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Re: Yeah, It's A Business, But This Trade Still Feels 'Dirty' To Me
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2017, 06:10:38 PM »

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it sucks, but this constant talk about Brinks Trucks was getting on my nerves....should have been said behind the scenes.
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Re: Yeah, It's A Business, But This Trade Still Feels 'Dirty' To Me
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2017, 06:13:36 PM »

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This is all on IT. He decided not to have surgery going into a FA year.


Re: Yeah, It's A Business, But This Trade Still Feels 'Dirty' To Me
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2017, 06:26:11 PM »

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it sucks, but this constant talk about Brinks Trucks was getting on my nerves....should have been said behind the scenes.
Agree we this . Talk about money when it's time, during contract negotiations and behind close doors.

Re: Yeah, It's A Business, But This Trade Still Feels 'Dirty' To Me
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2017, 06:26:42 PM »

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it sucks, but this constant talk about Brinks Trucks was getting on my nerves....should have been said behind the scenes.

I agree wholeheartedly with this.

It was cute the first time. It wasn't very cute the 2nd and 3rd times. It was downright annoying and childish having shoes made. Continue to perform on the court to the betterment of the TEAM and you'll get paid. Stop talking about it. It sounds like you just want money and don't care what happens to the team.
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Re: Yeah, It's A Business, But This Trade Still Feels 'Dirty' To Me
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2017, 06:47:55 PM »

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It may be a business, but to trade Isaiah (and Crowder) to Cleveland just feels dirty, and I'm sure Cleveland feels the same way about Irving and trading him to the enemy (BOS).

In an ideal world, C's keep Isaiah, Jaylen and Tatum become stars, and they build w/future draft picks and Hayward and others to beat the EVIL EMPIRE of the East (Lebron & Cleveland). Instead you trade Isaiah and Crowder to that team LOL.

And Ainge clearly OVERPAYED in this deal. Kyrie is NOT THAT much better than Isaiah to warrant all that in a trade. Sorry, he's just not. Maybe he's a marginal upgrade but that's it.

I saw Isaiah LEAD a team to the ECF. All I've seen Kyrie do without Lebron is lead a team to a Top-5 draft pick. And even in the past few years, in games where Lebron sat but Kyrie played, the Cavaliers looked really bad. Kyrie didn't look like a true alpha and that's one reason Kyrie wanted out (to be a true alpha elsewhere on a stable team).

And yeah, I'm also aware that maybe the Nets Pick was added to help compensate for Isaiah's hip injury concerns in case he misses a decent amount of time, but wow, that's still A LOT, and the fact that Cleveland (possibly) asked for "more compensation" makes me...  >:(

Anyone else feel this way or am I just the rare one on here who thinks both "this trade feels dirty" and "I hate this trade"?

If we let our hearts decide, yes it feels dirty. Sports fans develop an emotional connection to the teams we support, and to the players that play for us. Emotion isn't rational. IT worked his ass off for us, played hurt, played after his sister died, was a key part of us winning 50+ games and making the ECF and his reward was to be traded because he was going to cost more than we thought he was worth next year. Ditto with Crowder, developed into a solid player and helped with the Boston rebuild.

But if we let our heads decide, the reasons for the trade making sense are clear - IT has an injury that may affect his future production, there is a (apparently sizable) difference between his opinion and the team's opinion of his value, and there was an opportunity to get a player who has won an NBA championship, who had all of his strengths plus a bit more, and a bit less of his weaknesses, as well as a bit younger, isn't injured, and to top it off has a bit more stability in his contract situation for the immediate future. As for Jae, well while he was solid, his contract situation dictated that he was always going to be a pawn on the chessboard.

That's why I have mixed feelings over the trade - from a head perspective it's a winner, but from a heart perspective I really feel for IT. He and Jae were the sacrifices needed to try and take Boston to the next level. I really liked IT, he was a Celtics-type player, great in the community, took to the challenge of being the face of a storied franchise, all at 5-8 and change. I didn't mind his Brinks truck commentary, I feel he had earned the right to at least say how he felt. Saying it won't make it happen, and clearly Danny and Co didn't feel that he had earned the right to actually earn what he wanted. As GM Danny has to set his heart aside and make decisions dispassionately (obviously he has to take chemistry, fit and all that into consideration), but players are resources end of day and he is paid to provide the best team possible.

If this was a feel good movie we would have stuck with IT, he would have shrugged off his injury and exceeded his performance this year, won the MVP by leading us to the finals and Jae would have become a 20-5-5 player. Alas, feel good movies with feel good endings are rarely part of real life. Most times real life is pretty unfair and you just have to make the best of what happens to you.
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Re: Yeah, It's A Business, But This Trade Still Feels 'Dirty' To Me
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2017, 06:49:30 PM »

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It does feel dirty.  In the last few months:

1.  IT played through a serious injury, and continued to play after that injury was re-aggravated;

2. Played despite his sister's death and funeral;

3. Lost teeth and played after hours long dental surgery.

Then, he helped the Celtics recruit free agents, including Hayward.

Despite all that, he doesn't even get a heads up that he's involved in trade talk. It feels about as cold as possible.  The dude could have shut his hip down in March, and we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Instead, he put his team in front of himself.
Agree 100%. He played through injury because he wanted to take the team to the finals so bad. When he finally had to give up, some fans called him a quitter and a coward. Now some fans blame the trade on him for not taking the surgery. I'm now reminded that "fan" is short for "fanatic", not for "decent human being".

Re: Yeah, It's A Business, But This Trade Still Feels 'Dirty' To Me
« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2017, 06:57:18 PM »

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Somebody call the wahhhhhhmbulance.

The only thing dirty is the Celtics nabbing a 25 yr old all star when these types of players are NEVER available. Nor should they be !! The fact that you're getting him for damaged goods is pretty dirty, but again, the other team knew the injury and has to agree to the trade.

But Cleveland won the trade !!! Right ???

Haha

Re: Yeah, It's A Business, But This Trade Still Feels 'Dirty' To Me
« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2017, 07:00:52 PM »

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I love IT and what he did in the playoffs. If it wasn't for the injury I'd be more upset. But the longer it takes to heal, and the more is coming out about it, I'm fine with it. I still feel bad for him, but he wasn't going to be able to get done what we needed.

This is why DA has to have no soul to get things done. Thomas even if he can get healthy this season, may only have 2 to 3 good years left. Irving will be in the middle of his prime at that pint, and HAyward just creeping into the tail end, Hoford at the end of his contract and Browna nd Tatum knocking on the door of their primes.

It puts us in better position when they make a run at AD if NO doesn't move him before he goes to FA.

Re: Yeah, It's A Business, But This Trade Still Feels 'Dirty' To Me
« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2017, 07:08:14 PM »

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Yeah it has always felt dirty but pro sports is a dirty business. That's why I try not to get too attached to any players anymore. Things can change pretty quickly. It's always great to follow a group of players for a few years but now more so than ever guys change teams in an instant. A guy like Dirk Nowitzki is a dying breed.

Re: Yeah, It's A Business, But This Trade Still Feels 'Dirty' To Me
« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2017, 07:22:57 PM »

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I don't feel any type of way. As others have said, it is a business. I just like the team, I don't really care who's on it. IT alluded to getting his money elsewhere if the C's won't pay him so clearly he'll do what's best for him and his family. Ainge has to have the same sentiments for this team in order to remain employed.

The C's don't owe IT for putting the Celtics back on the map. They don't owe him for playing injured, or for playing through his sister's passing. He came in, played as best he could, and can now be flipped for an asset that Ainge values more than him.

So goes life.


Re: Yeah, It's A Business, But This Trade Still Feels 'Dirty' To Me
« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2017, 07:37:05 PM »

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The Cavs have toyed with the Celtics for 3 years now. They blew our doors off in the series and Kyrie killed us in game 3.

I'm glad Ainge has nerves of steel and doesn't get too emotionally attached to players. IT chose his own fate by not having surgery.

I suspect Ainge did n't like the makeup of this team because he just dismantled it. Too many guys were thinking they were better than they are.

Re: Yeah, It's A Business, But This Trade Still Feels 'Dirty' To Me
« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2017, 07:37:07 PM »

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Im ecstatic DA is trying to trade IT for Irving .   Irving is better short and long term .

Im just not sure now it gets done though , a bad outcome in  which everybody losses ....most of all Thomas.   Whos value is closer to a garbage truck than brinks at this point.


recent history of other teams stepping in and  landing players boston wants for less assets lowers my confidence .   Pacers own some real hate for DA in my mind.



Re: Yeah, It's A Business, But This Trade Still Feels 'Dirty' To Me
« Reply #27 on: August 28, 2017, 07:40:52 PM »

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If the Cavs were going to void the deal, they would've already done it. Why wait, they can keep asking for Brown or Tatum but it's not happening.

Re: Yeah, It's A Business, But This Trade Still Feels 'Dirty' To Me
« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2017, 07:43:05 PM »

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it sucks, but this constant talk about Brinks Trucks was getting on my nerves....should have been said behind the scenes.

TP......i wondered if anybody else felt the same . It was cute first couple times , when he is having these outrageous scoring binges.  After we got stomped by Cleveland ,  it was not as funny .

Re: Yeah, It's A Business, But This Trade Still Feels 'Dirty' To Me
« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2017, 07:44:40 PM »

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It is dirty.  IT was completely dumped on.

Yep. Sad.  :(

Crowder too. Even if he was never part of long term plans, he deserves appreciation for all he did the last two years and for helping the team with it's growth. Instead he became a punching bag for much of the season.   :(

I wonder how people still don't realize this is a business after so many years.