In Truth We Vastly Overpaid....

[Chef Parish]

Edited. Multiple references to backing up of Brink's trucks are not allowed.

[Jon]

This is silly.  But it's just as silly as the threads declaring Banner 18 (and in some cases 19 and 20) already won. 

Maybe Irving becomes a top 5 player and the Brooklyn Pick is 7th overall.  Maybe Irving stays the same as he's been and the Brooklyn Pick becomes a future HoF.  Maybe it's somewhere in between where Kyrie improves slightly, doesn't become quite transcendent, and the Brooklyn Pick is the next Andrew Wiggins.

Nobody knows, so it's pointless to get dramatic. 

At this point, I'm just curious and excited to see what happens this year.  If nothing else, it should be interesting. 

[td450]

The is no way to know whether we overpaid now. What we do know is that Ainge exchanged one highly problematic asset(IT), one valuable and stable asset and two highly variable assets for one elite player that is a much safer bet, and most importantly, fully solved the IT dilemma. Irving is highly likely to replace IT's production, has the capacity to improve, and has a contract window that works perfectly with the team's plans.

C's fans need to accept that 2017 IT and going forward asset IT were two very different things. As much as everyone loved him, IT was a looming disaster waiting to happen. His salary expectations, his injury, his size and his contract window vs age did not add up to a stable situation.

[littleteapot]

Edited. Multiple references to backing up of Brink's trucks are not allowed.

Is this a real rule?

[CoachBo]

I've never understood the belligerent attachment to the status quo here. Some Celtics fans love their individuals. Doesn't matter whether they're awful, decent, good or great.

To me, it appears Ainge solved a major financial dilemma - paying IT the max with ongoing hip questions that are probably never going to be completely answered - while acquiring an elite scorer who - and this is the ongoing fallacy on this board that "Player A that I hate can't possibly develop his game further while Player B that I love is certain to grow into a superstar" - is not yet at his prime.

I greatly prefer the risk inherent in that prime to the risk inherent in IT's hip and contract.

It'll be OK, people. I suspect the Celtics will put a good basketball team on the floor next season.

[hodgy03038]

Edited.

The guy waived his trade kicker to join the Celtics. He loves Brad Stevens. To say he "won't even be here in 2 years" sounds like a surefire thing, but I say he'll be here for a long period of time, like even 6-7 years.

He is going to be the alpha in this team; Brown/Tatum are still young and developing.

I am okay with the trade and I also think that he will be here beyond 2 years but there was no trade kicker that he waived.

[Spilling Green Dye]

Edited. Multiple references to backing up of Brink's trucks are not allowed.

Is this a real rule?

I'm wondering the same thing lol.  For example, if I reference the brinks truck tweet from Isaiah while also quoting the above reference, is that considered too many?

In all seriousness, I agree with the poster who said that IT of 2017 and IT as an asset moving forward are two very different things.  And being in Sales & Negotiating on a regular basis, my opinion is that Isaiah did himself a disservice by demanding the max (brinks) contract.  The Celtics aren't pushovers who would feel forced to give the max demand out of fear of Isaiah leaving.  Really glad the Kyrie trade saves us an entire season of dealing with Isaiah's upcoming contract!

[fairweatherfan]

Edited.

The guy waived his trade kicker to join the Celtics. He loves Brad Stevens. To say he "won't even be here in 2 years" sounds like a surefire thing, but I say he'll be here for a long period of time, like even 6-7 years.

He is going to be the alpha in this team; Brown/Tatum are still young and developing.

I am okay with the trade and I also think that he will be here beyond 2 years but there was no trade kicker that he waived.

Yes there was - he was contractually entitled to a 15% raise when traded, a clause that's present in many star deals. He waived it to allow the trade to work.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/08/25/kyrie-irving-leaves-1668172-5845172-on-the-table-by-waiving-trade-kicker/

[green_bballers13]

I think that the BKN pick has a less than 50% chance of being as good as Kyrie. I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying this.

I also think Kyrie is closer to our championship time frame (opening in 2-3 yrs when GSW starts to unravel) than a 18 yo.

I don't consider IT, Crowder, Zizic, and a 2020 2nd round pick as valuable assets. They help the trade go through, but I can't imagine that the Cavs are too concerned about anything besides the BKN pick.

It was a great consolidating move for the Celtics. They needed an upgrade in talent, and they got it. Fans should be happy about the Celtics improving. Last year's team was good- just not ECF good.

[greece66]

What I think really matters is whether Irving makes a leap in Boston. As long as this happens, Boston won't regret the trade.

I am optimistic about the trade but the reason for doing so is not a rational breakdown of the trade's components and their value. Moreover,  I cannot stress enough that based on last regular season's performance, Irving was not a top 20 player.

I like the trade but this has more to do with trust in Stevens and Ainge and hope that when Irving said he wanted to be "the man" he understood how much effort this would require on his part.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

...for a "franchise" player who won't even be here in 2 years.

You guys think Kyrie will want to play second fiddle again to Brown or Tatum? (Both will project to be better two way players than Kyrie) and in a league that's geared toward swing-men these two guys will be the face of SOME franchise.

We outbid ourselves for a 2 year rental. No other team was trading anywhere close to this package in terms of short and long term value.

Kyrie demanded a trade and not only that he took a shot at LeBron's character and basketball play.....

Kyrie's value greatly diminished and the Cavs HAD ZERO leverage.

If Ainge would have just waited another 2-3 weeks Kyrie could have been had for next to nothing.

#RealTruth

Did you send in your resume to wyc yet? Oh wait he put it in the paper shredder at the press conference just now. Too bad so sad!

[hodgy03038]

Edited.

The guy waived his trade kicker to join the Celtics. He loves Brad Stevens. To say he "won't even be here in 2 years" sounds like a surefire thing, but I say he'll be here for a long period of time, like even 6-7 years.

He is going to be the alpha in this team; Brown/Tatum are still young and developing.

I am okay with the trade and I also think that he will be here beyond 2 years but there was no trade kicker that he waived.

Yes there was - he was contractually entitled to a 15% raise when traded, a clause that's present in many star deals. He waived it to allow the trade to work.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/08/25/kyrie-irving-leaves-1668172-5845172-on-the-table-by-waiving-trade-kicker/

Wow. Thanks for the correction. There was never any mention of that until I read it on this blog.

[Rosco917]

...for a "franchise" player who won't even be here in 2 years.

You guys think Kyrie will want to play second fiddle again to Brown or Tatum? (Both will project to be better two way players than Kyrie) and in a league that's geared toward swing-men these two guys will be the face of SOME franchise.

We outbid ourselves for a 2 year rental. No other team was trading anywhere close to this package in terms of short and long term value.

Kyrie demanded a trade and not only that he took a shot at LeBron's character and basketball play.....

Kyrie's value greatly diminished and the Cavs HAD ZERO leverage.

If Ainge would have just waited another 2-3 weeks Kyrie could have been had for next to nothing.

#RealTruth

This ^ is an over reach.

[PAOBoston]

Is it still an overpay if IT is out until the all star game (at least) per reports that just came out?

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-cavaliers-isaiah-thomas-could-be-out-until-all-star-break-due-to-hip-injury/amp/

[Phantom255x]

Is it still an overpay if IT is out until the all star game (at least) per reports that just came out?

Yes.

It wasn't just "Kyrie-For-IT" trade and Isaiah could come back after ASG Healthy and make tons of noise for the Cavaliers.

They'll be fine until then with Lebron, Love and Rose (assuming he even stays healthy).