Greg Monroe a big liability???

[rollie mass]

The stats are showing just how poorly the Celts play with him on court-both offensively and defensivly.He is a liability on switches something Boston is very good at.Obviously Horford and Theis are good at this even Baynes has good lateral.I realize it takes time to integrate but Monroe is a whole different animal than what we are used to and Brad and his teammates need to figure out how to work this or just write the experiment off.What are others thoughts on this?
Is Monroe  a throwback toothless dinosaur??? .

[Phantom255x]

I agree, but I think you have to realize that Ainge made this move primarily to help with certain matchups in the playoffs.

Remember Gerald Green last year and his great impact in that Bulls series?

Monroe could certainly help in spurts dealing with the likes of Drummond, Whiteside, Embiid, etc. in the playoffs especially in the early rounds.

Although he still looked a bit shaky, I thought he did well against Drummond, a guy who usually kills us with 25/25 games, but in the last game he only had 15/15 against us (which is great but not as exceptional, and we can take that).

[celticsclay]

I have been a little disappointed with him so far. I am not sure if part of this is tied to conditioning.

[jbpats]

He's stunk, but he cost us virtually nothing so I wouldn't consider him a liability.
He figures it out come playoff time its a win/win, if he doesnt, well then he doesn't play.

Personally I love what Theiss has been doing for us, I think him starting and Baynes coming off the bench is more than enough for this team at Center.

[tarheelsxxiii]

He's just not that good.  Slower than Amir was last year, which is brutal.  We shouldve pried away Holes from Philly where he just goes to waste behind Amir, Booker, and soon Ilyasova.

[Vermont Green]

I am disappointed so far, as I expect most everyone is.  I am hoping that perhaps he got out of shape sitting on the bench in Phoenix.  He played very sporadically there.  He has looked out of shape and clumsy.  I thought he was better than what he has shown so far, whatever the reason.  Being this out of shape mid season, even considering the trade and other issues, is just not a good look.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Agreed. 82 minutes mid-season is enough to make this decision.

 

[tarheelsxxiii]

Agreed. 82 minutes mid-season is enough to make this decision.

 

No appreciation for watching him play? As I stated, he's incredibly slow at this stage and his game is dated.

[MJohnnyboy]

I am an opti-Moose, but he has been a disappointment so far. I attribute that to a few factors.

1. Mid-season acquisitions are risks. That's mainly because they have no reps on the team. No training camp, no pre-season, and have only 20-25 games to acclimate themselves. It's a lot to ask for a player no matter how good they are.
2. Monroe is out of shape. In the 41 games he was technically on the Suns, he played in 20 of them, and even then, he was playing on a team that wasn't trying to win. His lack of conditioning is not surpising.
3. Monroe is an awkward fit in Stevens system. He doesn't stretch the floor and his defense is limited. That doesn't go well with a team that relies heavily on the perimeter on both sides of the ball.

The Celtics brought in Moose primarily for scoring. He has performed below expectations so far but I trust that he and Brad will work out the kinks. If they don't, it's not the worst thing in the world.

[Rondo9]

Ssseessh he hasn't even played 10 games here and was sat out in his final weeks with the Suns. I'm not surprised that he's adjusting.

[Boris Badenov]

The stats are showing just how poorly the Celts play with him on court-both offensively and defenseivly.He is a liability on switches something Boston is very good at.Obviously Horford and Theis are good at this even Baynes has good lateral.I realize it takes time to integrate but Monroe is a whole different animal than what we are used to and Brad and his teammates need to figure out how to work this or just write the experiment off.What are others thoughts on this?
Is Monroe  a throwback toothless dinosaur .

Setting aside the absurdity of reaching a conclusion after a handful of games, what stats are you looking at?

Because while the offensive numbers are atrocious, his defensive numbers are quite good. His on/off splits are great for points (101 vs. 110) and shooting (47% vs. 53% eFG%). His DBPM is 3.8 which would be best on the team if carried through for a whole season.

To be clear: these numbers are pretty uninformative given the sample size. But, let's at least make sure we get them right before we jump to unfounded conclusions based on them.

[KGs Knee]

Monroe certainly has seemed to be a square peg to the Celtics round hole.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Agreed. 82 minutes mid-season is enough to make this decision.

 

No appreciation for watching him play? As I stated, he's incredibly slow at this stage and his game is dated.

That's always been the case. Monroe has never succeeded by his speed. He is a smarts and strength player.

We have no niche carved out for a strength offensive player (postup offense hasn't been in our playbook for awhile). Smarts takes time and players get comfortable with each other.

I'm confident he will help us win some important games. Regular season is the time to figure that out.

[mef730]

Agreed. 82 minutes mid-season is enough to make this decision.

 

82 minutes in the real world: just over an hour

82 minutes on Celticsblog: a lifetime. more than most players get before we judge them.

Mike

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I am an opti-Moose, but he has been a disappointment so far. I attribute that to a few factors.

1. Mid-season acquisitions are risks. That's mainly because they have no reps on the team. No training camp, no pre-season, and have only 20-25 games to acclimate themselves. It's a lot to ask for a player no matter how good they are.
2. Monroe is out of shape. In the 41 games he was technically on the Suns, he played in 20 of them, and even then, he was playing on a team that wasn't trying to win. His lack of conditioning is not surpising.
3. Monroe is an awkward fit in Stevens system. He doesn't stretch the floor and his defense is limited. That doesn't go well with a team that relies heavily on the perimeter on both sides of the ball.

The Celtics brought in Moose primarily for scoring. He has performed below expectations so far but I trust that he and Brad will work out the kinks. If they don't, it's not the worst thing in the world.

Well put.
He gives us a different look. That's it.
When we need that, we'll have something hopefully serviceable.
No time to improve conditioning though. He's just keeping his value down.