The C's had ZERO leverage in trades for Bradley. That's 100% Danny's fault.

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Hindsight is 20/20.   

We already knew that one of Bradley-Smart-IT had to be traded cause we couldn't just resign all 3 of them. What's the point in delaying the inevitable? Worst case scenario, Danny should have pulled the trigger on draft night. Common sense says the more you postpone the decision the less valuable the return becomes.



@ Darío SpanishFan, Moranis

Saric was just an example. I bet there would have been plenty of teams willing to trade for AB at the deadline. My point is that if Danny had planned ahead, we would have gotten a far better return than Morris.

This isn't even true, though. We didn't know we'd have to move one of these guys until the cap figure came in. Ainge has only known he'd have to trade one of Bradley/Crowder/Smart for a short amount of time.

Not true. The draft was held on June 22. Reports about the cap being reduced to 99 million came out on June 21. Not to mention, it's highly likely Danny had access to this information way before it became public.

https://twitter.com/byjayking/status/877728710073368576

Anyway, my point is we would eventually trade one of Bradley-Smart-IT regardless of Hayward's decision. What's the point in delaying the inevitable?

Was Hayward officially signed before the draft?

So if you trade AB before the draft, wiff on Hayward,Griffin,Gallo,Gay. Then what? You sign some one for a one year ridiculous one year deal? Next season you have for top FA's that aren't still on the rookie deal, Wade,Monroe,Cousins,Paul,Lopez,Redick,Parker and Favors.

I'd rather extended IT AND AB over giving any of those guys max. Run with the bridge team, and teach the young guns how to play right so when all the old fellas contracts are done, the young bucks are ready to go. But you can't if you don't trade them away before you know what you can and can't do in FA.

It's very easy when you see how things end up to criticize some one for not doing it an other way. But DA had no idea if they were going to lad Hayward. Good feeling ,yes, but I don't think it was as much in the bag as some say.

[Jvalin]

He didn't have much more time, at any rate.  The principal reason that the cap figure dropped from $101 million to $99 million was due to the lopsided playoff series, which cut revenues.  That occurred in May and June.  By that time, there was little else he could do.

I remember this whole thing being a topic of discussion during the Finals. People wanted the Cavs to win at least a couple of games, cause there were rumors that the cap would be reduced to 99 mil. Can't find the actual thread right now.

Danny knew about all this way before the draft. He should have made a trade on draft night. At the very least, I bet we wouldn't have had to include a second rounder to make the job done.

Besides, arguing that a better trade was available on draft night presumes knowledge of trade offers.

We are fans. All we can do is speculate. Of course we don't know what offers were available. What we do know is that the C's had no leverage in trades for AB/Crowder/Smart. Common sense says the more you postpone the decision the less valuable the return becomes. According to Woj, the Sixers were interested in Bradley at the trade deadline. It's highly likely other teams were interested in him as well. Had we acted sooner, we would have been negotiating from a position of strength.

Never was a fan of the 'in Danny we trust ' dogma. Is he a great GM? Yes, I believe he is. Does he make mistakes? Of course, everybody does. All I 'm saying is Danny made a mistake here. We lost the Bradley trade and that's 100% his fault.

If you want to believe Bradley was going to get pick #7 from Minny, I can't stop you, but that seems and seemed pretty unlikely to me.  As did a Saric trade that people on this board wanted.

A year ago, George Hill got traded for #12. Ibaka got traded for #11 (Sabonis) + two other assets. Both Hill and Ibaka were expirings. The Ibaka trade was finalized on draft night.

Again, if Danny had planned ahead, I bet we would have gotten a far better return than Morris.

[Jvalin]

Was Hayward officially signed before the draft?

So if you trade AB before the draft, wiff on Hayward,Griffin,Gallo,Gay. Then what? You sign some one for a one year ridiculous one year deal? Next season you have for top FA's that aren't still on the rookie deal, Wade,Monroe,Cousins,Paul,Lopez,Redick,Parker and Favors.

I'd rather extended IT AND AB over giving any of those guys max. Run with the bridge team, and teach the young guns how to play right so when all the old fellas contracts are done, the young bucks are ready to go. But you can't if you don't trade them away before you know what you can and can't do in FA.

It's very easy when you see how things end up to criticize some one for not doing it an other way. But DA had no idea if they were going to lad Hayward. Good feeling ,yes, but I don't think it was as much in the bag as some say.

Again, my point is we would have eventually traded one of Bradley-Smart-IT regardless of Hayward's decision.

Assuming we never traded AB and we missed on Hayward, next summer we would have to pay both IT and AB. Let's say IT signs a 3-year max in 2018 and AB signs for 20 mil per.

IT $30+ million
AB $20+ million
Horford $28,928,710

Total : around $80 million for 3 players

Our core would be IT-Horford-AB-Crowder. We would never win a ring with these guys running the show. What's the point in keeping the group together?

[Celtics4ever]

Never was a fan of the 'in Danny we trust ' dogma. Is he a great GM? Yes, I believe he is. Does he make mistakes? Of course, everybody does. All I 'm saying is Danny made a mistake here. We lost the Bradley trade and that's 100% his fault.

I think if you told us at the end of season we were going to land Hayward and Morris and lose only Bradley and second round pick, most folks would be elated.  The player taken with the second rounder will not be as good as Morris most likely and Hayward is greater than Bradley.   I don't like losing AB, I would have rather kept him and dealt Jae.

In the grown up world, you don't always win all the time.  Some times you have to make hard decisions.  It is absurd to think Ainge will win every trade.   That is one of the reasons folks don't deal with him, too.

[Chris22]

If they gave out ten dollar bills here, some Celtic fans would complain that theirs was wrinkled or they did not get the first one.

[SHAQATTACK]

Was Hayward officially signed before the draft?

So if you trade AB before the draft, wiff on Hayward,Griffin,Gallo,Gay. Then what? You sign some one for a one year ridiculous one year deal? Next season you have for top FA's that aren't still on the rookie deal, Wade,Monroe,Cousins,Paul,Lopez,Redick,Parker and Favors.

I'd rather extended IT AND AB over giving any of those guys max. Run with the bridge team, and teach the young guns how to play right so when all the old fellas contracts are done, the young bucks are ready to go. But you can't if you don't trade them away before you know what you can and can't do in FA.

It's very easy when you see how things end up to criticize some one for not doing it an other way. But DA had no idea if they were going to lad Hayward. Good feeling ,yes, but I don't think it was as much in the bag as some say.

Again, my point is we would have eventually traded one of Bradley-Smart-IT regardless of Hayward's decision.

Assuming we never traded AB and we missed on Hayward, next summer we would have to pay both IT and AB. Let's say IT signs a 3-year max in 2018 and AB signs for 20 mil per.

IT $30+ million
AB $20+ million
Horford $28,928,710

Total : around $80 million for 3 players

Our core would be IT-Horford-AB-Crowder. We would never win a ring with these guys running the show. What's the point in keeping the group together?

yup.....its not rocket science .......and I predict IT has to be let go at some point before we can actually win a title.  Unless he wants to come off the bench for a reasonable amou t.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

If they gave out ten dollar bills here, some Celtic fans would complain that theirs was wrinkled or they did not get the first one.

this board is bi-polar

[DooVoo]

If they gave out ten dollar bills here, some Celtic fans would complain that theirs was wrinkled or they did not get the first one.

this board is bi-polar

This board is full of GMs all better than Danny Ainge and who would have won 4 or 5 championships by now. They would have gotten Steph Curry for the expiring contact of Avery Bradley.

I hope Ainge goes to another team and we are left with a crappy GM to make all the whiners miserable.

[aingeforthree]

If they gave out ten dollar bills here, some Celtic fans would complain that theirs was wrinkled or they did not get the first one.

this board is bi-polar

This board is full of GMs all better than Danny Ainge and who would have won 4 or 5 championships by now. They would have gotten Steph Curry for the expiring contact of Avery Bradley.

I hope Ainge goes to another team and we are left with a crappy GM to make all the whiners miserable.

I kinda feel the same way. They come on here after each and every move to rip him, then like a week later they already look foolish.

Only in Boston will you get complaint after complaint when you add guys like Tatum, Hayward, & Morris in the offseason.

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Was Hayward officially signed before the draft?

So if you trade AB before the draft, wiff on Hayward,Griffin,Gallo,Gay. Then what? You sign some one for a one year ridiculous one year deal? Next season you have for top FA's that aren't still on the rookie deal, Wade,Monroe,Cousins,Paul,Lopez,Redick,Parker and Favors.

I'd rather extended IT AND AB over giving any of those guys max. Run with the bridge team, and teach the young guns how to play right so when all the old fellas contracts are done, the young bucks are ready to go. But you can't if you don't trade them away before you know what you can and can't do in FA.

It's very easy when you see how things end up to criticize some one for not doing it an other way. But DA had no idea if they were going to lad Hayward. Good feeling ,yes, but I don't think it was as much in the bag as some say.

Again, my point is we would have eventually traded one of Bradley-Smart-IT regardless of Hayward's decision.

Assuming we never traded AB and we missed on Hayward, next summer we would have to pay both IT and AB. Let's say IT signs a 3-year max in 2018 and AB signs for 20 mil per.

IT $30+ million
AB $20+ million
Horford $28,928,710

Total : around $80 million for 3 players

Our core would be IT-Horford-AB-Crowder. We would never win a ring with these guys running the show. What's the point in keeping the group together?

yup.....its not rocket science .......and I predict IT has to be let go at some point before we can actually win a title.  Unless he wants to come off the bench for a reasonable amou t.

If thats all we have to go forward, thats who we would sign. Whats the difference paying IT around 25mill and having Hayward at 27mill or AB at 20mill? We could still sign other players as long as we do it before giving them the extensions because of bird rights. This also makes for trading for a legit star easier if AB is at 20mill because it doesn't go against the cap.

From what you guys are saying we are either going to let IT walk or trade Horford. With out either one we don't have a shot, so why did we sign Hayward? May as well just play the rooks. Oh and wait, we will have Smart/Brown/Tatum/2018pick/s that will have to get payed to. We trading two or 3 of them so we don't get taxed?

We are going over the tax with this team, the Hayward signing is prof of that, we aren't getting a 3rd guy on a 10mill or less contract. Until EVERY team stays under the tax, most teams that are going to try to contend will be over the tax to take them out.

So holding onto Bradly was plan B or C, pay him, move him if a player like AD gets disgruntled. Because right now, we are doing that even if he becomes available with out moving Horford, and that would look really bad to the FA market of the future.