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Jaylen questions changes to Celtics' culture
« on: October 02, 2017, 09:49:06 PM »

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“[The IT / Kyrie trade] changes the whole dynamic, the whole culture. We’ll see if it’s for good or bad, time will tell. But it’s still a little weird to me, to be honest, because when I came in everything they stressed was culture, environment, Celtic basketball. Now, it’s like what is the environment, the culture, what is Celtic basketball? I think it’s a great opportunity for me, great opportunity for the Celtics, great opportunity for Kyrie. Obviously, I loved Isaiah. He was like a big brother to me. I watched him, admired him, the chip he carried on his shoulder I love him. I still do. I’ve kept in contact with him. Congratulated him when he got traded to the Cavs. It’s tough because it’s the business we live in. Do I agree with it? Not necessarily. I think Isaiah definitely tried to plant his flag in Boston. He will definitely be missed—he and Jae [Crowder] both.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/celtics-jaylen-brown-says-trading-232006797.html


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I don't have a problem with this. He's basically saying that IT and Jae had a huge impact on team culture, and, now that they're gone, things are different. Makes sense.

Honestly, If I was one of the 4 returning players on a team, I'd have questions as to how I'll mesh with the 11 new guys.
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I am glad Jaylen can feel like he can speak his mind.  Those are legit questions actually.  It is hard to see IT, Jae and especially Avery leave.  It is a big culture hole to try and fill.  Gotta give it some time though.  Things look positive after tonights win.

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“[The IT / Kyrie trade] changes the whole dynamic, the whole culture. We’ll see if it’s for good or bad, time will tell. But it’s still a little weird to me, to be honest, because when I came in everything they stressed was culture, environment, Celtic basketball. Now, it’s like what is the environment, the culture, what is Celtic basketball? I think it’s a great opportunity for me, great opportunity for the Celtics, great opportunity for Kyrie. Obviously, I loved Isaiah. He was like a big brother to me. I watched him, admired him, the chip he carried on his shoulder I love him. I still do. I’ve kept in contact with him. Congratulated him when he got traded to the Cavs. It’s tough because it’s the business we live in. Do I agree with it? Not necessarily. I think Isaiah definitely tried to plant his flag in Boston. He will definitely be missed—he and Jae [Crowder] both.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/celtics-jaylen-brown-says-trading-232006797.html

I am really surprised less has been made about the Avery Bradley trade, I know it has been overshadowed by the Thomas/Kyrie trade but still if you want to talk about a culture loss you can't go past AB. He was the link to the Big Three era and was so good as a kid he forced Ray to the bench. AB worked is ass off both sides of the floor and was the most respected perimeter defender in the league. If Bradley wasn't next to Thomas I am sure that we would have been the worst defensive team in the league by some margin, AB was the definition of the perfect culture guy, I still have feint hope that we can somehow bring him back next season after acquiring Davis  :)

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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2017, 10:00:33 PM »

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“[The IT / Kyrie trade] changes the whole dynamic, the whole culture. We’ll see if it’s for good or bad, time will tell. But it’s still a little weird to me, to be honest, because when I came in everything they stressed was culture, environment, Celtic basketball. Now, it’s like what is the environment, the culture, what is Celtic basketball? I think it’s a great opportunity for me, great opportunity for the Celtics, great opportunity for Kyrie. Obviously, I loved Isaiah. He was like a big brother to me. I watched him, admired him, the chip he carried on his shoulder I love him. I still do. I’ve kept in contact with him. Congratulated him when he got traded to the Cavs. It’s tough because it’s the business we live in. Do I agree with it? Not necessarily. I think Isaiah definitely tried to plant his flag in Boston. He will definitely be missed—he and Jae [Crowder] both.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/celtics-jaylen-brown-says-trading-232006797.html

I am really surprised less has been made about the Avery Bradley trade, I know it has been overshadowed by the Thomas/Kyrie trade but still if you want to talk about a culture loss you can't go past AB. He was the link to the Big Three era and was so good as a kid he forced Ray to the bench. AB worked is ass off both sides of the floor and was the most respected perimeter defender in the league. If Bradley wasn't next to Thomas I am sure that we would have been the worst defensive team in the league by some margin, AB was the definition of the perfect culture guy, I still have feint hope that we can somehow bring him back next season after acquiring Davis  :)

Agree 100%.  AB was my favorite player last year and probably the year before too.  Great player, great attitude, hard to see the last big 3 era player gone.  He improved so much over the years.

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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2017, 10:08:43 PM »

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He needs to know Celtic culture is carried on by whoever is kept on the team. The salary cap doesn't allow to keep everyone we want to unfortunately

Brown wouldn't be on the team if it wasn't for danny blowing up the team and sending KG and pierce, the heart of Celtic culture, to the nets..  avery and rondo and others learned  to carry the torch, brown has to learn as well

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This is the part I'm most interested in:

"I think it’s a great opportunity for me, great opportunity for the Celtics."

From what I've heard from him in interviews and from what he's been doing this offseason in terms of organizing rookie gatherings and kind of taking Jayson under his wing, it sounds like Jaylen is interested in filling that vulture/leadership void, which I have a lot of respect for. He's still young and it'll be important for him to grow into that but I'm glad he wants to take it on at all.
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“[The IT / Kyrie trade] changes the whole dynamic, the whole culture. We’ll see if it’s for good or bad, time will tell. But it’s still a little weird to me, to be honest, because when I came in everything they stressed was culture, environment, Celtic basketball. Now, it’s like what is the environment, the culture, what is Celtic basketball? I think it’s a great opportunity for me, great opportunity for the Celtics, great opportunity for Kyrie. Obviously, I loved Isaiah. He was like a big brother to me. I watched him, admired him, the chip he carried on his shoulder I love him. I still do. I’ve kept in contact with him. Congratulated him when he got traded to the Cavs. It’s tough because it’s the business we live in. Do I agree with it? Not necessarily. I think Isaiah definitely tried to plant his flag in Boston. He will definitely be missed—he and Jae [Crowder] both.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/celtics-jaylen-brown-says-trading-232006797.html

I am really surprised less has been made about the Avery Bradley trade, I know it has been overshadowed by the Thomas/Kyrie trade but still if you want to talk about a culture loss you can't go past AB. He was the link to the Big Three era and was so good as a kid he forced Ray to the bench. AB worked is ass off both sides of the floor and was the most respected perimeter defender in the league. If Bradley wasn't next to Thomas I am sure that we would have been the worst defensive team in the league by some margin, AB was the definition of the perfect culture guy, I still have feint hope that we can somehow bring him back next season after acquiring Davis  :)

Agree 100%.  AB was my favorite player last year and probably the year before too.  Great player, great attitude, hard to see the last big 3 era player gone.  He improved so much over the years.

Agree as well.  Honestly, I feel like AB impacted team culture more than anybody else. 

He may not have been much of a talker, but he bailed the team out so many times with his energy, and he did it on both ends of the court depending on where he was needed. 

Bradley was obviously most known for his defence, but he had a highly underrated ability to explode on offense.  When he got hot, there would be stretches where he would be the most unstoppable scorer in the building.  I would see glimpses of vintage Ray Allen in him at times;  the way he'd curl around screens, catch, elevate and shoot so quickly.  Hand in his face - didn't matter.  When he gets the hot hand he CANNOT miss, and was essentially un-defendable...and there were so many times where he bailed Boston out single-handedly with 10-12 point scoring streaks.

And it didn't matter if he was out there providing a spark on the offensive end of the defensive end, Bradley often impacted the game in huge ways over short stretches - and he tended to do it in ways that energized the crowd and everybody else on the court, and his energy always seemed to rub off on his teammates. 

Will miss that kid immensely and wish him the greatest individual success in Detroit.  Even if he's not a Celtic anymore, there is nothing I'd love more then to see Bradley one day make an All Star team. 

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It's sad reading this knowing there's a chance Jaylen is in the bigger deal that gets us Anthony Davis  :(  :P
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This is the part I'm most interested in:

"I think it’s a great opportunity for me, great opportunity for the Celtics."

From what I've heard from him in interviews and from what he's been doing this offseason in terms of organizing rookie gatherings and kind of taking Jayson under his wing, it sounds like Jaylen is interested in filling that vulture/leadership void, which I have a lot of respect for. He's still young and it'll be important for him to grow into that but I'm glad he wants to take it on at all.

Honestly, I would love it if Jaylen took Kyrie under his wing. Jaylen has the oldest soul on the team.
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It's sad reading this knowing there's a chance Jaylen is in the bigger deal that gets us Anthony Davis  :(  :P

There's a not-tiny chance that by the time NO is ready to trade AD, JB will have ascended to not-available status.
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I've officially joined Team Jaylen.  Takes cajones to make this comment. 
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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2017, 11:38:13 PM »

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It's sad reading this knowing there's a chance Jaylen is in the bigger deal that gets us Anthony Davis  :(  :P

There's a not-tiny chance that by the time NO is ready to trade AD, JB will have ascended to not-available status.

I have loved Brown since we brought him in, especially learning more and more about him as a person and his work ethic...but the only way he is untradeable is if he becomes the second coming of Michael Jordan. Davis is a top 5 guy now and has generational talent written all over him, everyone is expendable for someone like Davis unfortunately. A big three of Davis, Hayward and Irving has the ability to be a title contender for 8 straight years.

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I don't have a problem with this. He's basically saying that IT and Jae had a huge impact on team culture, and, now that they're gone, things are different. Makes sense.

Honestly, If I was one of the 4 returning players on a team, I'd have questions as to how I'll mesh with the 11 new guys.
Agreed. He is pointing out that the culture is not clearly established since it is a new team. They won't know until they have played a lot of games whether they have a healthy culture.

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It's sad reading this knowing there's a chance Jaylen is in the bigger deal that gets us Anthony Davis  :(  :P

There's a not-tiny chance that by the time NO is ready to trade AD, JB will have ascended to not-available status.

I have loved Brown since we brought him in, especially learning more and more about him as a person and his work ethic...but the only way he is untradeable is if he becomes the second coming of Michael Jordan. Davis is a top 5 guy now and has generational talent written all over him, everyone is expendable for someone like Davis unfortunately. A big three of Davis, Hayward and Irving has the ability to be a title contender for 8 straight years.

How comfortable would you feel with that big three in the West this year? Davis has a twin tower thing going with Cousins and he can't even make the playoffs. Even if Jaylen will be just the next Jimmy Butler that's enough of a reason not to trade him. The difference the next several years is who is your fourth best player and fifth best player. Having three stars is not enough. If they show enough this year, then it could get to the point where I'd rather bet on the trio of Smart-Brown-Tatum blooming as a sub-big three than the singular Davis.
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