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Re: Crowder can't defend 40 year old Vince Carter
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2018, 11:15:03 AM »

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There were also a fair amount of people on here a while back who thought Olynyk was as good as Giannis. Welcome to Celticsblog.

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Re: Crowder can't defend 40 year old Vince Carter
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2018, 12:01:29 PM »

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Crowder came apart during the ECF, his lack of athleticism and his slow foot speed really became apparent. He can only guard slow bigs everyone else can torch him.

But he is a top ten SF?  JK   That was ridiculous when folks said that.

I think I also remember hearing that Crowder is practically just like Jimmy Butler lol

Put Butler on the Cavs (or Crowder on the Wolves) and I think things become very different for both clubs


There were also a fair amount of people on here a while back who thought Olynyk was as good as Giannis. Welcome to Celticsblog.

Sure, now it's apparent what type of player Crowder is, but he was looking good in 2016 in his first full season in Boston at age 25.

While some of us here are definitely irrational when it comes to evaluating talent in a C's jersey, thinking Crowder was really good was not just some Celticsblog homerism.

Zach Lowe was a big Crowder supporter, in his 10 things I like/don't like, from Nov16 he wrote:
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8. Jae Crowder, getting better every season

...By the end of last season, he was arguably Boston's best all-around player.

...Crowder has become the do-everything third and fourth banana every team wants alongside its stars. He'll never initiate the offense, but he can slice into a scrambled defense when someone else has done the heavy lifting -- and guard three positions on the other end.

For his 2016 All-Star reserves, he listed Crowder as someone who deserves consideration.
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Melo and Thomas get the last two spots in what amounts to a shoulder shrug. Crowder might be Boston's best player, and he deserves consideration for a reserve spot. Thomas takes three or four ghastly shots every game, often with wide-open teammates in his line of sight, and he's so short, he'll always be a liability on defense. But it's unclear if Boston's army of third options could score enough to win -- and for Crowder's ferocious two-way play to draw notice -- without Thomas puncturing defenses. He is the only Celtics ball handler who can hurt you both driving and shooting.

Also listening to Lowe's podcast (back around '16), I know he mentioned that Cleveland would have to listen to a Love for Crowder trade proposal.  Not that they would do it straight up, but they don't hang up the phone on that either.

While nowhere near as credible as Lowe, Crowder also got 2 votes from Bleacher Report's 2016 All-Star ballot.

Crowder looked really good in 2016, especially between Dec-Feb, where he was averaging around 16ppg, 6rpg, 2apg, 1.5spg.  He also missed making the All-Defensive team by one vote that year, something I actually dug into a little to showing he could of actually made it if other voters didn't vote certain players out of position or if different voters from Boston were selected.

Man has Crowder fallen off.  Not just a Cleveland issue, alot of us started to see it last year too (though I'm sure the environment in Cleveland doesn't help).  Personally I think he was like that hungry artist who was out there grinding everyday just trying to survive and putting out killer material, then finally gets mainstream exposure and then puts out nothing but uninspired crap.  That's what I've seen in Crowder the last couple years.

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Re: Crowder can't defend 40 year old Vince Carter
« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2018, 12:42:41 AM »

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It’s very interesting how far Crowder has fallen this year.  His shooting has cratered (lowest since his 3rd season). But he’s also posting career lows in DRB% and TRB%, assist pefentage, steal percentage, and block percentage.  And you can see it with your eyes too.  He was a good NBA player last year, arguably very good.  It’s really unusual for someone at age 27 to have arguably his worst season coming off his two best, with no injuries involved. Yes some credit goes to Brad, but he’s arguably playing worse than his rookie season in Dallas.  Some regression isn’t t shocking, but putting up his worst season really is.

Perhaps it's his mother. I'm not sure of how close they were but I believe he was close enough to her. Mentally I bet that rattled him. He also completely changed systems from team oriented to 1 player centric. One of the best coaches in the game, to one of, in my opinion the worst.

Re: Crowder can't defend 40 year old Vince Carter
« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2018, 01:13:35 AM »

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It’s very interesting how far Crowder has fallen this year.  His shooting has cratered (lowest since his 3rd season). But he’s also posting career lows in DRB% and TRB%, assist pefentage, steal percentage, and block percentage.  And you can see it with your eyes too.  He was a good NBA player last year, arguably very good.  It’s really unusual for someone at age 27 to have arguably his worst season coming off his two best, with no injuries involved. Yes some credit goes to Brad, but he’s arguably playing worse than his rookie season in Dallas.  Some regression isn’t t shocking, but putting up his worst season really is.

It's actually not that interesting. Jae Crowder has never been a good player, let alone a "very good" player. What he is doing now in Cleveland is what he has pretty much done his whole career. We can only expect he will get worse from here as he has always been a slow, mediocre shooter, with no ability to get to the basket. Things will go down hill quick as he will already be 28 next season.
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Re: Crowder can't defend 40 year old Vince Carter
« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2018, 12:25:55 PM »

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It’s very interesting how far Crowder has fallen this year.  His shooting has cratered (lowest since his 3rd season). But he’s also posting career lows in DRB% and TRB%, assist pefentage, steal percentage, and block percentage.  And you can see it with your eyes too.  He was a good NBA player last year, arguably very good.  It’s really unusual for someone at age 27 to have arguably his worst season coming off his two best, with no injuries involved. Yes some credit goes to Brad, but he’s arguably playing worse than his rookie season in Dallas.  Some regression isn’t t shocking, but putting up his worst season really is.

It's actually not that interesting. Jae Crowder has never been a good player, let alone a "very good" player. What he is doing now in Cleveland is what he has pretty much done his whole career. We can only expect he will get worse from here as he has always been a slow, mediocre shooter, with no ability to get to the basket. Things will go down hill quick as he will already be 28 next season.

Jae Crowder shot the same percentage from 3 last year as Gordon Hayward. His overall FG% was 1% lower. He also received votes for all defensive team. Crowder WAS a good player LAST year. While being on one of the most team friendly contracts in all of basketball. This is the equivalent to a semi falling off a cliff. I hate it for Crowder, but it looks good on the Cavs and Lebron.

I'd also like to note this is in no way a comparison to Hayward who is clearly the superior player. I simply looked up the stats and Hayward's name was the one directly next to Crowder's.

Re: Crowder can't defend 40 year old Vince Carter
« Reply #35 on: February 07, 2018, 01:37:46 PM »

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It’s very interesting how far Crowder has fallen this year.  His shooting has cratered (lowest since his 3rd season). But he’s also posting career lows in DRB% and TRB%, assist pefentage, steal percentage, and block percentage.  And you can see it with your eyes too.  He was a good NBA player last year, arguably very good.  It’s really unusual for someone at age 27 to have arguably his worst season coming off his two best, with no injuries involved. Yes some credit goes to Brad, but he’s arguably playing worse than his rookie season in Dallas.  Some regression isn’t t shocking, but putting up his worst season really is.

It's actually not that interesting. Jae Crowder has never been a good player, let alone a "very good" player. What he is doing now in Cleveland is what he has pretty much done his whole career. We can only expect he will get worse from here as he has always been a slow, mediocre shooter, with no ability to get to the basket. Things will go down hill quick as he will already be 28 next season.
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