Greg Monroe a big liability???

[JHTruth]

Hurray for Super Small Sample Sizes!!

Here is another one:  28 total rebounds in 170 possessions played for a rate of  16.5 rebounds per 100 possessions!  Tops on Celtics!

Second place:  Theis at 15.2 per 100 possessions.

And note:  Monroe averaged 17.8 rebounds per 100 at Phoenix and 16.4 per 100 at Milwaukee.  So his BOS rate is actually pretty representative.

Hasn't this blog been whining for rebounds most of the last decade?  Now, we finally have a legit, elite rebounder and ... disappointment because he might take a few games to get up to speed?

Monroe has played just 82 minutes for us.   That's an absurdly small sample.  And that includes the two games right before the break when the entire team laid a couple of big, giant smelly rotten eggs.

A little bit of patience is probably called for here.

Sure, patience will be helpful in this case.  But, I just think statistics are vastly overvalued on this blog.  The eye test isn't given enough credit here.  Posters like rollie, for example, provide qualitative evidence of someone's strengths/weaknesses/growth, etc.  If Monroe is in or near game shape, you don't need 80 minutes of data to identify that he seems, at the very least, to be slow and play a relatively dated game. 

There is a reason these guys are bought out, and in Monroe's case, bouncing around the league quite a bit in the past year or two. 

That's not to say he won't contribute in the playoffs, perhaps even have a significant impact in a playoff win or two (e.g., James Harrison).  In fact, I think he will (just as I did JH).  But he wasn't going to change the game of basketball in BOS.  The overreactions of CelticsBlog are more often than not optimistic imo.

Who says he needs to change the game in Boston? He just needs to be a strong contributor. There's no reason he can't be. He may not be in the trendy small-ball mode that many people crave here but he's definitely still capable of being a very important piece. I love the idea that getting high % scores on the post and rebounding are "dated". The NBA coverage has become completely insane..

[Boris Badenov]

As all Celtics fans of recent years should know, the playoffs are mostly a halfcourt game, which depends in large part on having good rebounding—remember how the Lakers killed us in the 2010 Finals? Or how guys like Tristan Thompson have killed us in recent postseasons? That's a big reason why Monroe is here, and he will help.

I think this is right. Monroe will have situational value, and if he helps us win 1 or 2 playoff games, it's a good move to pick him up. It's not like we had to cut another valuable player to make room for him.

If there are growing pains for the last 20 games of the season with Monroe, and as Stevens starts to home in on his playoff rotations, then so be it.

[gouki88]

This blog has been screaming for a big who can rebound and score. Okafor and Monroe have been discussed ad nauseum on this site for years as necessary for having an inside pressence. We finally get Monroe and after 82 minutes of play, he's a liability that isn't needed.

Dang, how about we give the guy a chance?

Don’t go asking for too much now!

[JHTruth]

Hurray for Super Small Sample Sizes!!

Here is another one:  28 total rebounds in 170 possessions played for a rate of  16.5 rebounds per 100 possessions!  Tops on Celtics!

Second place:  Theis at 15.2 per 100 possessions.

And note:  Monroe averaged 17.8 rebounds per 100 at Phoenix and 16.4 per 100 at Milwaukee.  So his BOS rate is actually pretty representative.

Hasn't this blog been whining for rebounds most of the last decade?  Now, we finally have a legit, elite rebounder and ... disappointment because he might take a few games to get up to speed?

Monroe has played just 82 minutes for us.   That's an absurdly small sample.  And that includes the two games right before the break when the entire team laid a couple of big, giant smelly rotten eggs.

A little bit of patience is probably called for here.

Sure, patience will be helpful in this case.  But, I just think statistics are vastly overvalued on this blog.  The eye test isn't given enough credit here.  Posters like rollie, for example, provide qualitative evidence of someone's strengths/weaknesses/growth, etc.  If Monroe is in or near game shape, you don't need 80 minutes of data to identify that he seems, at the very least, to be slow and play a relatively dated game. 

There is a reason these guys are bought out, and in Monroe's case, bouncing around the league quite a bit in the past year or two. 

That's not to say he won't contribute in the playoffs, perhaps even have a significant impact in a playoff win or two (e.g., James Harrison).  In fact, I think he will (just as I did JH).  But he wasn't going to change the game of basketball in BOS.  The overreactions of CelticsBlog are more often than not optimistic imo.

Yeah those dang numbers. Just a quick note, The Celtics when the great Daniel Theis, who I think most of us agree, is a first ballot HOFer, is playing with the other regular starters, are outscored by 12.6 pts per 100 possessions. I think we need a thread on the liability that is Theis.

[mctyson]

Monroe is going to be fine in some matchups, bad in others.  He was good for the team against Washington and he is another guy who can absorb Gortat screens and save some pain for Horford.

Another issue is that Baynes and Theis can get into foul trouble.  I think Ainge said it best that the team was one Baynes ankle twist away from having to start Horford at the 5 - something I think they only want to do situationally (and even then it is a bad idea).

The idea that Monroe would come in and play 15-20 minutes consistently with + production was probably a pipe dream.  But he is what the team needed - another big guy who can grab boards and is not a black hole on offense.

[Surferdad]

Age: 27
Years of NBA experience: 8
Lowest number of games played in a season: 66
Career averages 8.6 rpg, 13.8ppg, 52% 2-point shooting, 70% free throws

What's not to like for a 3rd string center pickup for the playoff run?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/monrogr01.html

[SHAQATTACK]

i think he is very slowly making his way , as is CBS is feeling out schemes to take advantage of Gregs power..   He is learning how and when to make his presence felt in a Boston up tempo offense .

I feel ,  he maybe most useful in the third or early fourth quarter .  Resting Horford and putting pressure on the oppenent around the rim .  Wearing on smaller bigs .  Horford reenters the game during the last 8 minutes with Irving to orchestrate the victory.

i noticed one thing foe certain .....i SEE nobody punking Greg Monroe so far . They know better than to cheap shot him.  , they can die if he returns the favor at the other end....LOL.

I like Monroe and Morris with Smart .  I think he understands their strenghts.

CBS ,,,,,will figure it out .......these new big bigs will help CBS s strategy for when AD is in Boston .

[mr. dee]

Why is everyone looked surprised at Monroe's lack of mobility? We always knew that way before he became a Celtic and we didn't get him for rim protection. Baynes got that covered.We picked him up as a matchup pieces against slow big lineups. His post move is probably the best in this team as his CBS and his boys are setting him up down in the paint. I like his aggressiveness on the offensive end and despite his slow feet, he's actually active on the passing lanes, causing turnovers.

[2short]

Oh boy.
How many games has he played?  Or minutes?
So I tp' d a few in there that have the idea.  Monroe is here for certain match ups and we need him in a groove come playoff time.  Is he our starter? No.  Is he backup center? Not sure

Look at how Morris has improved once healthy and getting more time. 
Let's give Monroe some time.  He is a proven big body  sorry a proven rebounder, good passer and low post scorer.  I'm fine with him being third offensive choice with second unit.  He is on team for solid minutes as a big.  If he shows more than we look at next year.

[RockinRyA]

Hurray for Super Small Sample Sizes!!

Here is another one:  28 total rebounds in 170 possessions played for a rate of  16.5 rebounds per 100 possessions!  Tops on Celtics!

Second place:  Theis at 15.2 per 100 possessions.

And note:  Monroe averaged 17.8 rebounds per 100 at Phoenix and 16.4 per 100 at Milwaukee.  So his BOS rate is actually pretty representative.

Hasn't this blog been whining for rebounds most of the last decade?  Now, we finally have a legit, elite rebounder and ... disappointment because he might take a few games to get up to speed?

Monroe has played just 82 minutes for us.   That's an absurdly small sample.  And that includes the two games right before the break when the entire team laid a couple of big, giant smelly rotten eggs.

A little bit of patience is probably called for here.

Sure, patience will be helpful in this case.  But, I just think statistics are vastly overvalued on this blog.  The eye test isn't given enough credit here.  Posters like rollie, for example, provide qualitative evidence of someone's strengths/weaknesses/growth, etc.  If Monroe is in or near game shape, you don't need 80 minutes of data to identify that he seems, at the very least, to be slow and play a relatively dated game. 

There is a reason these guys are bought out, and in Monroe's case, bouncing around the league quite a bit in the past year or two. 

That's not to say he won't contribute in the playoffs, perhaps even have a significant impact in a playoff win or two (e.g., James Harrison).  In fact, I think he will (just as I did JH).  But he wasn't going to change the game of basketball in BOS.  The overreactions of CelticsBlog are more often than not optimistic imo.

You can give out a better argument than mentioning the guy who think Ojeleye is something this season.

[Boris Badenov]

Age: 27
Years of NBA experience: 8
Lowest number of games played in a season: 66
Career averages 8.6 rpg, 13.8ppg, 52% 2-point shooting, 70% free throws

What's not to like for a 3rd string center pickup for the playoff run?

The EIGHTY TWO MINUTES he's played so far!

[droopdog7]

So was Monroe a DNP coaches decision tonight or did I miss something?

[tarheelsxxiii]

Hurray for Super Small Sample Sizes!!

Here is another one:  28 total rebounds in 170 possessions played for a rate of  16.5 rebounds per 100 possessions!  Tops on Celtics!

Second place:  Theis at 15.2 per 100 possessions.

And note:  Monroe averaged 17.8 rebounds per 100 at Phoenix and 16.4 per 100 at Milwaukee.  So his BOS rate is actually pretty representative.

Hasn't this blog been whining for rebounds most of the last decade?  Now, we finally have a legit, elite rebounder and ... disappointment because he might take a few games to get up to speed?

Monroe has played just 82 minutes for us.   That's an absurdly small sample.  And that includes the two games right before the break when the entire team laid a couple of big, giant smelly rotten eggs.

A little bit of patience is probably called for here.

Sure, patience will be helpful in this case.  But, I just think statistics are vastly overvalued on this blog.  The eye test isn't given enough credit here.  Posters like rollie, for example, provide qualitative evidence of someone's strengths/weaknesses/growth, etc.  If Monroe is in or near game shape, you don't need 80 minutes of data to identify that he seems, at the very least, to be slow and play a relatively dated game. 

There is a reason these guys are bought out, and in Monroe's case, bouncing around the league quite a bit in the past year or two. 

That's not to say he won't contribute in the playoffs, perhaps even have a significant impact in a playoff win or two (e.g., James Harrison).  In fact, I think he will (just as I did JH).  But he wasn't going to change the game of basketball in BOS.  The overreactions of CelticsBlog are more often than not optimistic imo.

You can give out a better argument than mentioning the guy who think Ojeleye is something this season.

Nah, I made another gem of a post.  Those that argued in replies completely missed the premise and/or didn't read, and ironically, agreed with everything I said.  I'm just widely disliked.  No biggie though., and be nice to rollie.

[cltc5]

This Is the same blog that wants to trade smart every other game and then says he's integral to the teams playoff push. The more I read in here the more I have to up my meds.

[lbgreen33]

LOL. sorry but sometimes celticsblog makes me just plain laugh. I remember so many people have wanted Monroe for years, as soon as he becomes a Celtic, "a big liability?" Seems like we hate on our own players way more than players on another team, It seems the grass is always "greener" with a player on another team.  Just read another post about how Kyrie better start playing better defense! What?? I still pinch myself and say, We have Kyrie Irving!!! Oh well, I guess it is of the reason I keep coming Back!