Brad didn't REALLY make Thomas what he is

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

IT recognizes the contributions of Brad to his career.  But you deny them? Why?

When you have the last pick in the draft go from Bench ----> 5th in MVP under 1 Coach. You can be sure Brad is going to get some of the credit, as he should.

Would be silly to discredit Brad in anyway, he hasn't done anything but help IT get to where he is.

I'm not denying it, it's true Brad has helped a lot.  All I'm saying is IT is a true talent and not just a one hit wonder in a single coaches system.   The only reason I say anything is because I've seen all these comments saying "Kyrie is gonna explode under Stevens, look what he did with Evan Turner and he turned a bench player into an MVP candidate." 

Danny and Brad didn't average 29 points for the season or score 53 points in a conference final last year.  They didn't drop 52 with 9 threes vs Miami.  I know they put him is good spot and gave him the ball but I'm pointing out that IT deserves what he's earned too. That's why I'm seeemingly denying it.  IT deserves credit for his work, and I'm just trying to sway it a little more in his direction, that's all.  IT even put up good numbers with 52% eFG% in his rookie/soph year.  The real talent has always been there.

But why are you arguing a point no has? Where are the people who deny that he is a great scorer? That's literally all you have said when no one has said he wasn't.

[moiso]

IT recognizes the contributions of Brad to his career.  But you deny them? Why?

When you have the last pick in the draft go from Bench ----> 5th in MVP under 1 Coach. You can be sure Brad is going to get some of the credit, as he should.

Would be silly to discredit Brad in anyway, he hasn't done anything but help IT get to where he is.

I'm not denying it, it's true Brad has helped a lot.  All I'm saying is IT is a true talent and not just a one hit wonder in a single coaches system.   The only reason I say anything is because I've seen all these comments saying "Kyrie is gonna explode under Stevens, look what he did with Evan Turner and he turned a bench player into an MVP candidate." 

Danny and Brad didn't average 29 points for the season or score 53 points in a conference final last year.  They didn't drop 52 with 9 threes vs Miami.  I know they put him is good spot and gave him the ball but I'm pointing out that IT deserves what he's earned too. That's why I'm seeemingly denying it.  IT deserves credit for his work, and I'm just trying to sway it a little more in his direction, that's all.  IT even put up good numbers with 52% eFG% in his rookie/soph year.  The real talent has always been there.

But why are you arguing a point no has? Where are the people who deny that he is a great scorer? That's literally all you have said when no one has said he wasn't.

But anyone who averages 29pts per game over a season is considered a star, not just a great scorer.  Most people here call Irving a superstar, even though all he is good at is scoring.

[C3LTSF4N]

IT recognizes the contributions of Brad to his career.  But you deny them? Why?

When you have the last pick in the draft go from Bench ----> 5th in MVP under 1 Coach. You can be sure Brad is going to get some of the credit, as he should.

Would be silly to discredit Brad in anyway, he hasn't done anything but help IT get to where he is.

I'm not denying it, it's true Brad has helped a lot.  All I'm saying is IT is a true talent and not just a one hit wonder in a single coaches system.   The only reason I say anything is because I've seen all these comments saying "Kyrie is gonna explode under Stevens, look what he did with Evan Turner and he turned a bench player into an MVP candidate." 

Danny and Brad didn't average 29 points for the season or score 53 points in a conference final last year.  They didn't drop 52 with 9 threes vs Miami.  I know they put him is good spot and gave him the ball but I'm pointing out that IT deserves what he's earned too. That's why I'm seeemingly denying it.  IT deserves credit for his work, and I'm just trying to sway it a little more in his direction, that's all.  IT even put up good numbers with 52% eFG% in his rookie/soph year.  The real talent has always been there.

But why are you arguing a point no has? Where are the people who deny that he is a great scorer? That's literally all you have said when no one has said he wasn't.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

IT recognizes the contributions of Brad to his career.  But you deny them? Why?

When you have the last pick in the draft go from Bench ----> 5th in MVP under 1 Coach. You can be sure Brad is going to get some of the credit, as he should.

Would be silly to discredit Brad in anyway, he hasn't done anything but help IT get to where he is.

I'm not denying it, it's true Brad has helped a lot.  All I'm saying is IT is a true talent and not just a one hit wonder in a single coaches system.   The only reason I say anything is because I've seen all these comments saying "Kyrie is gonna explode under Stevens, look what he did with Evan Turner and he turned a bench player into an MVP candidate." 

Danny and Brad didn't average 29 points for the season or score 53 points in a conference final last year.  They didn't drop 52 with 9 threes vs Miami.  I know they put him is good spot and gave him the ball but I'm pointing out that IT deserves what he's earned too. That's why I'm seeemingly denying it.  IT deserves credit for his work, and I'm just trying to sway it a little more in his direction, that's all.  IT even put up good numbers with 52% eFG% in his rookie/soph year.  The real talent has always been there.

But why are you arguing a point no has? Where are the people who deny that he is a great scorer? That's literally all you have said when no one has said he wasn't.

 

He WAS a bench player and maybe he would have remained that way if Smart didn't get injured (that was DA and CBS' plan from the get go). He is just a scorer but he is a star. I mean you are debating facts that I haven't seen people argue. I don't think there are more than a handful of superstars in the league and KI isn't one but he is definitely a star up to this point. Sure you might find a couple fans who will go overboard with praises but that's how fans are.

Before IT4 came here he was making close to the minimum from the bench, now he's looking at a possible 30m a year. As you know he was putting the ball in the basket at every stop, did IT4 change or did the coach, system and other factors change?

[GetLucky]

Brad didn't make Thomas a good basketball player. IT was (and still is) a good player because of the thousands of hours he put into his craft every over the course of 27 years, but everyone in the NBA is a good basketball player. There are probably 100 NBA players who could get numbers if they were given consistent minutes on a bad team. In the NBA, the winners are the only ones that matter at the end of the day, and Stevens made Thomas a winner. And, most importantly, Stevens made Thomas into a superstar, the rare NBA player who can "get his" while directly correlating his positive performance with wins. So you are correct in asserting that Stevens didn't make Thomas "what he is" (a very good basketball player), but he DID shift the league-wide perception of Thomas, which is much more important when it comes time to solicit contract offers.

[C3LTSF4N]

Man, alright I tap out.  I wasn't trying to argue anything, this was supposed to be a positive congratulations and thank you to IT.  I just wanted to make sure people saw that he earned a lot of what he did and it wasn't all the Celtics.

[RockinRyA]

IT has always been a gifted scorer, and his success is his own. What Brad did, was find ways to enable IT, such as making him play off the ball to lessen the defensive pressure. Without Brad, It would still probably be a 25pt per game scorer. That extra 3ppg had Brad's help.

[cman88]

most NBA players have talent there is no denying that, but IT4's two best years were with boston and I dont see how you cant understand that has alot to do with brad. stevens best attribute probably is getting the most out of the players on his teams...Most teams viewed IT4 as a bench scorer until the celtics created a system that catered to his strengths and minimized his weakness' with his 2 best seasons of his career being here with 22ppg and 29ppg last year.

arguably sacramento with IT4/cousins had more talent than last years celtics but they didnt do much. Brads best asset is being able to get the most out of his players on the floor and finding what they do best and putting them in that situation. he is alot like Belichick in that aspect...

by your logic, it also wasnt Brad that turned jamal crawford into a semi productive player, who played Evan Turner into a 70million$ contract or Crowder from a rondo trade throw in to what he has become.

Its also why you see guys like Irving/Hayward want to play for brad because they feel he can bring their games to another level.

[unclebay]

Agreed. Isaiah is a star because he's a star. Any notion that he was made who he is by a coach is nonsense. I Love Brad, but he was very fortunate, as were we all, to have Isaiah on this team. He is self made.

[incoherent]

Agreed. Isaiah is a star because he's a star. Any notion that he was made who he is by a coach is nonsense. I Love Brad, but he was very fortunate, as were we all, to have Isaiah on this team. He is self made.

Any notion that Brad Stevens has made IT better is nonsense?

Where is the logic in that?  You have what is by all accounts one of the best developmental coaches in the league, and when the Celtics train/coach/develop IT, Create an offense that revolves around him, and have 2 years of tweaking the system and players around IT... then he has an MVP type season after which you discreit the coach and the team and say IT did it all on his own!!!! Yeah ok......