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Looks like Danny is a bit to blame
« on: December 27, 2017, 02:42:57 PM »

Offline rollie mass

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The construction of team is not helping much at the moment and after watching Warriors Cavs, i am ready to concede its a development year.
The schedule and injury to Marcus Morris has tilted the table and put pressure on areas of weakness already under stress.
The team played  at max after Hayward  but just ran out of gas, after its win streak only find another unkind schedule of games.
The Celts can't be expected to play that level of defense that it played to compensate for Haywards loss that led to the 16 game win streak.
It takes it's toll two way basketball from broken noses to facial fractures, to tortured knees even Baynes was not immune.
Not to panic a few wins at a lower level of intensity. will do.
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Re: Looks like Danny is a bit to blame
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2017, 02:49:12 PM »

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So.... is Danny pulling a Tonya Harding on his own players?
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Re: Looks like Danny is a bit to blame
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2017, 02:54:52 PM »

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The construction of team is not helping much at the moment and after watching Warriors Cavs, i am ready to concede its a development year.
The schedule and injury to Marcus Morris has tilted the table and put pressure on areas of weakness already under stress.
The team played  at max after Hayward  but just ran out of gas, after its win streak only find another unkind schedule of games.
The Celts can't be expected to play that level of defense that it played to compensate for Haywards loss that led to the 16 game win streak.
It takes it's toll two way basketball from broken noses to facial fractures, to tortured knees even Baynes was not immune.
Not to panic a few wins at a lower level of intensity. will do.

How could DA possibly see Hayward would get hurt?  I do think he does not respect the big positions as much as he should.   We consistently have problems with big teams.   But I think we are doing exceedingly well, given what happened.   

Our bench is weak, some of that falls on Ainge.   I think giving an NBA contract to Nader and drafting Gerschon Yabusele were mistakes.   Time will tell.
« Last Edit: December 27, 2017, 03:04:36 PM by Celtics4ever »

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Rollie I don't understand what you are trying to say here to be honest. What exactly is Danny's fault? The injury? The schedule?

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« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2017, 03:33:13 PM »

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He's arguing that the team isn't deep enough to contend.  Pretty straightforward. 
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« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2017, 03:34:22 PM »

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As the GM of the team, Danny is surely a bit to blame for every single happening regarding the team.

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« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2017, 03:37:13 PM »

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The construction of the team was fine. During the summer, he couldn't have accounted for Hayward's injury.

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« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2017, 03:44:03 PM »

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An empty roster spot and failure to sign or trade for a vet--of course Danny is not to blame for Hayward but the DPE is unused .Danny is a bit to blame -NOT A BIG BIT
-The make up of roster is so young and filled with rookies
Training camp ,short pre season,schedule ,rooster make up,lack of practice-broken nose,facial fractures,bad backs and other injuries-
Defense and fatigue lead to injuries.
Two of our starters are 19 and 21-
I worry about kids vs men with this schedule.
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I have said since summer that the bench would be a problem because it wasn't deep and very inexperienced. Yes, the creation of the deep bench is Danny's fault. But he built the main rotation of this team, a team that has the best record in the Eastern Conference, so you have to give him credit for that too.

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« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2017, 03:57:21 PM »

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Danny can’t be blamed for Hayward going down.

The only real room for criticism is that he didn’t sign anybody for the vet minimum to help with depth, relying too much on rookies.


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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2017, 04:05:57 PM »

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Looks like Danny gets a bit of credit...

For pulling off a trade to massively upgrade to a younger better player in Kyrie. And signing the best free agent out there who fits with Kyrie very well and will be the cores for the next 5-6 years. And drafting Tatum and picking up another first rounder in the process who looks like he'll end up being a superstar in a few years and is very good right now.

Really easy to complain about the job he's doing when you don't have to worry about reality. About salary cap. About developing young guys. About injuries...

Danny is the best GM in the NBA.

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« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2017, 04:06:53 PM »

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An empty roster spot and failure to sign or trade for a vet--of course Danny is not to blame for Hayward but the DPE is unused .Danny is a bit to blame -NOT A BIG BIT
-The make up of roster is so young and filled with rookies
Training camp ,short pre season,schedule ,rooster make up,lack of practice-broken nose,facial fractures,bad backs and other injuries-
Defense and fatigue lead to injuries

Believe it or not, I actually agree with you. In fact, I've been thinking about this very thing for a few days now. Obviously the schedule is a big issue, but Ainge hasn't filled the remaining roster spot despite Hayward's injury. In addition, the back-end roster construction is pretty poor. Nader is a scrub who has no upside, so what's the point in trying to develop him when it's sacrificing a roster spot? Semi isn't good enough to be getting minutes on a contender and is much better suited, from a talent perspective, to be in the G-League for development. At most, I'm okay with having two G-League type guys to try to develop (Yabu and Semi). However, we have them two, a scrub (Nader), and an open roster spot.



What I would do :

Sign a veteran using the vet minimum - This could be Gerald Green for all I care. He's not that good, but at least he can eat up some minutes.

Waive Nader and sign another veteran using the vet minimum - I'm intrigued by Derrick Williams. He has talent, so I'd be curious to see what Stevens' could get out of him.

DPE - I'll be patient with this and use it as soon as something via trade pops up.

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« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2017, 04:13:14 PM »

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I think people's expectations got a little too high while we were racking up the best record in the league.  We are not that good (best record in the league good).  I am pretty happy seeing us playing as a top 5-6 team without Hayward.  Our star is 25.  We have two of the more promising young players in the league (Brown and Tatum).

It is frustrating to see us play relatively poorly after playing so well at the beginning of the year but I am not discouraged.  Of course Brown and Tatum are hitting the wall some.  Of course teams are figuring out how to make life difficult for Irving.  Of course Horford is not going to shoot 45% 3Pt for the whole season.  Of course our depth is stretched with Hayward and Morris injured (two probable starters).

Not sure exactly what we are blaming Ainge for in all of this.  He has been a brilliant GM for the most part.  And I don't even mind him being patient with the DPE.  There are not any great options right now.  Why not wait?
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I don't have a problem with playing a bunch of young players. In the coming years this roster is gonna get REALLY expensive and we are gonna need guys on cheap rookie scale contracts playing roles to complete the team. It may hurt this year but we weren't winning the chip this year anyway. It will hopefully play dividends down the road with development of the young guys.
 
 

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« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2017, 04:47:00 PM »

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Out side getting a vet for the min, and who knows who he could have gotten that would have been that much better than a rook, he didn't have much choice with the roster with the signing of Hayward and trade for Irving. The fact he even had some decent players come over was a plus.

If we didnt get hit with injuries

Irving/Smart
Brown/Rozier
Hayward/Tatum
Morris/Theis
Horford/Banes

It's not bad, but guys are playing more minutes right now because of heavy schedule and injuries. Second half of the season should be better, DA still can make some movies and use the 8 mill on some one. Its a rough patch. I was telling my friends who were going nuts over the streak that there would be a low, Tatum would hit the rookie wall, but the second half of the season should be a bit more smooth with more practice and down days.