Marcus Smart RFA [Merged - finalizing 4 year deal]

[Tr1boy]

Smart either takes a multi year deal (approx  9 million per season or takes the qualifying offer and bets on himself he will be able to get more money as a ufa next offseason

He is not getting what he is hoping for ... from anybody

Prob the best case scenerio at this point is...2 year deal for 18 million with 2nd year player option.... I cant see why the Celts wouldnt at least provide this flexibility

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Smart either takes a multi year deal (approx  9 million per season or takes the qualifying offer and bets on himself he will be able to get more money as a ufa next offseason

He is not getting what he is hoping for ... from anybody

Prob the best case scenerio at this point is...2 year deal for 18 million with 2nd year player option.... I cant see why the Celts wouldnt at least provide this flexibility

Yeah, both sides win here. We get to keep Smart for atleast another year with a raise, and he gets to choose if he wants to go out of the market again next year.

I like this. I think this is where we should go.

[mrceltics2013]

I'm shocked they haven't given him a 15m year deal tbh.

[aingeforthree]

I'm shocked they haven't given him a 15m year deal tbh.

Why bid against yourself?

Our GM plays it smart, as we’ve seen time & time again. This isn’t a dummy at the helm. He knows exactly how to play it

[spikelovetheCelts]

Smart either takes a multi year deal (approx  9 million per season or takes the qualifying offer and bets on himself he will be able to get more money as a ufa next offseason

He is not getting what he is hoping for ... from anybody

Prob the best case scenerio at this point is...2 year deal for 18 million with 2nd year player option.... I cant see why the Celts wouldnt at least provide this flexibility

I think DA will give him 11mil like thise Exum just 2 instead of 3 years.

[Phantom255x]

3 years, 35M OR 4/44M. Simple. Get it done, Danny!

[dreamgreen]

I think the problem a lot of Smart fans on here are having is they see bad money being thrown around to players that don't deserve it. So they think that you just overpay for a guys like Smart like the others teams have (Utah) and it doesn't matter. But the problem is it does matter! You have luxury tax issues, roster building on and on. Those other teams don't manage their cap well often, make poor moves and are always just hoping they make the playoffs. You guys want to pay our 6th, maybe 7th or 8th man depending on line ups $10-14m a year! No good team in the NBA is paying that guy 8 figures!! Players that earn that kind of money are starters. Danny is not going to overpay for a combo guard that can't shoot, he can't!

[Tr1boy]

I am starting to wonder why we haven't signed Marcus yet. I am not sure of timing of signings and how that works but is it possible he is not signed yet because he is on the table to the Spurs in a Kawhi deal (sign and trade) but the numbers and deal is not final until they can get all of the numbers and assets to work?

look at his stats.... shooting under 40 percent (from the beginning) and having a spot on an NBA roster, is unheard of

Remember Tony Allen/Bruce Bowen? They made 4-6 million per season max....  They shot better than 40 percent on average at least

Ainge wants to keep Smart ... but on a fair deal/avoid Wyc from paying extra fees/tax as much as possible

If rumors were true that Smart was offered a 7-8 million a season deal during last season.....  and currently the Q.... 

Sounds like Ainge doesn't want to reach out first, to offer the same numbers he has already offered. Instead Ainge (who is on the driver seat right now, since there is no noise about a potential team signing him to an offer sheet) is waiting for Smart and reps to call him....and take the offer(s), Ainge has laid out on the table

[footey]

I am starting to wonder why we haven't signed Marcus yet. I am not sure of timing of signings and how that works but is it possible he is not signed yet because he is on the table to the Spurs in a Kawhi deal (sign and trade) but the numbers and deal is not final until they can get all of the numbers and assets to work?

look at his stats.... shooting under 40 percent (from the beginning) and having a spot on an NBA roster, is unheard of

Remember Tony Allen/Bruce Bowen? They made 4-6 million per season max....  They shot better than 40 percent on average at least

Ainge wants to keep Smart ... but on a fair deal/avoid Wyc from paying extra fees/tax as much as possible

If rumors were true that Smart was offered a 7-8 million a season deal during last season.....  and currently the Q.... 

Sounds like Ainge doesn't want to reach out first, to offer the same numbers he has already offered. Instead Ainge (who is on the driver seat right now, since there is no noise about a potential team signing him to an offer sheet) is waiting for Smart and reps to call him....and take the offer(s), Ainge has laid out on the table

We got cheap with Tony and it could have cost us another championship. Should have never let him go. Bad example.

[BitterJim]

I think the problem a lot of Smart fans on here are having is they see bad money being thrown around to players that don't deserve it. So they think that you just overpay for a guys like Smart like the others teams have (Utah) and it doesn't matter. But the problem is it does matter! You have luxury tax issues, roster building on and on. Those other teams don't manage their cap well often, make poor moves and are always just hoping they make the playoffs. You guys want to pay our 6th, maybe 7th or 8th man depending on line ups $10-14m a year! No good team in the NBA is paying that guy 8 figures!! Players that earn that kind of money are starters. Danny is not going to overpay for a combo guard that can't shoot, he can't!

Imagine if Andre Iguodala got paid 3/48, or Eric Gordon 4/53

No way those successful teams would ever pay bench players that much. It's not like being over the cap severely limits your ability to add yalent, and letting talent go for nothing will hurt long-term

Danny will let him walk if keeping him would cost something like $14 million, but I don't see anyone here saying to pay that (or any team that will offer him that)

[Tr1boy]

The reality is

Smart has barely improved since his rookie season (outside of rookie to vet wrinkles).  He is still shooting under 40 percent.  Self inflicting hand injury last season during a critical stretch was dumb.  After losing to the Cavs (horrible shooting night) , "back up the brinks truck" comment was the even dumber

Smart intangibles (especially on defense) is valuable. But his offense plain out stinks. 

Q offer for approx 6 million =  5 million for defense and 1 million for offense.   If the old offer is still good.... 8 million per season = 6-7 million for defense and 1 million for offense.  There is little to no hope Smart offense gets any better

Maybe what Smart should do is get a new agent....set things straight

[BitterJim]

I am starting to wonder why we haven't signed Marcus yet. I am not sure of timing of signings and how that works but is it possible he is not signed yet because he is on the table to the Spurs in a Kawhi deal (sign and trade) but the numbers and deal is not final until they can get all of the numbers and assets to work?

look at his stats.... shooting under 40 percent (from the beginning) and having a spot on an NBA roster, is unheard of

Remember Tony Allen/Bruce Bowen? They made 4-6 million per season max....  They shot better than 40 percent on average at least

Ainge wants to keep Smart ... but on a fair deal/avoid Wyc from paying extra fees/tax as much as possible

If rumors were true that Smart was offered a 7-8 million a season deal during last season.....  and currently the Q.... 

Sounds like Ainge doesn't want to reach out first, to offer the same numbers he has already offered. Instead Ainge (who is on the driver seat right now, since there is no noise about a potential team signing him to an offer sheet) is waiting for Smart and reps to call him....and take the offer(s), Ainge has laid out on the table

Those numbers aren't relevant to today. The salary cap is nearly double what it was when Tony Allen's rookie contract ended in 2010.

Percent of the salary cap would be more relevant

[jambr380]

Smart either takes a multi year deal (approx  9 million per season or takes the qualifying offer and bets on himself he will be able to get more money as a ufa next offseason

He is not getting what he is hoping for ... from anybody

Prob the best case scenerio at this point is...2 year deal for 18 million with 2nd year player option.... I cant see why the Celts wouldnt at least provide this flexibility

Yeah, both sides win here. We get to keep Smart for atleast another year with a raise, and he gets to choose if he wants to go out of the market again next year.

I like this. I think this is where we should go.

Is this just a good faith sort-of thing where we hope Smart will give us a good deal next summer? Otherwise, it is giving him $9M this year instead of the QO and him declining his option next year.

I think the only way we go multi-year with a player option is on at least a 3-yr deal; otherwise, Danny will just let him play for the QO and hope to re-sign him next year. Either way, Smart is going to take the best deal that works for him in 2019 - either from the Cs or another team. We will also have a much better picture of Kyrie's/Rozier's future.

[dreamgreen]

I think the problem a lot of Smart fans on here are having is they see bad money being thrown around to players that don't deserve it. So they think that you just overpay for a guys like Smart like the others teams have (Utah) and it doesn't matter. But the problem is it does matter! You have luxury tax issues, roster building on and on. Those other teams don't manage their cap well often, make poor moves and are always just hoping they make the playoffs. You guys want to pay our 6th, maybe 7th or 8th man depending on line ups $10-14m a year! No good team in the NBA is paying that guy 8 figures!! Players that earn that kind of money are starters. Danny is not going to overpay for a combo guard that can't shoot, he can't!

Imagine if Andre Iguodala got paid 3/48, or Eric Gordon 4/53

No way those successful teams would ever pay bench players that much. It's not like being over the cap severely limits your ability to add yalent, and letting talent go for nothing will hurt long-term

Danny will let him walk if keeping him would cost something like $14 million, but I don't see anyone here saying to pay that (or any team that will offer him that)

I'm not sure the intention was to have those guys come off the bench when they signed those deals and when healthy both those players are better than Smart! Also I have seen people on here saying he's worth $14m a year that's what scares the hell out of me! He's a hard nose player that's nice to have on the team don't get me wrong. But when you can't shoot you can't shoot. Take the QO practice shooting all off season and see if transfers into the games and if it does he will get some good offers.

[BitterJim]

The reality is

Smart has barely improved since his rookie season (outside of rookie to vet wrinkles).  He is still shooting under 40 percent.  Self inflicting hand injury last season during a critical stretch was dumb.  After losing to the Cavs (horrible shooting night) , "back up the brinks truck" comment was the even dumber

Smart intangibles (especially on defense) is valuable. But his offense plain out stinks. 

Q offer for approx 6 million =  5 million for defense and 1 million for offense.   If the old offer is still good.... 8 million per season = 6-7 million for defense and 1 million for offense.  There is little to no hope Smart offense gets any better

Maybe what Smart should do is get a new agent....set things straight

The game (even the offensive end) is more than just shooting. His shooting may not have improved, but the rest of his game (individual defence, team defense, rebounding, passing, and posting up smaller players) have all improved greatly since his rookie year.

What should Smart have said when asked if he thought he was worth what he was asking for at the beginning of the season? "No, I don't think teams should spend money on me. They should offer the vet min at most"? No player will ever talk down their value when asked point blank about it. There's a big difference between simply answering a question and bringing up your next contract a lot/wearing custom sandals with a Brinks truck on them