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Re: The Nets are IMPROVING!!
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2017, 10:23:16 AM »

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In case you've been focused on free agency, the draft and summer league like most of us you probably didn't pay attention to what everyone else is doing.  Well turns out that the Nets have been slowly improving as of late. They traded for DeAngelo Russell and just got Demarre Carroll and two picks from Toronto. While these aren't big moves they still can sign any of the remaining FA to $20+ mill/year,  think KCP and will definitely affect where our first round pick land next year.

No, we follow the Nets pretty closely. These moves have only made the pick more valuable. Swapping Brook Lopez and Justin Hamilton for DeAngelo Russell and Demarre Carroll is major net negative on the court. They aren't better this coming year. They're worse. That $20m they have to spend doesn't matter because there's no one left to spend it on.

They're all moves in the right direction because the Nets need to get young, accumulate as many picks and assets as possible and hope they hit on a couple eventually. So the GM is doing the right thing. But as far as this year goes, you're entirely mistaken.

Every little deal that wouldn't move the needle on any other team sends certain posters here into a panicked frenzy because it involves the Nets. They suck. They're going to suck. That's all that matters.
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Re: The Nets are IMPROVING!!
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2017, 10:30:32 AM »

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DeMarre Carroll is certainly not improving the Nets. He is flat out terrible.

He was good two years ago only injuries are slowing him down. If he can't recover and they had KCP that's a serious improvement. They already have Lin and D-Lo

Re: The Nets are IMPROVING!!
« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2017, 10:36:41 AM »

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In case you've been focused on free agency, the draft and summer league like most of us you probably didn't pay attention to what everyone else is doing.  Well turns out that the Nets have been slowly improving as of late. They traded for DeAngelo Russell and just got Demarre Carroll and two picks from Toronto. While these aren't big moves they still can sign any of the remaining FA to $20+ mill/year,  think KCP and will definitely affect where our first round pick land next year.

No, we follow the Nets pretty closely. These moves have only made the pick more valuable. Swapping Brook Lopez and Justin Hamilton for DeAngelo Russell and Demarre Carroll is major net negative on the court. They aren't better this coming year. They're worse. That $20m they have to spend doesn't matter because there's no one left to spend it on.

They're all moves in the right direction because the Nets need to get young, accumulate as many picks and assets as possible and hope they hit on a couple eventually. So the GM is doing the right thing. But as far as this year goes, you're entirely mistaken.

Every little deal that wouldn't move the needle on any other team sends certain posters here into a panicked frenzy because it involves the Nets. They suck. They're going to suck. That's all that matters.

I don't really see it like that. D-Lo can replace Lopez production offensively and am healthy season of Lin and perhaps Carroll could net them some additional wins. Don't forget KCP is still on board, it's only a matter of time before they turn to him as their plan is to add as much talent as they can.

Re: The Nets are IMPROVING!!
« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2017, 10:49:22 AM »

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We are lucky the Wizards are taking all the time they possibly can on matching Otto Porter to teach the Nets a lesson about going after their guy. I wish the Nets had gone after other guys too like Noel. I'm not overly happy about the Mavs getting a great deal on that guy.

It looks like their pursuit of KCP may be over.

Nope. Actually thinking their gm is kinda smart, he's overpaying for players he know teams won't let go easily, making crazy offers and contracts that will be hard to unload so few teams will have as much cap space to deal with. See what he did to Portland and Miami, now the Wiz will have to trade a few players to retain Porter.

Re: The Nets are IMPROVING!!
« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2017, 10:49:54 AM »

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They're not making any groundbreaking changes. I don't think it would be smart for them to do so either.... after 2018, they will want to start picking at the top of the draft. I don't see how signing KCP will help them achieve this end.

I am not worried that BKN will improve next year. They are still in rough shape.

Deangelo Russell/Lin/Dinwiddie/Whitehead
Caris Lavert/S Kilpatrick
Demarre Carroll/RHJ
T. Booker/A. Nicholson
Mozgev

I'm prob. missing a couple guys, but this roster stinks. How many teams could possibly be worse than this?

Orlando? maybe
LAL? nope
Philly? maybe, prob not
Sac? maybe
Phoenix? prob not (Bledsoe + Booker)

I still see them as a bottom 5 team.
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Re: The Nets are IMPROVING!!
« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2017, 10:54:18 AM »

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They also lost Lopez. So without an interior defender, and possibly the worst defensive backcourt of the last decade (Lin and Russell), they're going to give up an unprecedented amount of points. Especially if they play fast, which seems to be their plan.

Not playing fast anymore without Brook shooting threes for them.  They won't miss defensively, Jarrett Allen should make an impact day one and they have Mozgov.

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« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2017, 10:58:03 AM »

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In case you've been focused on free agency, the draft and summer league like most of us you probably didn't pay attention to what everyone else is doing.  Well turns out that the Nets have been slowly improving as of late. They traded for DeAngelo Russell and just got Demarre Carroll and two picks from Toronto. While these aren't big moves they still can sign any of the remaining FA to $20+ mill/year,  think KCP and will definitely affect where our first round pick land next year.

No, we follow the Nets pretty closely. These moves have only made the pick more valuable. Swapping Brook Lopez and Justin Hamilton for DeAngelo Russell and Demarre Carroll is major net negative on the court. They aren't better this coming year. They're worse. That $20m they have to spend doesn't matter because there's no one left to spend it on.

They're all moves in the right direction because the Nets need to get young, accumulate as many picks and assets as possible and hope they hit on a couple eventually. So the GM is doing the right thing. But as far as this year goes, you're entirely mistaken.

Every little deal that wouldn't move the needle on any other team sends certain posters here into a panicked frenzy because it involves the Nets. They suck. They're going to suck. That's all that matters.

I don't really see it like that. D-Lo can replace Lopez production offensively and am healthy season of Lin and perhaps Carroll could net them some additional wins. Don't forget KCP is still on board, it's only a matter of time before they turn to him as their plan is to add as much talent as they can.

I don;t know if you're seriously overrating Russel or underrating Lopez, but Russell cannot replace Lopez's production.  Lopez is an insanely good offensive player, Lopez has great potential but he can't even hold Lopez's jock right now
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Re: The Nets are IMPROVING!!
« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2017, 11:03:40 AM »

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Losing Lopez is a huge win for our 18 pick. Losing someone who you have to worry about at end of game cannot be discounted. They will be a top 5 worst record again.

Re: The Nets are IMPROVING!!
« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2017, 11:04:19 AM »

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They're not making any groundbreaking changes. I don't think it would be smart for them to do so either.... after 2018, they will want to start picking at the top of the draft. I don't see how signing KCP will help them achieve this end.

I am not worried that BKN will improve next year. They are still in rough shape.

Deangelo Russell/Lin/Dinwiddie/Whitehead
Caris Lavert/S Kilpatrick
Demarre Carroll/RHJ
T. Booker/A. Nicholson
Mozgev

I'm prob. missing a couple guys, but this roster stinks. How many teams could possibly be worse than this?

Orlando? maybe
LAL? nope
Philly? maybe, prob not
Sac? maybe
Phoenix? prob not (Bledsoe + Booker)

I still see them as a bottom 5 team.

Atl, Chi, Ind, Dallas, Sac may tank harder. You can add the suns as well and the Knicks.

Re: The Nets are IMPROVING!!
« Reply #24 on: July 09, 2017, 11:07:57 AM »

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Losing Lopez is a huge win for our 18 pick. Losing someone who you have to worry about at end of game cannot be discounted. They will be a top 5 worst record again.

Nothing is promised bro. Atl, Chi, Ind won't be good, ditto for Sac, the mavs and the Knicks and potentially the suns

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« Reply #25 on: July 09, 2017, 11:20:25 AM »

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Atlanta didn't match on Hardaway Jr.  They could be worse than the Nets.

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Also we don't really need it to be 1, we just need it and the lakers pick to be in the top 5 (ofc the lakers pick cannot be 1) since the draft is super top heavy with like 5 guys.
Right but the odds go down.  We want the best odds possible of the getting the ideal scenario which is the #1 (BKN pick) and the #2 (LAL pick).

ATL and Chicago are contenders for the #1 pick with the Nets. For once it won't be the Lakers, Sixers, Wolves chasing Brooklyn.
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Re: The Nets are IMPROVING!!
« Reply #26 on: July 09, 2017, 03:27:24 PM »

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In case you've been focused on free agency, the draft and summer league like most of us you probably didn't pay attention to what everyone else is doing.  Well turns out that the Nets have been slowly improving as of late. They traded for DeAngelo Russell and just got Demarre Carroll and two picks from Toronto. While these aren't big moves they still can sign any of the remaining FA to $20+ mill/year,  think KCP and will definitely affect where our first round pick land next year.

No, we follow the Nets pretty closely. These moves have only made the pick more valuable. Swapping Brook Lopez and Justin Hamilton for DeAngelo Russell and Demarre Carroll is major net negative on the court. They aren't better this coming year. They're worse. That $20m they have to spend doesn't matter because there's no one left to spend it on.

They're all moves in the right direction because the Nets need to get young, accumulate as many picks and assets as possible and hope they hit on a couple eventually. So the GM is doing the right thing. But as far as this year goes, you're entirely mistaken.

Every little deal that wouldn't move the needle on any other team sends certain posters here into a panicked frenzy because it involves the Nets. They suck. They're going to suck. That's all that matters.

I don't really see it like that. D-Lo can replace Lopez production offensively and am healthy season of Lin and perhaps Carroll could net them some additional wins. Don't forget KCP is still on board, it's only a matter of time before they turn to him as their plan is to add as much talent as they can.

I can't help that you see it wrongly.

It's a massive assumption to think that D'Angelo Russell (15.6 ppg, .483 eFG) can replace Brook Lopez (20.5, .531) offensively. Not to mention that the Nets will miss having that big target in the middle of the floor. Then there's that whole other side of the court that Russell sucks at. In fact, a backcourt of Lin and Russell will be the worst defensive backcourt in the league. Put in KCP for his defense and you lose the only place the offense will come from.

The Nets weren't unduly injured last year so you can't play the injury card. Lin isn't very good and he's not going to get any better. Carroll is a nothing addition which is why Toronto paid to get him off their team. KCP is a non-shooting SG which happens to be the same position that Russell will play.

It's a collection of motley assets, not an exercise in team-building. It's the GM equivalent of throwing s**t against a wall and seeing what sticks. It's actually not dissimilar to what the Cs did in 13-14 with Green, Crawford, Bradley, Humphries and the like. Except that team had better talent, were more mature, had Stevens coaching them and they still finished with only 25 wins. The Nets are taking necessary steps to get better eventually but it's not this year when they'll likely see any gains.

Every year there's a handful of people who fret about how the Nets will be so much better this year. And every year I tell them they're wrong. And every year they're wrong. Last year people will saying how Anthony Bennett and Caris LeVert would make a huge difference. This year it's people trying to poo-poo the loss of Lopez and saying that Carroll and possibly KCP will make massive differences.

This year will be no exception. 25-27 wins is their maximum potential and the likely number is somewhere around 22-23. It's another top 5 opportunity in the lottery.
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« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2017, 03:32:57 PM »

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Atlanta didn't match on Hardaway Jr.  They could be worse than the Nets.

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Also we don't really need it to be 1, we just need it and the lakers pick to be in the top 5 (ofc the lakers pick cannot be 1) since the draft is super top heavy with like 5 guys.
Right but the odds go down.  We want the best odds possible of the getting the ideal scenario which is the #1 (BKN pick) and the #2 (LAL pick).

ATL and Chicago are contenders for the #1 pick with the Nets. For once it won't be the Lakers, Sixers, Wolves chasing Brooklyn.

Oh, certainly the Lakers are still a contender.  They're probably the second-worst team in the West, and they have to play about 2/3 of their games against other West teams.  The Lakers might be a better team than Chicago or Atlanta, but the strength of schedule differences between the two conferences will really weigh down their record.

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« Reply #28 on: July 09, 2017, 03:41:43 PM »

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It was more for getting picks to eat Demare's contract. It also takes away their ability to sign Caldwell-Pope. I don't see it hurting our Nets pick this year. Its a good long term move for the Nets though to re-stock their picks for their rebuild.

I think they'll still have around $20m in salary cap room.  They could offer him a 4 year deal starting at $20m with 5% raises. That'll get him to 4 years, around $85m. Unless he's will to take a 1 year, $24m max from the Lakers, that's probably the best deal he can get on the market right now.
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« Reply #29 on: July 09, 2017, 04:00:01 PM »

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In case you've been focused on free agency, the draft and summer league like most of us you probably didn't pay attention to what everyone else is doing.  Well turns out that the Nets have been slowly improving as of late. They traded for DeAngelo Russell and just got Demarre Carroll and two picks from Toronto. While these aren't big moves they still can sign any of the remaining FA to $20+ mill/year,  think KCP and will definitely affect where our first round pick land next year.

No, we follow the Nets pretty closely. These moves have only made the pick more valuable. Swapping Brook Lopez and Justin Hamilton for DeAngelo Russell and Demarre Carroll is major net negative on the court. They aren't better this coming year. They're worse. That $20m they have to spend doesn't matter because there's no one left to spend it on.

They're all moves in the right direction because the Nets need to get young, accumulate as many picks and assets as possible and hope they hit on a couple eventually. So the GM is doing the right thing. But as far as this year goes, you're entirely mistaken.

Every little deal that wouldn't move the needle on any other team sends certain posters here into a panicked frenzy because it involves the Nets. They suck. They're going to suck. That's all that matters.

I don't really see it like that. D-Lo can replace Lopez production offensively and am healthy season of Lin and perhaps Carroll could net them some additional wins. Don't forget KCP is still on board, it's only a matter of time before they turn to him as their plan is to add as much talent as they can.

I can't help that you see it wrongly.

It's a massive assumption to think that D'Angelo Russell (15.6 ppg, .483 eFG) can replace Brook Lopez (20.5, .531) offensively. Not to mention that the Nets will miss having that big target in the middle of the floor. Then there's that whole other side of the court that Russell sucks at. In fact, a backcourt of Lin and Russell will be the worst defensive backcourt in the league. Put in KCP for his defense and you lose the only place the offense will come from.

The Nets weren't unduly injured last year so you can't play the injury card. Lin isn't very good and he's not going to get any better. Carroll is a nothing addition which is why Toronto paid to get him off their team. KCP is a non-shooting SG which happens to be the same position that Russell will play.

It's a collection of motley assets, not an exercise in team-building. It's the GM equivalent of throwing s**t against a wall and seeing what sticks. It's actually not dissimilar to what the Cs did in 13-14 with Green, Crawford, Bradley, Humphries and the like. Except that team had better talent, were more mature, had Stevens coaching them and they still finished with only 25 wins. The Nets are taking necessary steps to get better eventually but it's not this year when they'll likely see any gains.

Every year there's a handful of people who fret about how the Nets will be so much better this year. And every year I tell them they're wrong. And every year they're wrong. Last year people will saying how Anthony Bennett and Caris LeVert would make a huge difference. This year it's people trying to poo-poo the loss of Lopez and saying that Carroll and possibly KCP will make massive differences.

This year will be no exception. 25-27 wins is their maximum potential and the likely number is somewhere around 22-23. It's another top 5 opportunity in the lottery.

Lin was their second best player and was injured most of the season, and Levert might turn out to be good but, other than that, I completely agree with you. I tend to be on the more pessimistic side about our draft picks (I believe somebody referred to us as the "miserati," but even I think that this pick is going to be huge. The Lakers will be bottom 5 by virtue of being in the west, with Phoenix a potential challenger (the only one; I think Sac may actually improve.).

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