Could Brown fetch us Ayton this summer?

[Eddie20]

Just thinking out loud after watching a few of Ayton's games.

* The kid is a really special talent and at just 19 years of age has an incredibly high ceiling.

* Great measurements (7'1" with a wingspan near 7'6") and solidly built frame.

* Ayton is probably a better fit for our team than Brown when considering our teams overall strengths and weaknesses.

* Really good passer for his size and has a nice little jumper. I do think he'll eventually be able to extend his range to 3pt territory.

* The league is in high demand for versatile wing players that can score, defend, and rotate to multiple positions defensively. That's clearly what Brown offers, so perhaps that could help net us a generational type talent like Ayton.

* We're pretty solid at the swing positions with Hayward, Tatum, Morris (for at least 1 more season), Smart (if you think he's more of a wing than a ball-handler), and Semi (if you actually believe in his potential - I do have my doubts).

* The 2018 draft is loaded with bigs up top, but if the pick fails to convey we'll be on the outside looking in. That said, the 2019 is loaded with wings, so even by trading away Brown we could recoup by grabbing a top wing with the Kings pick.

* With our own 2018 1st rd pick I see some guys that might be Ainge type guys - UM's Brown (aggressive, athletic, and has good size) and Allen (fiery, good shooter, and probably reminds Ainge of himself). This is also a good way to fill the loss of Brown.

* I do worry about Brown being phased out of the offense next season. With Hayward, Irving, Horford, and Tatum how much will he actually have the ball in his hands?Will he be reduced to strictly a 3 and D type guy? He's not the shooter Tatum is and doesn't seem that comfortable shooting 3's from spots other than the corner.

* By trading away Brown and drafting Ayton we would extend the rookie scale salary for 2 more seasons. That'll pay great dividends as it relates to luxury tax ramifications.

Again, just thinking out loud. It does require some prognostication in assessing fit, future draft choices, luxury tax, etc.

[Moranis]

There is no chance that any team would trade Ayton for Brown straight up. None at all

[CELTICSofBOSTON]

There is no chance that any team would trade Ayton for Brown straight up. None at all

Exactly what he said ^.

We’re better off hoping that some way somehow the Lakers pick ends up #2.  Even then, Ayton is likely going #1.

[nickagneta]

There is no chance that any team would trade Ayton for Brown straight up. None at all

While this may be true, I still have major doubts that Ayton will be a better overall NBA talent than Jaylen will. GMs at the top of drafts always value the unknown over the known, so most likely none trade Ayton for Brown straight up. But, in the end, they could all be wrong and I think there's enough evidence out there to say they could be.

EDIT: I voted no but am not sure if I was a GM if I would even offer Brown in a straight up trade for Ayton. The same way I don't think I would trade Tatum straight up for the ability to trade for any player in this draft. I think sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know.

Now if you are talking trading Tatum or Brown for a player like AD, well, thats a completely different discussion because of what you do know about Davis.

[rondofan1255]

I voted Yes, but they'd have to significantly sweeten the deal... with LAL pick attached at the very least. Overvalued just like what 2017 #1 fetched.

[droopdog7]

If teams view ayton as a franchise player, no trade will be good enough unless you’re talking a top 15 player.

[slightly biased bias fan]

No chance, the only way this happens is similar to our 76ers trade in that we get the 3rd pick and trade up to 1 or 2 and give up Brown in the process. I see this as pointless though as we have no one that can replace him in our roster nor the cap space to sign someone of his caliber, Hayward will struggle to play the Brown role this season, let alone long term as he ages.

[Celtics4ever]

I voted no because I do not think Ainge would pull the trigger here.   Brown got a lot better than his first year and if he makes another leap forward, look out.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

This seems like a classic case of grass-is-greener/bird-in-the-hand.

What do you get with Ayton? He is a good prospect, but there are several reasons I wouldn't do this.

1. I don't trust Ayton's jumpshot. His right shoulder extends too far forward on his follow-through. He is over-extending himself to shoot from 3, and because of that I don't think he can be consistent without changes (although his form could change).

2. Defense matters. He is an average college defender. I don't know if he can anchor an NBA defense.

3. Two-way wings win championships, for the most part. Not point guards. Not centers.

With the way the current NBA is, the most valuable type of player is a two-way wing. They can play big and take advantage of the opposing team's bigs. They can post up smalls and score. They can defend big or small in stints.

Why do Celtic fans always want to punt down the field for the next prospect? We have two top 10 under-23 players right now.

[Jvalin]

I'm not super high on Brown. I like him, but imo he relies a bit too much on his athleticism. Having said that, if what we are talking about is something like #5 + Brown for #1, then I'd much rather keep the pick and draft Bamba.

[Celtics4ever]

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I'm not super high on Brown. I like him, but imo he relies a bit too much on his athleticism

When you have it, you flaunt it.  Should he jump less and let guys block his shot or move slower so other guys are not winded and can keep up with him?

[A Future of Stevens]

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I'm not super high on Brown. I like him, but imo he relies a bit too much on his athleticism

When you have it, you flaunt it.  Should he jump less and let guys block his shot or move slower so other guys are not winded and can keep up with him?

Thank you

[chilidawg]

This seems like a classic case of grass-is-greener/bird-in-the-hand.

What do you get with Ayton? He is a good prospect, but there are several reasons I wouldn't do this.

1. I don't trust Ayton's jumpshot. His right shoulder extends too far forward on his follow-through. He is over-extending himself to shoot from 3, and because of that I don't think he can be consistent without changes (although his form could change).

2. Defense matters. He is an average college defender. I don't know if he can anchor an NBA defense.

3. Two-way wings win championships, for the most part. Not point guards. Not centers.

With the way the current NBA is, the most valuable type of player is a two-way wing. They can play big and take advantage of the opposing team's bigs. They can post up smalls and score. They can defend big or small in stints.

Why do Celtic fans always want to punt down the field for the next prospect? We have two top 10 under-23 players right now.

I agree with most of this, but what did you think of Brown's jumpshot at Cal?  My recollection is that it looked worse than Ayton's does now.  Certainly it wasn't effective.

[Jvalin]

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I'm not super high on Brown. I like him, but imo he relies a bit too much on his athleticism

When you have it, you flaunt it.  Should he jump less and let guys block his shot or move slower so other guys are not winded and can keep up with him?

His athleticism is off the charts but his basketball skills are a work in progress.

- Court vision is abysmal (3rd from last in assist to turnover ratio among guards with 10+ mins per game*).
- Ball handling is loose.
- Loves to run the floor/at his best when playing at fast pace. Not sure whether he 'll be able to do that consistently in the playoffs (when it matters the most).
- Shaky shooter. I know 3P% has improved a lot since last season, but at the same time FT% has dropped to .586 (.685 last season).

Don't get me wrong, I like Brown. It's just that I probably like him a bit less than most of you guys do.


*  https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=AST_TO&dir=1&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&CF=MIN*GE*10&PlayerPosition=G

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[tarheelsxxiii]

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I'm not super high on Brown. I like him, but imo he relies a bit too much on his athleticism

When you have it, you flaunt it.  Should he jump less and let guys block his shot or move slower so other guys are not winded and can keep up with him?

His athleticism is off the charts but his basketball skills are a work in progress.

- Court vision is abysmal (3rd from last in assist to turnover ratio among guards with 10+ mins per game*).
- Ball handling is loose.

Assist to T/O ratio is THE indicator of court vision? You need to provide a lot more evidence to claim that his court vision is abysmal.