If I had told you this morning "We're trading IT AND the Brooklyn pick....

[crimson_stallion]

Edit: Double Post

[crimson_stallion]

IT does not have as much trade value as you think he does. Crowder is probably more valuable to a contending team because of his contract. This trade is really all about the Nets pick. Clearly Boston was not giving IT the max so he is expendable.

We just gave up infinitely more than the TWolves or OKC gave up for J Butler and PG13. And Butler isn't even a cancer injury box

Yeah...

I actually don't hate this trade to be honest, though I don't love it either. 

Would have been much happier if we instead traded the Brooklyn 2018 pick for Butler, but I don't believe Danny wanted to give up the pick for Butler (who is, IMHO, a better player then Kyrie). 

In fact if he played his cards right I'm sure there could have been a way for Ainge to get Butler via trade, still maintained enough cap space to sign Hayward, and then still pull this move for Kyrie.  Then we could have had Kyrie, Butler, Hayward, Horford as our core...

But at the end of the day, it is what it is.  I love IT but I do strongly believe we were capped by his defensive limitations, and that we had to upgrade on him if we wanted to legitimately contend any time in the next few years.  So while I do feel we overpaid significantly for Kyrie, it's something I feel kinda had to be done.

[Eja117]

What I hate about this trade is I thought Ainge was setting the team up to do some winning now and a lot of winning in the future.

Instead it seems we may be settling for neither.

[BitterJim]

Wonder if Celts tried to negotiate an extension on IT first and he declined. Seems that would have been the safer course.

I can almost guarantee that they didn't.  The max we could give him in an extension is such a laughably low number that it wouldn't even be a consideration and would just make IT mad

[Fafnir]

If we were going to bet on a PG for the future I thought we were going with Fultz.

Then the trade happened on draft night and I figured we're all in with IT, no its Kyrie and we actually traded the BKN pick.

Its not a bad place to be as a NBA franchise but its not were I expected we'd be.

[Eja117]

If we were going to bet on a PG for the future I thought we were going with Fultz.

Then the trade happened on draft night and I figured we're all in with IT, no its Kyrie and we actually traded the BKN pick.

Its not a bad place to be as a NBA franchise but its not were I expected we'd be.

Yeah

I admit Kyrie, Tatum, Lakers pick > (probably) IT, Markelle, Brooklyn, Zizic

Wow that could be close. But younger, cheaper, bigger, better matters

[Dannys Chipotle Guy]

IT does not have as much trade value as you think he does. Crowder is probably more valuable to a contending team because of his contract. This trade is really all about the Nets pick. Clearly Boston was not giving IT the max so he is expendable.

We just gave up infinitely more than the TWolves or OKC gave up for J Butler and PG13. And Butler isn't even a cancer injury box

Irving is younger than either of those players I suppose.

George is likely to walk after a year, but Ive got no explanation for why we paid so much more than Minnesota did for similar level players.

[littleteapot]

Is it possible we put protection on the pick? If we did than the trade was justifiable.

I'm shocked that anyone can justify giving up the pick with no protection.

[Fafnir]

Hey at least this absolutely proves Ainge is a man of his word, "no player is untouchable" indeed.

Its going to be weird rooting for BKN to win games after so many years of using them as our surogate tanking team.

Its also going to be weird hoping Kyrie grows as a player after he plateaued in my eyes.

[Fafnir]

Is it possible we put protection on the pick? If we did than the trade was justifiable.

I'm shocked that anyone can justify giving up the pick with no protection.

It is possible we could have done so, but the trade did not protect the BKN pick. That has been clearly reported by multiple reliable sources. (Woj, Shams, local guys, etc)

[Dannys Chipotle Guy]

IT does not have as much trade value as you think he does. Crowder is probably more valuable to a contending team because of his contract. This trade is really all about the Nets pick. Clearly Boston was not giving IT the max so he is expendable.

We just gave up infinitely more than the TWolves or OKC gave up for J Butler and PG13. And Butler isn't even a cancer injury box

Yeah...

I actually don't hate this trade to be honest, though I don't love it either. 

Would have been much happier if we instead traded the Brooklyn 2018 pick for Butler, but I don't believe Danny wanted to give up the pick for Butler (who is, IMHO, a better player then Kyrie). 

In fact if he played his cards right I'm sure there could have been a way for Ainge to get Butler via trade, still maintained enough cap space to sign Hayward, and then still pull this move for Kyrie.  Then we could have had Kyrie, Butler, Hayward, Horford as our core...

But at the end of the day, it is what it is.  I love IT but I do strongly believe we were capped by his defensive limitations, and that we had to upgrade on him if we wanted to legitimately contend any time in the next few years.  So while I do feel we overpaid significantly for Kyrie, it's something I feel kinda had to be done.

I agree with a lot of this.

Im a little more sour on the trade, but I dont despise it.

On the Butler stuff, I also think Jimmy is better, but I think Kyrie has a higher ceiling. Lebron has historically had a suffocating effect on his co-stars and maybe Kyrie, who is still very young, explodes when given more responsibility. And when I say responsibility, I dont mean # of shots, I mean in Boston I think we will ask him to do much more overall than he was asked to do in Cleveland. Maybe he will excel at it, and maybe he just sucks at those things and thats why he didnt do them in Cle. This is what the trade comes down to for me.

[Dino Pitino]

Isaiah with that hip might as well be just expiring contract filler. He's probably going to be unreliable and missing stretches of time all season. It would've sunk our season to face his repeat trips to the injured list and then have to roll the dice on him being healthy and not-shut-down in the playoffs. To me, the trade is becoming Kyrie for the Brooklyn pick, which I'm seeing more and more as inferior to the Lakers pick.

[Dannys Chipotle Guy]

Is it possible we put protection on the pick? If we did than the trade was justifiable.

I'm shocked that anyone can justify giving up the pick with no protection.

everything Ive seen says no protection.

[fairweatherfan]

Isaiah with that hip might as well be just expiring contract filler. He's probably going to be unreliable and missing stretches of time all season. It would've sunk our season to face his repeat trips to the injured list and then have to roll the dice on him being healthy and not-shut-down in the playoffs. To me, the trade is becoming Kyrie for the Brooklyn pick, which I'm seeing more and more as inferior to the Lakers pick.

It's pretty clear that Cleveland barely factored IT into their long-term return. He and Rose are collectively a 1 year stopgap at PG, then they plan to rebuild. If he's great there they'll have his Bird rights, but it seems like he was probably the least important piece for them.

[greece66]

And Zizic and Jae Crowder!"

Who would you have thought we were getting? What would have made you happy?

To me these were the acceptable answers in no order...obviously some were impossible

Durant
Anthony Davis
Steph Curry
Bron
Kawhi
Harden (wouldn't have liked it)
Bron
Giannis (woulda been on the fence)
KAT

I saw this post before going to bed. I thought eja was doing a thought experiment and moved on. I only found out the news after I woke up.