The C's had ZERO leverage in trades for Bradley. That's 100% Danny's fault.

[Jvalin]

There is no doubt in my mind that Detroit won the Bradley trade. Danny had no leverage in trades for AB, but that's 100% his fault. He should have planned ahead. We all knew the C's had to trade one of AB-Smart-IT cause we couldn't just resing all 3 of them. If Danny believed AB was the odd man out, he should have traded him much earlier than he did (regardless of what would happen with Hayward). For instance, according to Woj, the Sixers were interested in Bradley at the trade deadline.

Adrian Wojnarowski@wojespn

Sources: Philadelphia searching for defensive-minded guards to play with Ben Simmons. One target: Boston's Avery Bradley. No traction.

https://www.libertyballers.com/2017/2/23/14716060/nba-trade-rumors-sixers-trade-celtics-avery-bradley-no-traction-danny-ainge-ben-simmons

Given that we were in no rush to trade him at the time, it's only logical to assume that we would have been negotiating from a position of strength. Heck, AB for Saric straight up sounds like a pretty good deal right now, doesn't it? And that's just one option, based on info from a single source.

Worst case scenario, we should have traded one of Smart-AB on draft night (by then we knew that the cap projection had been reduced to $99 million). I bet we would have gotten a better return than Morris.

[Moranis]

With Saric instead of Bradley Boston doesn't make the ECF.  In fact very good chance Boston isn't the 1 seed and may have ended up with a 1st round matchup that might have beaten the team (like Milwaukee).  That happens Boston probably doesn't land Hayward and Bradley would have been traded for nothing.

Ainge should have traded Bradley at the draft. That is when he had leverage still.

That said Boston was going to lose Bradley next summer anyway and Morris is a decent enough player

[Diggles]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5vfhCcn2zs

Avery says it... you can be traded at anytime.   So the Cap was reduced and Danny made the right decision.   Its a win win for Celtics.   Time will tell. 

But we all will miss Avery.     Hayward cost us more the we thought but at the end of the day it was what needed to happen.

More minutes at the 2 for Brown and Tatum now.   

[Celtics4ever]

Worst case scenario, we should have traded one of Smart-AB on draft night (by then we knew that the cap projection had been reduced to $99 million). I bet we would have gotten a better return than Morris.

Hindsight is 20/20.   I wonder if you are as good as Ainge is at your job.   I would wager your not.  He is considered one of the best in his field.
 
I think the jury is still out, until we see what he does and how Morris plays.   I would rather get something in return rather see AB walk for nothing.

When did this become Crybabyblog.com?   I thought this was Celticsblog?

[JBcat]

With Saric instead of Bradley Boston doesn't make the ECF.  In fact very good chance Boston isn't the 1 seed and may have ended up with a 1st round matchup that might have beaten the team (like Milwaukee).  That happens Boston probably doesn't land Hayward and Bradley would have been traded for nothing.

Ainge should have traded Bradley at the draft. That is when he had leverage still.

That said Boston was going to lose Bradley next summer anyway and Morris is a decent enough player

I agree.  It was somewhat of a catch 22 situation.  Value wise it was probably better to trade him during the season, but neither Smart or Brown were ready to take over starting SG duties as we were making a playoff run.

Draft time his value was probably still higher than now, but I think Ainge was holding out as a big piece for George trade.

Also if we didn't get lucky to sign Hayward, maybe Bradley stays after all.

I guess under the circumstances we did the best we could for a trade although all things being equal I'd rather have Bradley than Morris.

[Diggles]

On the money (Celtics forever)  I also had these thoughts....

If Avery could play point guard (better passing skills and ball handling)  We could have kept him.  But he and IT are small and we kinda needed to get bigger.   And we really can't afford two players 6 foot and under commanding over 20 million dollar each...... now could we? 

Put this into perspective. 

Utah is the team screwed.  They lost Hayward for nothing.   We lost Avery on an expiring contract last minute (wait we didn't) for another player that fills a big "Need"   

I'm going to let Danny know he is still one of the best GMS.   Even Avery will tell you that. 

[Darío SpanishFan]

As I've told you in another thread, no way the Sixers trade Saric for Bradley. Saric is controlled by some years more (RFA), young and versatile.

They are not risking Saric for Bradley possibly going away after a year.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

There is no doubt in my mind that Detroit won the Bradley trade. Danny had no leverage in trades for AB, but that's 100% his fault. He should have planned ahead. We all knew the C's had to trade one of AB-Smart-IT cause we couldn't just resing all 3 of them. If Danny believed AB was the odd man out, he should have traded him much earlier than he did (regardless of what would happen with Hayward). For instance, according to Woj, the Sixers were interested in Bradley at the trade deadline.

Adrian Wojnarowski@wojespn

Sources: Philadelphia searching for defensive-minded guards to play with Ben Simmons. One target: Boston's Avery Bradley. No traction.

https://www.libertyballers.com/2017/2/23/14716060/nba-trade-rumors-sixers-trade-celtics-avery-bradley-no-traction-danny-ainge-ben-simmons

Given that we were in no rush to trade him at the time, it's only logical to assume that we would have been negotiating from a position of strength. Heck, AB for Saric straight up sounds like a pretty good deal right now, doesn't it? And that's just one option, based on info from a single source.

Worst case scenario, we should have traded one of Smart-AB on draft night (by then we knew that the cap projection had been reduced to $99 million). I bet we would have gotten a better return than Morris.

great prescience SMH

[Diggles]

I was noticing some of the same people upset that Danny signed Bradley to this (horrible contract 3 years ago)  are the same people upset he traded him..Danny can't win.....

[hwangjini_1]

Worst case scenario, we should have traded one of Smart-AB on draft night (by then we knew that the cap projection had been reduced to $99 million). I bet we would have gotten a better return than Morris.

Hindsight is 20/20.   I wonder if you are as good as Ainge is at your job.   I would wager your not.  He is considered one of the best in his field.
 
I think the jury is still out, until we see what he does and how Morris plays.   I would rather get something in return rather see AB walk for nothing.

When did this become Crybabyblog.com?   I thought this was Celticsblog?

the two are easily confused.

i thought ainge did a great job on getting anything for a guard who is going to walk away. i look at this trade less as a "who won" in the narrow limits of the trade. boston's goal was to open up cap space first and foremost. that they did so AND got morris? not bad at all. more than the talent returned needs to be looked at here.

and why trade bradley and crowder BEFORE the draft and BEFORE hayward has agreed to come to boston? imagine this team if bradley and crowder are gone and hayward had returned to utah. the fans on this very thread would have imploded.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

I was noticing some of the same people upset that Danny signed Bradley to this (horrible contract 3 years ago)  are the same people upset he traded him..Danny can't win.....

yup. 4th best rated GM in the association. has rebuilt this team in a short 4 years...we are still improving but yeah he sux according to basketball ignorant trolls here.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

On the money (Celtics forever)  I also had these thoughts....

If Avery could play point guard (better passing skills and ball handling)  We could have kept him.  But he and IT are small and we kinda needed to get bigger.   And we really can't afford two players 6 foot and under commanding over 20 million dollar each...... now could we? 

Put this into perspective. 

Utah is the team screwed.  They lost Hayward for nothing.   We lost Avery on an expiring contract last minute (wait we didn't) for another player that fills a big "Need"   

I'm going to let Danny know he is still one of the best GMS.   Even Avery will tell you that. 

well said

[RLewis35]

For all we know, Gordon Hayward was willing to take 300k less to keep Bradley but danny wanted to clear more to keep rozier, bring yabusele over and balance the team position wise.  If that was the case he wasn't really under the gun (bc he had an out) but preferred to deal Bradley anyway.  Well probably never know.

[Jvalin]

Hindsight is 20/20.   

We already knew that one of Bradley-Smart-IT had to be traded cause we couldn't just resign all 3 of them. What's the point in delaying the inevitable? Worst case scenario, Danny should have pulled the trigger on draft night. Common sense says the more you postpone the decision the less valuable the return becomes.



@ Darío SpanishFan, Moranis

Saric was just an example. I bet there would have been plenty of teams willing to trade for AB at the deadline. My point is that if Danny had planned ahead, we would have gotten a far better return than Morris.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

For all we know, Gordon Hayward was willing to take 300k less to keep Bradley but danny wanted to clear more to keep rozier, bring yabusele over and balance the team position wise.  If that was the case he wasn't really under the gun (bc he had an out) but preferred to deal Bradley anyway.  Well probably never know.

i saw DA's quotes today............it went something like this:

" the abundance of guys we think can play the 2 including jayson, jaylen, rozier, smart and hayward, we have alot of guys at that position, so we were thin more at the 3/4 so from that standpoint it served two purposes, creating chances for youngsters and PLAYING BIGGER which we needed with a small PG"

BOOM