does not give in. There are other factors in what we will offer as well.

When NO brings in some of the top players for workouts and interviews, if they find someone they think is at same level as Tatum or better, then it is game over for our chances to get Davis. Those workouts will most likely decide where Davis will go if he is going anywhere. It could end up that even Smart, Tatum and Brown will not be enough if NO has a different view of one of those top players in the draft this year.

That 3rd and 4th picks from Lakers and Knicks could get a lot more valuable if NO has dreams of another superstar from those slots.

Also, maybe the Lakers or Knicks find a way to trade into 2 slot and improve their package for Davis as well. A boat load of lower picks and the hopes of a Memphis pick cashing in and Tatum and company might still not be enough for Gilbert.

It is out of our control no matter what happens.

[droopdog7]

People indicating only one of tatum, brown, smart or trying to insert Hayward into the mix need to stop.  We're talking about a superstar in his prime that has plenty of suitors.

[Tr1boy]

The price to acquire Davis has gone up considerably given the Lakers landing at 4 and, to a lesser extent, the Knicks getting the 3rd pick.

It may now take all three of Tatum, Brown and Smart, plus the picks, to land him.

Would a Celtics team with Davis, Irving, Hayward, Horford and filler be able to defeat all comers?

Count me as skeptical that it would.

The value of the Memphis pick has gone up considerably and I should think AD will cost Tatum + Smart + 2-3 2019 1sts, but that we should be able to hold either Brown or the Memphis pick out of the deal.  Considering we'd be trying to win now by making the deal, I'd be inclined to keep Brown.

Recency bias (Sacramento top 1 protected) has devalued next year's Memphis pick (top 6 protected, unprotected in 2021).  Laker pick at 4 has to  be valued more than the Memphis pick (bird in the hand theory).

It may come down to where Tatum ranks as a fit with Zion, relative to other available players (Ball, Ingram, Knox, 4th pick). Griffin is a smart guy, and will take fit into his calculation.

That's absolutely not true, it's a perspective that Griffin may or may not have.  Memphis started the year as a top 5 team in the West through 20 games and still finished in the bottom 8, and will now likely not have Gasol or Conley and instead add a rookie who is unlikely to impact winning. 

Griffin is a smart guy and the #4 pick in a 2-3 guy draft isn't better than a potential top 3 pick in what looks like a great draft in 2021. 

The NBA is a league of potential and you take the chance at a grand slam over a no RBI double every time as a rebuilding team.

you are embarrassing yourself ... so you should stop

you are bias crazy, its not even funny

There is no indication Memphis will be basement dwellers next season.  Its a totally different story vs Nets...and how the Celts robbed them

Nets lost KG, PP...and the other vets...had no 1sts (due to giving it away to celts)... couldn't attract any FAs

Memphis already has Jackson Jr. , Morant (#2) pick and will likely get some good return for Conley Jr.  plus have cap space to attract a very good player this offseason.   

They have zero motivation to sukk for next season, especially since the draft pick is not theirs


Griffin would be foolish to bank at this at being a "home run" .... unless he waited closer to the trade deadline, to know with more certainty

And I certainly disagree that this is only a 2 man draft.  Barrett for a long time was considered a #1 pick.  Hachimura and White are very good prospects. 

Like another poster stated.  It will depend on Griffin preference.  The Celts can absolutely beat any offers, but are you willing to give up "everything" for a guy that might leave after a season

Regards to Irving, even with AD trade promise.... I would be shocked if he signed a 5 year deal.  More likely a 1 + 1.   Basically if it all goes wrong,  the Celts will become that 2015-2017 Nets hell hole for years to come

Irving wouldn't do 1+1, doesn't make sense money wise...

Also Grizzlies do owe their pick top 6 protected...

So it is in their best interest to tank, (they don't have to, but its plausible,) develop, build assets, and see how their young players fare.

when you witness a draft lottery like yesterday

There is no guarantee the 4th worst team will even get the 4th pick

That Memphis pick is obviously cool to have (if Celtics).....but not really for crucial rebuild stage team like the Pelicans

I would rather take the sure thing #4 pick of this seasons draft

LETS say

Memphis do stink and nab a top 3 pick for next season draft (keep it)

So the chances they totally suck again for 2021 draft.... is unlikely.  It probably turns out closer to Kings situation of this season

With all the conditions and draft uncertainty..... it is definitely not a home run for a team like the Pelicans

[gift]

Gilbert is going to milk us for all that he can. He knows Kyrie bolts if Danny does not give in. There are other factors in what we will offer as well.

When NO brings in some of the top players for workouts and interviews, if they find someone they think is at same level as Tatum or better, then it is game over for our chances to get Davis. Those workouts will most likely decide where Davis will go if he is going anywhere. It could end up that even Smart, Tatum and Brown will not be enough if NO has a different view of one of those top players in the draft this year.

That 3rd and 4th picks from Lakers and Knicks could get a lot more valuable if NO has dreams of another superstar from those slots.

Also, maybe the Lakers or Knicks find a way to trade into 2 slot and improve their package for Davis as well. A boat load of lower picks and the hopes of a Memphis pick cashing in and Tatum and company might still not be enough for Gilbert.

It is out of our control no matter what happens.

Do you mean Griffin? I think he likes Tatum and probably would pair well with Zion.

[Monkhouse]

The price to acquire Davis has gone up considerably given the Lakers landing at 4 and, to a lesser extent, the Knicks getting the 3rd pick.

It may now take all three of Tatum, Brown and Smart, plus the picks, to land him.

Would a Celtics team with Davis, Irving, Hayward, Horford and filler be able to defeat all comers?

Count me as skeptical that it would.

The value of the Memphis pick has gone up considerably and I should think AD will cost Tatum + Smart + 2-3 2019 1sts, but that we should be able to hold either Brown or the Memphis pick out of the deal.  Considering we'd be trying to win now by making the deal, I'd be inclined to keep Brown.

Recency bias (Sacramento top 1 protected) has devalued next year's Memphis pick (top 6 protected, unprotected in 2021).  Laker pick at 4 has to  be valued more than the Memphis pick (bird in the hand theory).

It may come down to where Tatum ranks as a fit with Zion, relative to other available players (Ball, Ingram, Knox, 4th pick). Griffin is a smart guy, and will take fit into his calculation.

That's absolutely not true, it's a perspective that Griffin may or may not have.  Memphis started the year as a top 5 team in the West through 20 games and still finished in the bottom 8, and will now likely not have Gasol or Conley and instead add a rookie who is unlikely to impact winning. 

Griffin is a smart guy and the #4 pick in a 2-3 guy draft isn't better than a potential top 3 pick in what looks like a great draft in 2021. 

The NBA is a league of potential and you take the chance at a grand slam over a no RBI double every time as a rebuilding team.

you are embarrassing yourself ... so you should stop

you are bias crazy, its not even funny

There is no indication Memphis will be basement dwellers next season.  Its a totally different story vs Nets...and how the Celts robbed them

Nets lost KG, PP...and the other vets...had no 1sts (due to giving it away to celts)... couldn't attract any FAs

Memphis already has Jackson Jr. , Morant (#2) pick and will likely get some good return for Conley Jr.  plus have cap space to attract a very good player this offseason.   

They have zero motivation to sukk for next season, especially since the draft pick is not theirs


Griffin would be foolish to bank at this at being a "home run" .... unless he waited closer to the trade deadline, to know with more certainty

And I certainly disagree that this is only a 2 man draft.  Barrett for a long time was considered a #1 pick.  Hachimura and White are very good prospects. 

Like another poster stated.  It will depend on Griffin preference.  The Celts can absolutely beat any offers, but are you willing to give up "everything" for a guy that might leave after a season

Regards to Irving, even with AD trade promise.... I would be shocked if he signed a 5 year deal.  More likely a 1 + 1.   Basically if it all goes wrong,  the Celts will become that 2015-2017 Nets hell hole for years to come

Irving wouldn't do 1+1, doesn't make sense money wise...

Also Grizzlies do owe their pick top 6 protected...

So it is in their best interest to tank, (they don't have to, but its plausible,) develop, build assets, and see how their young players fare.

when you witness a draft lottery like yesterday

There is no guarantee the 4th worst team will even get the 4th pick

That Memphis pick is obviously cool to have (if Celtics).....but not really for crucial rebuild stage team like the Pelicans

I would rather take the sure thing #4 pick of this seasons draft

LETS say

Memphis do stink and nab a top 3 pick for next season draft (keep it)

So the chances they totally suck again for 2021 draft.... is unlikely.  It probably turns out closer to Kings situation of this season

With all the conditions and draft uncertainty..... it is definitely not a home run for a team like the Pelicans

Of course not, although I will dispute the Kings already had a young good core going forward.

I'm going to reiterate what I told LaBrd33.

Kings had top 3 fastest pace, hot shooting from Hield, and Bagley, Fox, and supporting cast to help lead them.

I think Grizzlies pretty much have a slim punchers chance of ending up in the top 14th or making playoffs like Kings did... That would be a huge turnaround for them, but I highly doubt it. Their coaching is questionable, and plenty of their players aren't that great. Sure they could field a decent team, but why spend the money/assets to do so?

That team isn't going to be that good, until 2-3 years later. If they draft Morant, PG's take 1-2 years to develop. Enough time for them to sink maybe to the 9th or 8th pick in 2021.

[footey]

I posted in more detail in another thread but, IMO, the deal that no one else will beat is this.

Tatum
Williams
Memphis Pick
Sacramento Pick
Boston 2019 second
Boston 2020 first
Yabusele
Semi
Cash

NOP gets superstar potential to pair with Zion. Williams is a front court defender who can keep up with Zion. "Lob City part 2"

Get 2 picks next year to add to core.

add another pick this year in the lotto
add a second rounder this year for a flyer

add a couple young players for cheap depth
add cash to pay some of the salaries.

Unrealistic that New Orleans would even consider this. They likely will get much better offers from Knicks and Lakers.

In other thread you included Hayward, which I think is a very interesting idea. He may blend in well with Zion (and Holiday), since he is a facilitator. Plus I am worried that Hayward would badly utilized in a team featuring Kyrie and Davis. Kyrie was bad enough.

I don't think New Orleans will have any interest in Hayward's contract right now.

It could help them get rid of their own bad contracts. Hayward has just 2 years left (one a player option), and Griffin could be intrigued by the improvement he showed toward end of season. Plus Hayward would be a great fit with Zion, better than the other players tossed around in the offers.

[Tr1boy]

The price to acquire Davis has gone up considerably given the Lakers landing at 4 and, to a lesser extent, the Knicks getting the 3rd pick.

It may now take all three of Tatum, Brown and Smart, plus the picks, to land him.

Would a Celtics team with Davis, Irving, Hayward, Horford and filler be able to defeat all comers?

Count me as skeptical that it would.

The value of the Memphis pick has gone up considerably and I should think AD will cost Tatum + Smart + 2-3 2019 1sts, but that we should be able to hold either Brown or the Memphis pick out of the deal.  Considering we'd be trying to win now by making the deal, I'd be inclined to keep Brown.

Recency bias (Sacramento top 1 protected) has devalued next year's Memphis pick (top 6 protected, unprotected in 2021).  Laker pick at 4 has to  be valued more than the Memphis pick (bird in the hand theory).

It may come down to where Tatum ranks as a fit with Zion, relative to other available players (Ball, Ingram, Knox, 4th pick). Griffin is a smart guy, and will take fit into his calculation.

That's absolutely not true, it's a perspective that Griffin may or may not have.  Memphis started the year as a top 5 team in the West through 20 games and still finished in the bottom 8, and will now likely not have Gasol or Conley and instead add a rookie who is unlikely to impact winning. 

Griffin is a smart guy and the #4 pick in a 2-3 guy draft isn't better than a potential top 3 pick in what looks like a great draft in 2021. 

The NBA is a league of potential and you take the chance at a grand slam over a no RBI double every time as a rebuilding team.

you are embarrassing yourself ... so you should stop

you are bias crazy, its not even funny

There is no indication Memphis will be basement dwellers next season.  Its a totally different story vs Nets...and how the Celts robbed them

Nets lost KG, PP...and the other vets...had no 1sts (due to giving it away to celts)... couldn't attract any FAs

Memphis already has Jackson Jr. , Morant (#2) pick and will likely get some good return for Conley Jr.  plus have cap space to attract a very good player this offseason.   

They have zero motivation to sukk for next season, especially since the draft pick is not theirs


Griffin would be foolish to bank at this at being a "home run" .... unless he waited closer to the trade deadline, to know with more certainty

And I certainly disagree that this is only a 2 man draft.  Barrett for a long time was considered a #1 pick.  Hachimura and White are very good prospects. 

Like another poster stated.  It will depend on Griffin preference.  The Celts can absolutely beat any offers, but are you willing to give up "everything" for a guy that might leave after a season

Regards to Irving, even with AD trade promise.... I would be shocked if he signed a 5 year deal.  More likely a 1 + 1.   Basically if it all goes wrong,  the Celts will become that 2015-2017 Nets hell hole for years to come

Irving wouldn't do 1+1, doesn't make sense money wise...

Also Grizzlies do owe their pick top 6 protected...

So it is in their best interest to tank, (they don't have to, but its plausible,) develop, build assets, and see how their young players fare.

when you witness a draft lottery like yesterday

There is no guarantee the 4th worst team will even get the 4th pick

That Memphis pick is obviously cool to have (if Celtics).....but not really for crucial rebuild stage team like the Pelicans

I would rather take the sure thing #4 pick of this seasons draft

LETS say

Memphis do stink and nab a top 3 pick for next season draft (keep it)

So the chances they totally suck again for 2021 draft.... is unlikely.  It probably turns out closer to Kings situation of this season

With all the conditions and draft uncertainty..... it is definitely not a home run for a team like the Pelicans

Of course not, although I will dispute the Kings already had a young good core going forward.

I'm going to reiterate what I told LaBrd33.

Kings had top 3 fastest pace, hot shooting from Hield, and Bagley, Fox, and supporting cast to help lead them.

I think Grizzlies pretty much have a slim punchers chance of ending up in the top 14th or making playoffs like Kings did... That would be a huge turnaround for them, but I highly doubt it. Their coaching is questionable, and plenty of their players aren't that great. Sure they could field a decent team, but why spend the money/assets to do so?

That team isn't going to be that good, until 2-3 years later. If they draft Morant, PG's take 1-2 years to develop. Enough time for them to sink maybe to the 9th or 8th pick in 2021.

I agree with this assessment

But don't forget Mike Conley Jr. will be traded on draft night, so that should also bring in a nice return

off to a very good start building a team around PF/C Jackson Jr. and pg Morant

[Tr1boy]

Gilbert is going to milk us for all that he can. He knows Kyrie bolts if Danny does not give in. There are other factors in what we will offer as well.

When NO brings in some of the top players for workouts and interviews, if they find someone they think is at same level as Tatum or better, then it is game over for our chances to get Davis. Those workouts will most likely decide where Davis will go if he is going anywhere. It could end up that even Smart, Tatum and Brown will not be enough if NO has a different view of one of those top players in the draft this year.

That 3rd and 4th picks from Lakers and Knicks could get a lot more valuable if NO has dreams of another superstar from those slots.

Also, maybe the Lakers or Knicks find a way to trade into 2 slot and improve their package for Davis as well. A boat load of lower picks and the hopes of a Memphis pick cashing in and Tatum and company might still not be enough for Gilbert.

It is out of our control no matter what happens.

Do you mean Griffin? I think he likes Tatum and probably would pair well with Zion.

What if Irving doesn't want Tatum to go ...as another condition to resign

I think this idea of being sold that Tatum is the one to go ...  hold the the horses

Griffin may also like Brown better

[gift]

I posted in more detail in another thread but, IMO, the deal that no one else will beat is this.

Tatum
Williams
Memphis Pick
Sacramento Pick
Boston 2019 second
Boston 2020 first
Yabusele
Semi
Cash

NOP gets superstar potential to pair with Zion. Williams is a front court defender who can keep up with Zion. "Lob City part 2"

Get 2 picks next year to add to core.

add another pick this year in the lotto
add a second rounder this year for a flyer

add a couple young players for cheap depth
add cash to pay some of the salaries.

Unrealistic that New Orleans would even consider this. They likely will get much better offers from Knicks and Lakers.

In other thread you included Hayward, which I think is a very interesting idea. He may blend in well with Zion (and Holiday), since he is a facilitator. Plus I am worried that Hayward would badly utilized in a team featuring Kyrie and Davis. Kyrie was bad enough.

I don't think New Orleans will have any interest in Hayward's contract right now.

It could help them get rid of their own bad contracts. Hayward has just 2 years left (one a player option), and Griffin could be intrigued by the improvement he showed toward end of season. Plus Hayward would be a great fit with Zion, better than the other players tossed around in the offers.

I don't doubt that 3 months into next season Griffin could think that. I just don't think he could pull that trigger right now.

[johnnygreen]

If the Celtics keep Hayward, Danny has no choice but to include at least one of Tatum or Brown, plus Smart, and additional salary filler. Smart was Danny’s key signing last off season to help facilitate the Davis trade, as the Celtics needed to help match salary. A 2019 draft pick in the 2-4 range would have helped alleviate some of the need to match salary, as that would have been an additional $6-9 million. It looks like we’re focused on what talent to trade, and forgetting about arguably the biggest factor. If we can’t match salary, we can’t even make an offer.

If I'm not mistaken, future draft picks hold no value (towards matching salary) in a trade. If Danny includes all three of the 2019 draft picks, the Celtics would have to make those picks for New Orleans, before completing the trade, in order to help match salaries. Is that correct?

[gift]

Gilbert is going to milk us for all that he can. He knows Kyrie bolts if Danny does not give in. There are other factors in what we will offer as well.

When NO brings in some of the top players for workouts and interviews, if they find someone they think is at same level as Tatum or better, then it is game over for our chances to get Davis. Those workouts will most likely decide where Davis will go if he is going anywhere. It could end up that even Smart, Tatum and Brown will not be enough if NO has a different view of one of those top players in the draft this year.

That 3rd and 4th picks from Lakers and Knicks could get a lot more valuable if NO has dreams of another superstar from those slots.

Also, maybe the Lakers or Knicks find a way to trade into 2 slot and improve their package for Davis as well. A boat load of lower picks and the hopes of a Memphis pick cashing in and Tatum and company might still not be enough for Gilbert.

It is out of our control no matter what happens.

Do you mean Griffin? I think he likes Tatum and probably would pair well with Zion.

What if Irving doesn't want Tatum to go ...as another condition to resign

I think this idea of being sold that Tatum is the one to go ...  hold the the horses

Griffin may also like Brown better

I just mention Griffin liking Tatum because I think he praised the pick and the trade with Philly in the past. Like went out of his way to do so.

Also, don't you think Tatum pairs better with Zion than Jaylen?