Semi Ojeleye Catch All Thread

[Jvalin]

. Remember DeMarre Carroll in his Atlanta days? He got paid 14.5 million per year in 2015 and no one is talking about him ever since.

Knee surgery is a ****, isn't it? Especially for a professional basketball player.

Looks like he's finally back to the productivity of his Atlanta days.

Demarre Carroll is having an excellent season for NJ.  Being an efficient role player like Crowder is a highly valuable asset for a good team.

Sure, but he isn't outperforming his contract anymore. He's an average player on an above average contract. Nothing special about that.

[jdz101]

Its extremely special when he's helping Brooklyn win games.

[rollie mass]

I like how he is in weight room for speed and film room learning opposing players moves and what to be ready for-This is another character guy Academic all america parents are both DRs-he has a rep of being a tireless worker with discipline-fits in Boston  and the Celtics

[ThePaintedArea]

I have seen his college highlights. Some of his alley oops and throw downs were Lebron strength impressive. His athletism can make him a beast inside. The guy has tremendous potential. Just think he needs to improve his handle more to show all that off. I can't wait to see him in the open floor on a fast break. It will be awesome. Guy is a physical freak.

Just to add to what you've said here - he has the balance and strength to finish through contact as well (we've gotten to see that maybe once so far?), and finesse moves (like a drive from the right deep along the baseline where he finishes with a reverse, getting the ball way up on the backboard - did that twice in the Lakers game, making one of them...).

Perhaps more pick and pops to add to his spot-ups would be his next growth area, though I think you're definitely right that developing his dribble drive would exponentially improve his value. PnP was a staple of his in college, and he was highly efficient at it.  Or how about as the roll man with two spread bigs to clear out the lane? He's too strong for most small forwards - he'd be "living at the line".

Just big kudos to Brad Stevens, getting these three rookies meaningful minutes in October/November/December - and it hasn't slowed down the winning, like, at all. Wow.  This will pay dividends in April and May, the way Jaylen's early court time did last season.

[vjcsmoke]

Just big kudos to Brad Stevens, getting these three rookies meaningful minutes in October/November/December - and it hasn't slowed down the winning, like, at all. Wow.  This will pay dividends in April and May, the way Jaylen's early court time did last season.

It can't be understated enough what a great job Stevens has done with all these new players.  He has 6 regular players who are in their 1st year with the Celtics - Kyrie, Baynes, Theis, Tatum, Ojeyle, Morris and they have the best record in the NBA.  Note we aren't even counting the injured Hayward.  Half of those guys are rookies in the NBA - Tatum, Theis, Ojeyle.

Remember how Doc favored vets and we complained he wasn't really the kind to develop young talent?  Well those days are over.  We have the best of both worlds -- a coach who can win now AND develop young talent at the same time.

Danny hit a home run signing Brad Stevens out of college.  BS has made DA look very, very good.  And Stevens is actually now a selling point to players wanting to come to Boston -- see Horford, Hayward, Kyrie, etc.

Ojeyle has been solid and earning his minutes with his defense.  And he chips in a few threes here and there.  A good roleplayer who will hopefully continue to grow for us.

[kozlodoev]

Remember how Doc favored vets and we complained he wasn't really the kind to develop young talent?  Well those days are over.  We have the best of both worlds -- a coach who can win now AND develop young talent at the same time.

That's funny, because Doc has developed plenty of young talent. People just  think that somehow your age should make you exempt from the simple rule that "if you can play, you play". This was true under Doc and is true under Stevens.

Doc developed guys like Rondo, Perkins, Powe, and Davis just fine (to name a few). He couldn't develop guys that couldn't play, but neither can Stevens (hello, James Young).

This whole argument is nonsense.

[nickagneta]

Remember how Doc favored vets and we complained he wasn't really the kind to develop young talent?  Well those days are over.  We have the best of both worlds -- a coach who can win now AND develop young talent at the same time.

That's funny, because Doc has developed plenty of young talent. People just  think that somehow your age should make you exempt from the simple rule that "if you can play, you play". This was true under Doc and is true under Stevens.

Doc developed guys like Rondo, Perkins, Powe, and Davis just fine (to name a few). He couldn't develop guys that couldn't play, but neither can Stevens (hello, James Young).

This whole argument is nonsense.

Been making this argument on this site for years but it just falls on deaf ears

[bellerephon]

I'm not a stats guy, so I don't what they say about Semi's defense, but to my eye it's been okay, but hardly near elite. Don't get me wrong, okay defense from a second round pick is impressive, most of them can't get close to staying in front of NBA scorers, and Semi has played well enough for Brad to keep in the line up and give him real mpg. Offensively he brings almost nothing at this point. Poor handle, poor 3 point shooting, doesn't finish around the rim. Of course these things could improve, at this point I don't see any reason to think they will. That's not saying its impossible, but I'm not expecting it. To me, his ceiling is bench defensive specialist, I don't see him being a starter or major contributor on a playoff team. Those kind of players have value, but not as much as some here seem to think. I really think that when Gordon comes back next year, he will not see much playing time.

[hwangjini_1]

Remember how Doc favored vets and we complained he wasn't really the kind to develop young talent?  Well those days are over.  We have the best of both worlds -- a coach who can win now AND develop young talent at the same time.

That's funny, because Doc has developed plenty of young talent. People just  think that somehow your age should make you exempt from the simple rule that "if you can play, you play". This was true under Doc and is true under Stevens.

Doc developed guys like Rondo, Perkins, Powe, and Davis just fine (to name a few). He couldn't develop guys that couldn't play, but neither can Stevens (hello, James Young).

This whole argument is nonsense.

Been making this argument on this site for years but it just falls on deaf ears

The three of us have argued this. Yet, poster  after poster makes the same flawed argument.

Perhaps we need to create a thread that debunkes Celtic myths and pin it.

[hwangjini_1]

I'm not a stats guy, so I don't what they say about Semi's defense, but to my eye it's been okay, but hardly near elite. Don't get me wrong, okay defense from a second round pick is impressive, most of them can't get close to staying in front of NBA scorers, and Semi has played well enough for Brad to keep in the line up and give him real mpg. Offensively he brings almost nothing at this point. Poor handle, poor 3 point shooting, doesn't finish around the rim. Of course these things could improve, at this point I don't see any reason to think they will. That's not saying its impossible, but I'm not expecting it. To me, his ceiling is bench defensive specialist, I don't see him being a starter or major contributor on a playoff team. Those kind of players have value, but not as much as some here seem to think. I really think that when Gordon comes back next year, he will not see much playing time.

May I direct you to his college stats? Ojeleye shot 41.5% from three point land in college.he shot 78.5% at the free throw line. Both of these give me hope that he will be a decent 3 point shooting.

You don’t have to be a stats guy to find these out.

[bellerephon]

Now that we have NBA stats to look at, I think college stats are not particularly relevant. As I said, maybe he will develop, but I haven't seen anything so far that makes me think he will be an impact player. It's early, and he's young, although years older than Brown and Tatum, and there was a reason he slipped to the second round, teams clearly don't think he's a big time prospect. Some second rounders become impact players, but not many. Semi could end up being one of them, the trust Brad has shown is a big positive, but I still think if Hayward were healthy he wouldn't be playing. Nothing I have seen so far makes me think he will play much next year when Hayward is back.

[Eddie20]

Heating up must mean going scoreless in 4 out of your last 5 games.

This board would be laughing it up if there was a fanbase getting giddy over a guy averaging:

PPG 2.5
RPG 2.0
APG 0.2
SPG 0.3
BPG 0.0
FG% 30
FT% 62
3PT% 28

His advanced numbers are also awful:

Pts per 40   7.2
Reb per 40  5.6
Ast per 40   0.7
PER    4.79
True % 45
O-Rating 95
D-Rating 105
3PT% 28

[rollie mass]

this post was started dec3-
11-25-.400 from 3
11-27 1.000 from three
11-30-no attempts
12-2 ,667
 12- 3 the topic posted after going 2 for three .667 the night before
Semi is tasked first to play defense,no turnovers and make the right play--

Going after Brad for not playing Baynes in 4th quarter and not even on the bench and putting the loss on Brad for that
Now attacking a post that is 6 days old.
 Gloating that semi wasn't shooting well
Semi is playing close to ELITE DEFENSE states Brad if not already elite!!!

[Eddie20]

I guess Semi is either ice cold or fell asleep again. Or maybe he's just an end of the bench guy that isn't very good.

[playdream]

Now that we have NBA stats to look at, I think college stats are not particularly relevant. As I said, maybe he will develop, but I haven't seen anything so far that makes me think he will be an impact player. It's early, and he's young, although years older than Brown and Tatum, and there was a reason he slipped to the second round, teams clearly don't think he's a big time prospect. Some second rounders become impact players, but not many. Semi could end up being one of them, the trust Brad has shown is a big positive, but I still think if Hayward were healthy he wouldn't be playing. Nothing I have seen so far makes me think he will play much next year when Hayward is back.

You are so wrong...
Semi is a very good shooter and will definetly be better than crowder soon enough , and he will have at least bench player time like Rozier last year even when Hayward came back

You can take it to the bank