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Re: Stevens IS THE Coach of the year
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2018, 10:45:53 AM »

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Koz so we are losing IT (who played incredible last year), Bradley, Crowder and KO and Amir Johnson. 5 of our top 8 rotation players from last season and 3 starters. We replace them with Kyrie for 60 games, Marcus Morris for 49 games and a bunch of rookies and you expect 53 wins still? That doesn't make any sense.
Amir Johnson, really?  ;D ;D ;D

We replaced Thomas, Bradley, Crowder, and Olynyk with Irving, Morris, Baynes, and (once Hayward got injured) increased role for Brown/Tatum. Crowder/Olynyk and Morris/Baynes are largely a wash. Irving is an upgrade over IT, and Brown/Tatum over AB is up for a debate. In my mind, however much we lose by having to play the relatively unproven Brown over AB, it's compensated by the fact that having Irving is just plain better than having to tailor the entire offensive and defensive scheme of a team around Isaiah Thomas.

So yeah, while matching last year's win total wasn't a given, expecting 44 wins was pure insanity. Even if Tatum was struggling, this team should have been able to start Morris at SF and win close to 50 games easily.

Any team that turns over all but 4 of their players is subject to exceptional variability. If you thought anything would come "easily" this year then it demonstrates a shocking lack of common sense.

You also missed the important part of his post. Kyrie for 60 games. Morris for 49. Smart for 54. Every single player but Rozier, Tatum and maybe Horford has missed more than 10 games. A bench almost entirely comprised of rookies. When you take all of that into account this team could have easily sunk into chaos. We've had rookies play 26% of the minutes this year. That's an astounding number for a 50 win team and that's due to Brad.


TP Granath,
Usually, when a team turns over +70% (13/17 new players) players it leads to better chances of winning a lottery, than improving on an already high 53 win bar.
I can't remember any similar example in 72 seasons long NBA history to what Stevens (Celtics)  did this year.
Correct me if I am wrong.
Cleveland currently has 5 players that were on the Finals team last year: James, Love, Thompson, Korver, and Smith, and turned over nearly half the roster a month ago.  OKC only returned Westbrook, Adams, Roberson (out), Grant, Abrines, and Collison (never plays).  Similarly, Minnesota also only returned 7 players: KAT, Wiggins, Dieng, Muhammad, Jones, Bjelica, and Aldrich, a couple of which are end of the bench guys that barely play. 

Now granted that isn't quite the same as 4, but lots of teams, even very good ones, have a lot of turnover. 
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Re: Stevens IS THE Coach of the year
« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2018, 11:03:04 AM »

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Stevens does everything you want from your coach:

* He’s good at Xs and Os;

* He adapts to situations, like the 2-3 zone the other night;

* He gets his players to buy in and to be ready in case they’re called on;

* He keeps a cohesive locker room

I know there have been a few quibbles about in-game strategy such as calling time outs or fouling in certain situations, but I really wonder how many coaches could deal with the adversity of this season and still win 50 games.

I really can’t decide: is this his best year, or was 2015?


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Re: Stevens IS THE Coach of the year
« Reply #32 on: March 30, 2018, 11:11:03 AM »

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Koz so we are losing IT (who played incredible last year), Bradley, Crowder and KO and Amir Johnson. 5 of our top 8 rotation players from last season and 3 starters. We replace them with Kyrie for 60 games, Marcus Morris for 49 games and a bunch of rookies and you expect 53 wins still? That doesn't make any sense.
Amir Johnson, really?  ;D ;D ;D

We replaced Thomas, Bradley, Crowder, and Olynyk with Irving, Morris, Baynes, and (once Hayward got injured) increased role for Brown/Tatum. Crowder/Olynyk and Morris/Baynes are largely a wash. Irving is an upgrade over IT, and Brown/Tatum over AB is up for a debate. In my mind, however much we lose by having to play the relatively unproven Brown over AB, it's compensated by the fact that having Irving is just plain better than having to tailor the entire offensive and defensive scheme of a team around Isaiah Thomas.

So yeah, while matching last year's win total wasn't a given, expecting 44 wins was pure insanity. Even if Tatum was struggling, this team should have been able to start Morris at SF and win close to 50 games easily.

Any team that turns over all but 4 of their players is subject to exceptional variability. If you thought anything would come "easily" this year then it demonstrates a shocking lack of common sense.

You also missed the important part of his post. Kyrie for 60 games. Morris for 49. Smart for 54. Every single player but Rozier, Tatum and maybe Horford has missed more than 10 games. A bench almost entirely comprised of rookies. When you take all of that into account this team could have easily sunk into chaos. We've had rookies play 26% of the minutes this year. That's an astounding number for a 50 win team and that's due to Brad.


TP Granath,
Usually, when a team turns over +70% (13/17 new players) players it leads to better chances of winning a lottery, than improving on an already high 53 win bar.
I can't remember any similar example in 72 seasons long NBA history to what Stevens (Celtics)  did this year.
Correct me if I am wrong.
Cleveland currently has 5 players that were on the Finals team last year: James, Love, Thompson, Korver, and Smith, and turned over nearly half the roster a month ago.  OKC only returned Westbrook, Adams, Roberson (out), Grant, Abrines, and Collison (never plays).  Similarly, Minnesota also only returned 7 players: KAT, Wiggins, Dieng, Muhammad, Jones, Bjelica, and Aldrich, a couple of which are end of the bench guys that barely play. 

Now granted that isn't quite the same as 4, but lots of teams, even very good ones, have a lot of turnover.

Cavs had Lebron last year.   Their best player. They have him again this year.  They had Love last year.  Arguably their 2nd or probably their 3rd best player.  They have him back again this year.  Plus turnover.

OKC has Westbrook last year.  Their best player.  They have him again this year. Plus turnover.

MIN had Towns last year.  Their best player.  They have him again this year.  Plus turnober

Celtics replaced their best player with a totally different guy who is now their best player.  Plus a ton of other turnover. 

What the Celtics have done is much more remarkable.  Especially when you factor in all this injury stuff too (fully aware of Love's woes). 
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Re: Stevens IS THE Coach of the year
« Reply #33 on: March 30, 2018, 11:16:15 AM »

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Stevens does everything you want from your coach:

* He’s good at Xs and Os;

* He adapts to situations, like the 2-3 zone the other night;

* He gets his players to buy in and to be ready in case they’re called on;

* He keeps a cohesive locker room

I know there have been a few quibbles about in-game strategy such as calling time outs or fouling in certain situations, but I really wonder how many coaches could deal with the adversity of this season and still win 50 games.

I really can’t decide: is this his best year, or was 2015?

Post ASG break has sold me on this season being it.


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Re: Stevens IS THE Coach of the year
« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2018, 11:24:25 AM »

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Koz so we are losing IT (who played incredible last year), Bradley, Crowder and KO and Amir Johnson. 5 of our top 8 rotation players from last season and 3 starters. We replace them with Kyrie for 60 games, Marcus Morris for 49 games and a bunch of rookies and you expect 53 wins still? That doesn't make any sense.
Amir Johnson, really?  ;D ;D ;D

We replaced Thomas, Bradley, Crowder, and Olynyk with Irving, Morris, Baynes, and (once Hayward got injured) increased role for Brown/Tatum. Crowder/Olynyk and Morris/Baynes are largely a wash. Irving is an upgrade over IT, and Brown/Tatum over AB is up for a debate. In my mind, however much we lose by having to play the relatively unproven Brown over AB, it's compensated by the fact that having Irving is just plain better than having to tailor the entire offensive and defensive scheme of a team around Isaiah Thomas.

So yeah, while matching last year's win total wasn't a given, expecting 44 wins was pure insanity. Even if Tatum was struggling, this team should have been able to start Morris at SF and win close to 50 games easily.

Any team that turns over all but 4 of their players is subject to exceptional variability. If you thought anything would come "easily" this year then it demonstrates a shocking lack of common sense.

You also missed the important part of his post. Kyrie for 60 games. Morris for 49. Smart for 54. Every single player but Rozier, Tatum and maybe Horford has missed more than 10 games. A bench almost entirely comprised of rookies. When you take all of that into account this team could have easily sunk into chaos. We've had rookies play 26% of the minutes this year. That's an astounding number for a 50 win team and that's due to Brad.


TP Granath,
Usually, when a team turns over +70% (13/17 new players) players it leads to better chances of winning a lottery, than improving on an already high 53 win bar.
I can't remember any similar example in 72 seasons long NBA history to what Stevens (Celtics)  did this year.
Correct me if I am wrong.
Cleveland currently has 5 players that were on the Finals team last year: James, Love, Thompson, Korver, and Smith, and turned over nearly half the roster a month ago.  OKC only returned Westbrook, Adams, Roberson (out), Grant, Abrines, and Collison (never plays).  Similarly, Minnesota also only returned 7 players: KAT, Wiggins, Dieng, Muhammad, Jones, Bjelica, and Aldrich, a couple of which are end of the bench guys that barely play. 

Now granted that isn't quite the same as 4, but lots of teams, even very good ones, have a lot of turnover.

That makes it sound like all turnover is equal.  There's a big difference between a team returning 5 players, but keeping 4 out of the 5 best players, and a team keeping 5 players but keeping only 1 out of 5 best players (just a random example).

This is the % returning from your examples based on regular season points and minutes.

Minutes:
BOS = 36%
CLE = 46% now, 62% to start the season
OKC = 52%
MIN = 64%

Points:
BOS = 31%
CLE = 49% now, 63% to start the season
OKC = 55%
MIN = 73%


Edit: wonder if it would look different if I looked at playoffs instead, so here we go, % returining from last year's playoffs:

Playoff Mins:
BOS = 38%
CLE = 62% now, 72% to start the season
OKC = 61%

Playoff Points:
BOS = 32%
CLE = 62% now, 70% to start the season
OKC = 68%
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Re: Stevens IS THE Coach of the year
« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2018, 12:20:07 PM »

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CBS is TWICE the coach ......and  10 times on Sunday ...but.....

The coach for the Raptors will get COY .


They are still basically a two player team .    He has actually added some plays ...still its a joke ...their coach is not much above HS level IQ .....plays to what was last year just simple  ISO ball ....between two players. 

Bit thats the way it is 2018 ..... just gotta laugh it off.

Re: Stevens IS THE Coach of the year
« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2018, 12:37:21 PM »

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Koz so we are losing IT (who played incredible last year), Bradley, Crowder and KO and Amir Johnson. 5 of our top 8 rotation players from last season and 3 starters. We replace them with Kyrie for 60 games, Marcus Morris for 49 games and a bunch of rookies and you expect 53 wins still? That doesn't make any sense.
Amir Johnson, really?  ;D ;D ;D

We replaced Thomas, Bradley, Crowder, and Olynyk with Irving, Morris, Baynes, and (once Hayward got injured) increased role for Brown/Tatum. Crowder/Olynyk and Morris/Baynes are largely a wash. Irving is an upgrade over IT, and Brown/Tatum over AB is up for a debate. In my mind, however much we lose by having to play the relatively unproven Brown over AB, it's compensated by the fact that having Irving is just plain better than having to tailor the entire offensive and defensive scheme of a team around Isaiah Thomas.

So yeah, while matching last year's win total wasn't a given, expecting 44 wins was pure insanity. Even if Tatum was struggling, this team should have been able to start Morris at SF and win close to 50 games easily.

Any team that turns over all but 4 of their players is subject to exceptional variability. If you thought anything would come "easily" this year then it demonstrates a shocking lack of common sense.

You also missed the important part of his post. Kyrie for 60 games. Morris for 49. Smart for 54. Every single player but Rozier, Tatum and maybe Horford has missed more than 10 games. A bench almost entirely comprised of rookies. When you take all of that into account this team could have easily sunk into chaos. We've had rookies play 26% of the minutes this year. That's an astounding number for a 50 win team and that's due to Brad.


TP Granath,
Usually, when a team turns over +70% (13/17 new players) players it leads to better chances of winning a lottery, than improving on an already high 53 win bar.
I can't remember any similar example in 72 seasons long NBA history to what Stevens (Celtics)  did this year.
Correct me if I am wrong.
Cleveland currently has 5 players that were on the Finals team last year: James, Love, Thompson, Korver, and Smith, and turned over nearly half the roster a month ago.  OKC only returned Westbrook, Adams, Roberson (out), Grant, Abrines, and Collison (never plays).  Similarly, Minnesota also only returned 7 players: KAT, Wiggins, Dieng, Muhammad, Jones, Bjelica, and Aldrich, a couple of which are end of the bench guys that barely play. 

Now granted that isn't quite the same as 4, but lots of teams, even very good ones, have a lot of turnover.

That makes it sound like all turnover is equal.  There's a big difference between the a returning 5 players, but keeping 4 out of the 5 best players, and a team keeping 5 players but keeping only 1 out of 5 best players (just a random example).

This is the % returning from your examples based on regular season points and minutes.

Minutes:
BOS = 36%
CLE = 46% now, 62% to start the season
OKC = 52%
MIN = 64%

Points:
BOS = 31%
CLE = 49% now, 63% to start the season
OKC = 55%
MIN = 73%


Edit: wonder if it would look different if I looked at playoffs instead, so here we go, % returining from last year's playoffs:

Playoff Mins:
BOS = 38%
CLE = 62% now, 72% to start the season
OKC = 61%

Playoff Points:
BOS = 32%
CLE = 62% now, 70% to start the season
OKC = 68%

Well there goes that comparison. Very well done. TP

Re: Stevens IS THE Coach of the year
« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2018, 12:51:06 PM »

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Koz so we are losing IT (who played incredible last year), Bradley, Crowder and KO and Amir Johnson. 5 of our top 8 rotation players from last season and 3 starters. We replace them with Kyrie for 60 games, Marcus Morris for 49 games and a bunch of rookies and you expect 53 wins still? That doesn't make any sense.
Amir Johnson, really?  ;D ;D ;D

We replaced Thomas, Bradley, Crowder, and Olynyk with Irving, Morris, Baynes, and (once Hayward got injured) increased role for Brown/Tatum. Crowder/Olynyk and Morris/Baynes are largely a wash. Irving is an upgrade over IT, and Brown/Tatum over AB is up for a debate. In my mind, however much we lose by having to play the relatively unproven Brown over AB, it's compensated by the fact that having Irving is just plain better than having to tailor the entire offensive and defensive scheme of a team around Isaiah Thomas.

So yeah, while matching last year's win total wasn't a given, expecting 44 wins was pure insanity. Even if Tatum was struggling, this team should have been able to start Morris at SF and win close to 50 games easily.

Any team that turns over all but 4 of their players is subject to exceptional variability. If you thought anything would come "easily" this year then it demonstrates a shocking lack of common sense.

You also missed the important part of his post. Kyrie for 60 games. Morris for 49. Smart for 54. Every single player but Rozier, Tatum and maybe Horford has missed more than 10 games. A bench almost entirely comprised of rookies. When you take all of that into account this team could have easily sunk into chaos. We've had rookies play 26% of the minutes this year. That's an astounding number for a 50 win team and that's due to Brad.


TP Granath,
Usually, when a team turns over +70% (13/17 new players) players it leads to better chances of winning a lottery, than improving on an already high 53 win bar.
I can't remember any similar example in 72 seasons long NBA history to what Stevens (Celtics)  did this year.
Correct me if I am wrong.
Cleveland currently has 5 players that were on the Finals team last year: James, Love, Thompson, Korver, and Smith, and turned over nearly half the roster a month ago.  OKC only returned Westbrook, Adams, Roberson (out), Grant, Abrines, and Collison (never plays).  Similarly, Minnesota also only returned 7 players: KAT, Wiggins, Dieng, Muhammad, Jones, Bjelica, and Aldrich, a couple of which are end of the bench guys that barely play. 

Now granted that isn't quite the same as 4, but lots of teams, even very good ones, have a lot of turnover.

Cavs had Lebron last year.   Their best player. They have him again this year.  They had Love last year.  Arguably their 2nd or probably their 3rd best player.  They have him back again this year.  Plus turnover.

OKC has Westbrook last year.  Their best player.  They have him again this year. Plus turnover.

MIN had Towns last year.  Their best player.  They have him again this year.  Plus turnober

Celtics replaced their best player with a totally different guy who is now their best player.  Plus a ton of other turnover. 

What the Celtics have done is much more remarkable.  Especially when you factor in all this injury stuff too (fully aware of Love's woes).
Sure, but there are 3 other examples of playoff teams this year which lost more than half their roster from last year.

The 92/93 Bulls won the title, the next season they were a 55 win team with just Pippen, Grant, Armstrong, Cartwright, Paxson, and Williams back on the team.  They obviously not only lost the best player in the game, they didn't even remotely replace him and yet were still a 55 win team.

Or how about the 96/97 Lakers.  They were a 56 win team that season (53 wins the prior year).  They returned only Jones, Van Exel, Ceballos, Campbell, and Blount.  Ceballos played in 8 games before he was traded that season and Blount played in just 3 of their 9 playoff games (so was obviously not a main player).  Thus, Jones, Van Exel, and Campbell were the only 3 rotation players that went from 95/96 to 96/97. 

Plenty of very good teams have had a lot of turnover from one season to the next.  Boston has a touch more turnover than most of those type teams, but not so much more that it is outside the realm of possibility.  That was the point I was making. 
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« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2018, 01:23:50 PM »

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Koz so we are losing IT (who played incredible last year), Bradley, Crowder and KO and Amir Johnson. 5 of our top 8 rotation players from last season and 3 starters. We replace them with Kyrie for 60 games, Marcus Morris for 49 games and a bunch of rookies and you expect 53 wins still? That doesn't make any sense.
Amir Johnson, really?  ;D ;D ;D

We replaced Thomas, Bradley, Crowder, and Olynyk with Irving, Morris, Baynes, and (once Hayward got injured) increased role for Brown/Tatum. Crowder/Olynyk and Morris/Baynes are largely a wash. Irving is an upgrade over IT, and Brown/Tatum over AB is up for a debate. In my mind, however much we lose by having to play the relatively unproven Brown over AB, it's compensated by the fact that having Irving is just plain better than having to tailor the entire offensive and defensive scheme of a team around Isaiah Thomas.

So yeah, while matching last year's win total wasn't a given, expecting 44 wins was pure insanity. Even if Tatum was struggling, this team should have been able to start Morris at SF and win close to 50 games easily.

Any team that turns over all but 4 of their players is subject to exceptional variability. If you thought anything would come "easily" this year then it demonstrates a shocking lack of common sense.

You also missed the important part of his post. Kyrie for 60 games. Morris for 49. Smart for 54. Every single player but Rozier, Tatum and maybe Horford has missed more than 10 games. A bench almost entirely comprised of rookies. When you take all of that into account this team could have easily sunk into chaos. We've had rookies play 26% of the minutes this year. That's an astounding number for a 50 win team and that's due to Brad.


TP Granath,
Usually, when a team turns over +70% (13/17 new players) players it leads to better chances of winning a lottery, than improving on an already high 53 win bar.
I can't remember any similar example in 72 seasons long NBA history to what Stevens (Celtics)  did this year.
Correct me if I am wrong.
Cleveland currently has 5 players that were on the Finals team last year: James, Love, Thompson, Korver, and Smith, and turned over nearly half the roster a month ago.  OKC only returned Westbrook, Adams, Roberson (out), Grant, Abrines, and Collison (never plays).  Similarly, Minnesota also only returned 7 players: KAT, Wiggins, Dieng, Muhammad, Jones, Bjelica, and Aldrich, a couple of which are end of the bench guys that barely play. 

Now granted that isn't quite the same as 4, but lots of teams, even very good ones, have a lot of turnover.

Cavs had Lebron last year.   Their best player. They have him again this year.  They had Love last year.  Arguably their 2nd or probably their 3rd best player.  They have him back again this year.  Plus turnover.

OKC has Westbrook last year.  Their best player.  They have him again this year. Plus turnover.

MIN had Towns last year.  Their best player.  They have him again this year.  Plus turnober

Celtics replaced their best player with a totally different guy who is now their best player.  Plus a ton of other turnover. 

What the Celtics have done is much more remarkable.  Especially when you factor in all this injury stuff too (fully aware of Love's woes).
Sure, but there are 3 other examples of playoff teams this year which lost more than half their roster from last year.

The 92/93 Bulls won the title, the next season they were a 55 win team with just Pippen, Grant, Armstrong, Cartwright, Paxson, and Williams back on the team.  They obviously not only lost the best player in the game, they didn't even remotely replace him and yet were still a 55 win team.

Or how about the 96/97 Lakers.  They were a 56 win team that season (53 wins the prior year).  They returned only Jones, Van Exel, Ceballos, Campbell, and Blount.  Ceballos played in 8 games before he was traded that season and Blount played in just 3 of their 9 playoff games (so was obviously not a main player).  Thus, Jones, Van Exel, and Campbell were the only 3 rotation players that went from 95/96 to 96/97. 

Plenty of very good teams have had a lot of turnover from one season to the next.  Boston has a touch more turnover than most of those type teams, but not so much more that it is outside the realm of possibility.  That was the point I was making.

Bdm kind of defeated this comparison pretty fiercely with the actual statistics
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Re: Stevens IS THE Coach of the year
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Koz so we are losing IT (who played incredible last year), Bradley, Crowder and KO and Amir Johnson. 5 of our top 8 rotation players from last season and 3 starters. We replace them with Kyrie for 60 games, Marcus Morris for 49 games and a bunch of rookies and you expect 53 wins still? That doesn't make any sense.
Amir Johnson, really?  ;D ;D ;D

We replaced Thomas, Bradley, Crowder, and Olynyk with Irving, Morris, Baynes, and (once Hayward got injured) increased role for Brown/Tatum. Crowder/Olynyk and Morris/Baynes are largely a wash. Irving is an upgrade over IT, and Brown/Tatum over AB is up for a debate. In my mind, however much we lose by having to play the relatively unproven Brown over AB, it's compensated by the fact that having Irving is just plain better than having to tailor the entire offensive and defensive scheme of a team around Isaiah Thomas.

So yeah, while matching last year's win total wasn't a given, expecting 44 wins was pure insanity. Even if Tatum was struggling, this team should have been able to start Morris at SF and win close to 50 games easily.

Any team that turns over all but 4 of their players is subject to exceptional variability. If you thought anything would come "easily" this year then it demonstrates a shocking lack of common sense.

You also missed the important part of his post. Kyrie for 60 games. Morris for 49. Smart for 54. Every single player but Rozier, Tatum and maybe Horford has missed more than 10 games. A bench almost entirely comprised of rookies. When you take all of that into account this team could have easily sunk into chaos. We've had rookies play 26% of the minutes this year. That's an astounding number for a 50 win team and that's due to Brad.


TP Granath,
Usually, when a team turns over +70% (13/17 new players) players it leads to better chances of winning a lottery, than improving on an already high 53 win bar.
I can't remember any similar example in 72 seasons long NBA history to what Stevens (Celtics)  did this year.
Correct me if I am wrong.
Cleveland currently has 5 players that were on the Finals team last year: James, Love, Thompson, Korver, and Smith, and turned over nearly half the roster a month ago.  OKC only returned Westbrook, Adams, Roberson (out), Grant, Abrines, and Collison (never plays).  Similarly, Minnesota also only returned 7 players: KAT, Wiggins, Dieng, Muhammad, Jones, Bjelica, and Aldrich, a couple of which are end of the bench guys that barely play. 

Now granted that isn't quite the same as 4, but lots of teams, even very good ones, have a lot of turnover.

Cavs had Lebron last year.   Their best player. They have him again this year.  They had Love last year.  Arguably their 2nd or probably their 3rd best player.  They have him back again this year.  Plus turnover.

OKC has Westbrook last year.  Their best player.  They have him again this year. Plus turnover.

MIN had Towns last year.  Their best player.  They have him again this year.  Plus turnober

Celtics replaced their best player with a totally different guy who is now their best player.  Plus a ton of other turnover. 

What the Celtics have done is much more remarkable.  Especially when you factor in all this injury stuff too (fully aware of Love's woes).
Sure, but there are 3 other examples of playoff teams this year which lost more than half their roster from last year.

The 92/93 Bulls won the title, the next season they were a 55 win team with just Pippen, Grant, Armstrong, Cartwright, Paxson, and Williams back on the team.  They obviously not only lost the best player in the game, they didn't even remotely replace him and yet were still a 55 win team.

Or how about the 96/97 Lakers.  They were a 56 win team that season (53 wins the prior year).  They returned only Jones, Van Exel, Ceballos, Campbell, and Blount.  Ceballos played in 8 games before he was traded that season and Blount played in just 3 of their 9 playoff games (so was obviously not a main player).  Thus, Jones, Van Exel, and Campbell were the only 3 rotation players that went from 95/96 to 96/97. 

Plenty of very good teams have had a lot of turnover from one season to the next.  Boston has a touch more turnover than most of those type teams, but not so much more that it is outside the realm of possibility.  That was the point I was making.

Bdm kind of defeated this comparison pretty fiercely with the actual statistics
sure that the Celtics returned 37.7% of their playoff minutes from 4 of their top 8 performers.  While a team like OKC returned 60.6% of its playoff minutes (and 5 of its top 7), though 15.4% of that is Roberson who is done for the year and has been for quite some time. Or the Cavs who have 62.4% and 5 of their top 6 last year, though Thompson and Smith both got heavy minutes and won't this year (and James himself was over 17% of the total minutes by the Cavs).  I mean should Cleveland be penalized because James played 41.3 mpg, while Horford could only be bothered to play less than 34 mpg. 
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Re: Stevens IS THE Coach of the year
« Reply #40 on: March 30, 2018, 02:19:56 PM »

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lol

This team is worse than last year. Stay in your bubble, Celticsblog.
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Re: Stevens IS THE Coach of the year
« Reply #41 on: March 30, 2018, 03:09:42 PM »

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This team is worse than last year. Stay in your bubble, Celticsblog.
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Re: Stevens IS THE Coach of the year
« Reply #42 on: March 30, 2018, 03:12:02 PM »

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You also missed the important part of his post. Kyrie for 60 games. Morris for 49. Smart for 54. Every single player but Rozier, Tatum and maybe Horford has missed more than 10 games.
If every one of our starters (not named Irving) plays in just 8 of the remaining 12 games, all of them would have played at least 72 games this season. So yeah, we've had a good amount of injuries, but most of the core players have suited up most of the time.

A bench almost entirely comprised of rookies. When you take all of that into account this team could have easily sunk into chaos. We've had rookies play 26% of the minutes this year. That's an astounding number for a 50 win team and that's due to Brad.
If you think a bench consisting entirely of rookies is such a big issue, I don't see how you dispute Brett Brown's impending COY award, given that he's about to win close to 50 games with a starting lineup featuring 4 guys with an average of 0.75 years of NBA experience and a roster with 10 guys who've been in the NBA for less than two years.
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Re: Stevens IS THE Coach of the year
« Reply #43 on: March 30, 2018, 03:39:50 PM »

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It's him or Casey, but recency bias and the attention-grabbing nature of our sweep on this trip has probably just about sealed it for Brad.

Good for him, he deserves it (so does Casey tbf).  Now next year he can deal with expectations being so high he basically can't exceed them, so we can all start tearing him down in earnest  ;)

I think Dantoni deserves it over Stevens.  He has really turned Harden into a force.

Re: Stevens IS THE Coach of the year
« Reply #44 on: March 30, 2018, 03:52:12 PM »

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It's him or Casey, but recency bias and the attention-grabbing nature of our sweep on this trip has probably just about sealed it for Brad.

Good for him, he deserves it (so does Casey tbf).  Now next year he can deal with expectations being so high he basically can't exceed them, so we can all start tearing him down in earnest  ;)

I think Dantoni deserves it over Stevens.  He has really turned Harden into a force.
D'Antoni won it last year. I'm partial to Brown or Snyder.
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