Scouting report on Baynes and Morris from Pistons Fans

[KG Living Legend]

 I'm posting random Pistons fan takes here. Feel free to post the same here.

 Halbridious • 18h
He sets monster screens, has a mediocre post game and jump shot. Executes the offense fantastically. Isn't a great passer. Defends smartly, much quicker on his feet than you think. Great at Verticality. Has a tendancy to foul a lot, but gets away with it a lot because the refs like him (he's established a history of verticality etc, so when he obviously roofs guys they give him way more benefit of the doubt than some other players).

He's not an option in the offense. Period. If he's wide open for a FT line jumper then that's fine, but he's got a huge issue with butterfingers and he's not very good at the rim.

But he'll do everything else really well, and while his stat sheet may not fill up very much, his +/- and DRTG/ORTG are always very favorable. Does the little things that helps you win.

[KG Living Legend]

 Also multiple fan takes were, Baynes has awful hands, they said You will get tired of that quickly. Sets good screens helps the defense.

 Morris not really a PF. Great fadeaway mid range shooter.

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Stuffdood • 18h
Marcus has one of the best contested midrange fadeaways in the league. These two of the hardest working players on our squad last year. Baynes is a pretty reliable free throw shooter and gets fouled a good amount when he's in. Marcus is a good gritty player and I will miss him dearly.

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InAingeWeTrust • 18h
Thank you! How about their rebounding? I don't really trust box score stats because they might be deflated due to Drummond's presence on the glass.

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Apatheee • 16h
Baynes isn't really the best rebounder to be honest. He is fine at boxing out and getting in position, but has bad timing/hands.

Marcus is a better rebounder then what the box scores say because of Drummond. He's probably a league average/slightly above league average rebounder for his position.

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mtommy2597 • 18h
Truthfully we run a very different offense than you. With your spacing it's hard to predict. We always have a man in the middle.

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damagedandshameless • 16h
Aron Baynes is a really underrated center. He can't catch a pass but great rebounder, FT shooter, and screen setter. I'm more upset about the loss of him than MM because Boban has no defense.

Marcus is the man. 6th man of the year potential for you guys

[Boris Badenov]

TP for the info, thanks.

[fairweatherfan]

I'm not very familiar with Baynes beyond his stat profile but he's sounding more and more like a Perk-type with modestly better (aka any) range. Which we could definitely use.

Sounds like both were generally liked by Pistons fans, which is a good sign since fans are often overly critical of veterans.

[KG Living Legend]

   damagedandshameless • 16h
He can start at the 4, he did it for us. But it's not ideal. Ideally he would start at the 3 or be a backup 3/4 option.

    AdrianWillis22 • 13h
Baynes is a solid backup center. He will listen to your coach and be where he is suppose to be on the court and execute everything with effort. What that translates to is possibly the league's best screener and a solid team defender. His lack of hands and athletism holds him back.

Morris is a decent 5 or 6 guy. He can get really hot from deep but his bread and butter is getting you tough buckets when you can create - perfect I think for when Thomas is out of the game. The eye test says he is one of the best midrange players in the league - problem is that is all he wants to do and therefore is inefficient. He will provide solid defense and not back down from a challenge. I think your coach will utilize him well as a 3 and D who becomes a secondary option for your bench squad when you can't get anything going. He is an inefficient player that you need to throw a bone to get him fully engaged IMO.

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Jenkinsd08 • 13h
I wanted us to trade Baynes to you guys this whole past year for Demetrius Jackson; I think he's a great get for you. He's a phenomenal big body to be able to throw in the middle which I feel is what you guys have needed in order to consistently trounce teams like, well, us. I'm not saying we were anywhere near as competitive as you guys last year and I'm also not suggesting Baynes be featured in your schemes at all, but when Pistons had a shot at the eight seed, we were rooting for a Boston matchup because we thought it'd be a more competitive/enjoyable series than playing against the cavs or wiz. The reason being that your guys formula or not having anybody in the middle plays right into our formula of bricking literally everything and letting Drummond clean up the glass. With Baynes, you now have someone that will make people like Drummond's or (more relevant) Tristan Thompson's life hell by forcing them to fight for every single inch inside. I don't expect he'll see very regular minutes as Stevens 5 out offense seems to be pretty effective, but for the occasions where you're just getting annihilated in the middle, Baynes is an excellent tool to have in your arsenal to go in there, bang around and tire out the other bigs. Outside of that value, you'll love his FT shooting, enjoy a little bit of his post game (he can be sick when he gets hot) and you'll almost assuredly hate his hands. Theres a reason he's getting such a small contract but he still checks off a few boxes that I think you guys benefit from.

Morris is a different case altogether. He's a much better player, but his style doesn't really seem to fit with Boston at all (though to be fair, it didn't fit with us either). He's most comfortable going one on one with his guy and jacking up a contested fadeaway that will make him look like Melo when it drops. He really prefers to play his man more than the scheme if that makes sense; like he'd rather single-handedly beat the guy guarding him than collaborate with the other 4 dudes on his team to collectively beat the defense. On D tho he's a tenacious defender who will bring some attitude to your team whether you like it or not. This opinion isn't very popular with the sub but I actually think he's far better as a supporting cast member than he is as a leader so I'm hopeful he'll have a much better season on your squad than what he did last year with year. Ultimately, he was valued pretty low until SVG took a chance on him and tried playing to his strengths; given how Stevens seems to get the most out of his guys, I think you can get pretty excited about what Morris will bring.

[Spilling Green Dye]

Great info to read, thank you.

Doesn't every championship team have a "bruiser"?  We need a guy like this... look at our team last year.  Who was the tough screen setter / rebounder?  Probably Marcus Smart, who is way too undersized to be that guy.

[KG Living Legend]

Works hard, gritty bruiser, can hit from midrange, decent rebounder, decent post game. Drops the ball a lot, but he's been good for a few 20/10 a season, pretty much outta nowhere.

He was ass the first half of the season his first year here, then ass the first half of the next season, but turned it around in the second half both times, and was even a big piece of our playoff run a few years ago. He'll be perfect to spell Horford for 15 mpg.

At the price you got him for, he's perfect. Already one of the better backup C's in the league IMO. Gonna miss him, but I'm happy to see Boban get unleashed.

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Bbzk001 • 20h
Butterfingers, can shoot mid range, slow, strong, defense is meh, can post up decently

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Nerouin • 19h
Defense is NOT "meh." He was a very able rim protector this season.

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Bbzk001 • 18h
Yeah no. He's essentially what would happen if Drummond had no athleticism

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Nerouin • 18h
You're entirely incorrect. Look into the metrics yourself.

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DuncanSmithNBA • 11h
Is it considered poor form to downvote a post and then announce that you're downvoting it?

This is completely wrong.

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Halbridious • 19h
He sets monster screens, has a mediocre post game and jump shot. Executes the offense fantastically. Isn't a great passer. Defends smartly, much quicker on his feet than you think. Great at Verticality. Has a tendancy to foul a lot, but gets away with it a lot because the refs like him (he's established a history of verticality etc, so when he obviously roofs guys they give him way more benefit of the doubt than some other players).

He's not an option in the offense. Period. If he's wide open for a FT line jumper then that's fine, but he's got a huge issue with butterfingers and he's not very good at the rim.

But he'll do everything else really well, and while his stat sheet may not fill up very much, his +/- and DRTG/ORTG are always very favorable. Does the little things that helps you win.

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Sircaa • 4h
He's not as bad on defense as you would probably think, and good for a couple "where did that come from?" blocks every now and again. I'd say he's an average defender although if you count intangibles, it probably brings him to above-average. He's gritty, works hard, and generally just gives a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. about winning. Not a great offensive option although he's one of the best screeners in the league and if you leave him open by the FT line he will bury it with consistency.

One other thing about his offense is that he really seems to know his role. SVG always said that he ran the plays really well, and he just seems to know what he's good at (and not) and stick within that. I just wish he'd do the same for his hair..

[colincb]

I've read similar stuff on Baynes.  Good screen setter, good rebounder, reliable FT shooter. Supposedly has "lobster hands," which isn't a compliment.

[vjcsmoke]

Yeah about what I expected from Baynes.  Sounds like he will add toughness, grit, and decent rebounding to our interior.  That's what we need.  We'll have to live with the lobster hands and mediocre offense because you can't expect a complete center at the price of 4.3m a season.

Heck Olynyk got 12.5m per.  And we are well aware of his strengths and weaknesses.

[dreamgreen]

I've read similar stuff on Baynes.  Good screen setter, good rebounder, reliable FT shooter. Supposedly has "lobster hands," which isn't a compliment.

Bahahaha I love that line. Of course I'll hate it when I see him lobstering!

[KG Living Legend]

 If Baynes has lobster hands, Kelly had Jello family jewels.

[csfansince60s]

I've read similar stuff on Baynes.  Good screen setter, good rebounder, reliable FT shooter. Supposedly has "lobster hands," which isn't a compliment.

Bahahaha I love that line. Of course I'll hate it when I see him lobstering!

But at least it wont be with the Red Claws!!!

[KG Living Legend]

I've read similar stuff on Baynes.  Good screen setter, good rebounder, reliable FT shooter. Supposedly has "lobster hands," which isn't a compliment.

Bahahaha I love that line. Of course I'll hate it when I see him lobstering!

But at least it wont be with the Red Claws!!!

 That's a tp. Aaron Red Claw Baynes

[GreenWarrior]

so... don't pass to baynes. got it!

[Rosco917]

Honestly I think for the minutes he's going to get, I feel better about Baynes, than Morris.

Marcus has more responsibility with the potential of being a starter, on a team that should have a deep playoff run. He needs to fit in, defend, rebound, and score the ball a bit. His expectations are higher. 

Hopefully he responds well to the difference in offensive pace between the Celtics and the Pistons.