Jaylen questions changes to Celtics' culture

[clevelandceltic]

I find this topic to be very interesting. No one mentioned CULTURE when Ainge got rid of 9 or 10 players the summer of 07. No one was talking culture during Stevens 1st year when Ainge was trading players around every few weeks.

Ainge openly said this team had a bunch of good players but not great players. IE we need to trade some of these guys. Horford knew they wanted Hayward and in order to get him guys were going to be let go. It just so happened that the salary cap came in a little less than expected forcing the team to let go of AB a year early which in reality was probably a good thing.

If we traded IT and a few other guys for Durant Im not sure anyone is talking about culture you are talking about championships.

I totally get what Jaylen is saying and respect him for it but Im curious why anyone on this board would be surprised by Ainge. He broke up the 02 - 03 team for the same reason he broke up this team. He knew the main guys had gone as far as they were going to go and he changed it up. That's the same thing with this group.

Minus Jaylen/Brooklyn picks, I didnt see much of a difference between the 02 team and this year's team. Both were scrappy. Both had a number of limited players. Ainge looked at them and said Im not winning with this group and traded for better players.

In closing the culture is the heart that the players play with but its also about winning a title which is what the organization and many fans want.

[indeedproceed]

The knock on Jaylen has always been he might be too smart for his own good. He said a smart thing. Kinda acting in his idiom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jO1EOhGkY0

[JHTruth]

I get where he's coming from. Frankly this trade was the first time I've ever doubted Danny. I still dislike the trade and hate losing the Nets pick and Ante. I hated Kyrie in Cleveland and still don't care for him.

I'm not sure it will take us any farther but Jaylen is right to question it..

[clevelandceltic]

I get where he's coming from. Frankly this trade was the first time I've ever doubted Danny. I still dislike the trade and hate losing the Nets pick and Ante. I hated Kyrie in Cleveland and still don't care for him.

I'm not sure it will take us any farther but Jaylen is right to question it..

So you dislike it because of the pick and Ante?

[JHTruth]

I get where he's coming from. Frankly this trade was the first time I've ever doubted Danny. I still dislike the trade and hate losing the Nets pick and Ante. I hated Kyrie in Cleveland and still don't care for him.

I'm not sure it will take us any farther but Jaylen is right to question it..

So you dislike it because of the pick and Ante?

And the massive shake-up in trading the team's emotional leader and best player. I mean this has pretty high flop potential..

[ZoneD]

The knock on Jaylen has always been he might be too smart for his own good. He said a smart thing. Kinda acting in his idiom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jO1EOhGkY0

I don't think there's such a thing as "too smart for his own good." Seems to me a weird thing to say because this implies that we otherwise think of basketball players as dumb? I don't see how anyone could be too smart for his/her own good, especially in athletes.

[td450]

The knock on Jaylen has always been he might be too smart for his own good. He said a smart thing. Kinda acting in his idiom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jO1EOhGkY0

I don't think there's such a thing as "too smart for his own good." Seems to me a weird thing to say because this implies that we otherwise think of basketball players as dumb? I don't see how anyone could be too smart for his/her own good, especially in athletes.

I think you are taking the wrong meaning from the phrase. It generally means either means being smart enough to notice something complex but lacking of discretion(think whistleblower), or, in Jaylen's case, being smart enough to have other interests, causing a lack in focus or priorities.

Jaylen has proven he can walk and chew gum. He pretty clearly puts in the work.

[clevelandceltic]

I get where he's coming from. Frankly this trade was the first time I've ever doubted Danny. I still dislike the trade and hate losing the Nets pick and Ante. I hated Kyrie in Cleveland and still don't care for him.

I'm not sure it will take us any farther but Jaylen is right to question it..

So you dislike it because of the pick and Ante?

And the massive shake-up in trading the team's emotional leader and best player. I mean this has pretty high flop potential..

1st let me say Im not sure what the flop potential is. Irving is a better player than IT. Its not like the difference is that between Westbrook and Lowry but its noticeable.

I guess I could really care less about trading the emotional leader and best player aspect of this. IT will never and has never come close to Pierce or KG. If those two can be traded certainly IT can be traded. I guess Im not in love with IT the same way most were. Yes this can have an emotional toll on the 4 guys that were here but hey the reality is this team is in a much better position moving forward no matter what IT does in Cleveland.

[SHAQATTACK]

he is still really young ,  IQ ......only goes so far .  Life exerience is the number one teacher .   All this sudden team change was a huge shock . He figured that group of Jae , IT and AB was going t be on the team for years.   He knew changes happen ,  but he just had not experinced something that in his mind was negative ..removing his role models.

Rondo is smart and thinker too.....his whole attitude changed and he never got over the trade of Perk.

Kind of the issue with thses teens .  Older guys are better equipped to deal with let down better.

[KGBirdBias]

Hey look, I'm a little tired of hearing all of these slick comments by IT and now Brown talking about the culture. That team didn't win anything and could've easily lost to the Bulls and were toyed with by the Cavs. Some act like IT led the team to 2 NBA titles and then Ainge traded him.

Brown, it's time to step up and ball. We finally have some top talent. IT keeps acting like he was traded to the Nets and is still butt hurt. We no longer have to watch the team shoot 4-30 from 3, let teams go on runs of 22-0, 16-0. Ainge upgraded the talent. Nothing wrong with hard work but you need talent to win in the NBA and now we have it.

[green_bballers13]

It's a new team. Marcus, Jaylen, Horford, and Rozier are the only holdovers.

Jaylen will need to help build the new culture. He's the one responsible for providing the grit at the wing position vacated by Jae Crowder. I imagine it won't take long for him to surpass Crowder's contributions.

[jdz101]

Its up to Jaylen to create and drive a new culture within the locker room.

I'm not sure if he's complaining about that responsibility being thrust upon him too early or what, but welcome to the big time kid.

[Tr1boy]

He is not complaining

Just different now

Kyrie does not strike me as bossy type like IT4

Even Crowder seemed rigid and had a few face offs with Smart

I think this unit will jive better

[mr. dee]

He's in the situation Pierce was when Walker got traded.

[mctyson]

“[The IT / Kyrie trade] changes the whole dynamic, the whole culture. We’ll see if it’s for good or bad, time will tell. But it’s still a little weird to me, to be honest, because when I came in everything they stressed was culture, environment, Celtic basketball. Now, it’s like what is the environment, the culture, what is Celtic basketball? I think it’s a great opportunity for me, great opportunity for the Celtics, great opportunity for Kyrie. Obviously, I loved Isaiah. He was like a big brother to me. I watched him, admired him, the chip he carried on his shoulder I love him. I still do. I’ve kept in contact with him. Congratulated him when he got traded to the Cavs. It’s tough because it’s the business we live in. Do I agree with it? Not necessarily. I think Isaiah definitely tried to plant his flag in Boston. He will definitely be missed—he and Jae [Crowder] both.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/celtics-jaylen-brown-says-trading-232006797.html

The thing I like most about Jaylen, as a young man, is that he is very clear in his positions in front of the media.  He knows that when he speaks, people will listen, and take his views seriously.

I don't think anyone would disagree with this stance, mainly because it is a well spoken and well thought-out position.  Danny and Wyc (and Brad) have talked endlessly about developing a culture, about Celtics basketball, about "playing the right way."  Jaylen is right that IT and Jae embodied this and that trading them for an unknown like Kyrie should make one question those statements.

I applaud him for making this statement.  Of course, there is nothing to be concerned about because the "culture" comes from the team, not the players individually.