Baynes+Morris+Zizic = we just got a lot tougher

[CelticsElite]

Stats aside, you can't deny that this team will be more scrappy with zizic, Morris, smart, yabu or ojeleye, and Crowder running things. These guys are play tough D and aren't afraid to push around. As opposed to Zeller, KO, and amir

[droopdog7]

Toughness doesn't matter without skill.  Zicics toughness probably won't matter much if he's siting at the end of the bench.

[EJPLAYA]

Ive got to admit I really didn't know anything more about Marcus Morris other than he was a twin. Don't recall seeing him in a game. Not really anything. I just went on youtube and watched his 2016 season highlights. Completely different player than I was expecting. Although he does appear to be a tough physical player, the kid has offensive skill. Lots of turnaround, jabsteps, spin moves. He has a very nice looking smooth jumper. He has definite one on one scoring ability which this team desperately needs.

I'd love to see us with a lineup of:

IT, Brown, Hayward, Morris, and Horford with a bench of Rozier, Smart, Tatum, Crowder, and Zizic (or some other veteran big if we can upgrade this spot)

[droopdog7]

Ive got to admit I really didn't know anything more about Marcus Morris other than he was a twin. Don't recall seeing him in a game. Not really anything. I just went on youtube and watched his 2016 season highlights. Completely different player than I was expecting. Although he does appear to be a tough physical player, the kid has offensive skill. Lots of turnaround, jabsteps, spin moves. He has a very nice looking smooth jumper. He has definite one on one scoring ability which this team desperately needs.

I'd love to see us with a lineup of:

IT, Brown, Hayward, Morris, and Horford with a bench of Rozier, Smart, Tatum, Crowder, and Zizic (or some other veteran big if we can upgrade this spot)

Interestingly, the twins have different skill sets.  Marcus more perimeter oriented.  If I recall correctly, markief was always the alpha, higher rated one. Then Marcus was picked first in the draft.

I think Marcus will fit in well.  If he can get his shooting percentage up he'll be valuable.  Of course, rebounding will continue to be an issue.

[timpiker]

Good point.  We are definitely tougher and that is very important.  Kelly and Amir and Tyler were p*ssies.

[Surferdad]

Ive got to admit I really didn't know anything more about Marcus Morris other than he was a twin. Don't recall seeing him in a game. Not really anything. I just went on youtube and watched his 2016 season highlights. Completely different player than I was expecting. Although he does appear to be a tough physical player, the kid has offensive skill. Lots of turnaround, jabsteps, spin moves. He has a very nice looking smooth jumper. He has definite one on one scoring ability which this team desperately needs.

I'd love to see us with a lineup of:

IT, Brown, Hayward, Morris, and Horford with a bench of Rozier, Smart, Tatum, Crowder, and Zizic (or some other veteran big if we can upgrade this spot)

Interestingly, the twins have different skill sets.  Marcus more perimeter oriented.  If I recall correctly, markief was always the alpha, higher rated one. Then Marcus was picked first in the draft.

I think Marcus will fit in well.  If he can get his shooting percentage up he'll be valuable.  Of course, rebounding will continue to be an issue.

Markieff was picked first at #13, then Marcus with the very next pick at #14.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTYGV9-U1Cs
Sorta wish we got Markieff instead, he's more of a true big man.

[Chris22]

We also got bigger at the two and the three with Bradley leaving.
Smart won't be playing the three anymore.

[mahcus smaht]

Ive got to admit I really didn't know anything more about Marcus Morris other than he was a twin. Don't recall seeing him in a game. Not really anything. I just went on youtube and watched his 2016 season highlights. Completely different player than I was expecting. Although he does appear to be a tough physical player, the kid has offensive skill. Lots of turnaround, jabsteps, spin moves. He has a very nice looking smooth jumper. He has definite one on one scoring ability which this team desperately needs.

I'd love to see us with a lineup of:

IT, Brown, Hayward, Morris, and Horford with a bench of Rozier, Smart, Tatum, Crowder, and Zizic (or some other veteran big if we can upgrade this spot)

Interestingly, the twins have different skill sets.  Marcus more perimeter oriented.  If I recall correctly, markief was always the alpha, higher rated one. Then Marcus was picked first in the draft.

I think Marcus will fit in well.  If he can get his shooting percentage up he'll be valuable.  Of course, rebounding will continue to be an issue.

Markieff was picked first at #13, then Marcus with the very next pick at #14.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTYGV9-U1Cs
Sorta wish we got Markieff instead, he's more of a true big man.

Kieff is exactly what this team needs at the 4.

Morris is a 3 who can play the 4. He will bring toughness and can play some minutes at the 4 but the more I look into it the less he looks like a 4. Klynyk and Amir are both better rebounders.

Still not a bad trade. I love the toughness and he can defend Lebron supposedly and he can stretch the floor. This means Brown is gonna have to get most of his minutes at the 2 and we are counting on one of Zizic Theiss and Yabu to play a real role which is very risky.

[Surferdad]

Ive got to admit I really didn't know anything more about Marcus Morris other than he was a twin. Don't recall seeing him in a game. Not really anything. I just went on youtube and watched his 2016 season highlights. Completely different player than I was expecting. Although he does appear to be a tough physical player, the kid has offensive skill. Lots of turnaround, jabsteps, spin moves. He has a very nice looking smooth jumper. He has definite one on one scoring ability which this team desperately needs.

I'd love to see us with a lineup of:

IT, Brown, Hayward, Morris, and Horford with a bench of Rozier, Smart, Tatum, Crowder, and Zizic (or some other veteran big if we can upgrade this spot)

Interestingly, the twins have different skill sets.  Marcus more perimeter oriented.  If I recall correctly, markief was always the alpha, higher rated one. Then Marcus was picked first in the draft.

I think Marcus will fit in well.  If he can get his shooting percentage up he'll be valuable.  Of course, rebounding will continue to be an issue.

Markieff was picked first at #13, then Marcus with the very next pick at #14.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTYGV9-U1Cs
Sorta wish we got Markieff instead, he's more of a true big man.

Kieff is exactly what this team needs at the 4.

Morris is a 3 who can play the 4. He will bring toughness and can play some minutes at the 4 but the more I look into it the less he looks like a 4. Klynyk and Amir are both better rebounders.

Still not a bad trade. I love the toughness and he can defend Lebron supposedly and he can stretch the floor. This means Brown is gonna have to get most of his minutes at the 2 and we are counting on one of Zizic Theiss and Yabu to play a real role which is very risky.

You realize we got Marcus, not Markieff, right?

As far as rookies Zizic, Theiss, or Yabu playing a real role, all I can say is ain't gonna happen.  Nope.  So don't worry about it being risky.  There has to be another move.  This is not a popular opinion, I know.

[CelticsElite]

Would be cool to have both twins, their games seem to compliment each other. I think the suns had them a few years ago but not sure how it worked out.

[CelticSince83]

Ive got to admit I really didn't know anything more about Marcus Morris other than he was a twin. Don't recall seeing him in a game. Not really anything. I just went on youtube and watched his 2016 season highlights. Completely different player than I was expecting. Although he does appear to be a tough physical player, the kid has offensive skill. Lots of turnaround, jabsteps, spin moves. He has a very nice looking smooth jumper. He has definite one on one scoring ability which this team desperately needs.

I'd love to see us with a lineup of:

IT, Brown, Hayward, Morris, and Horford with a bench of Rozier, Smart, Tatum, Crowder, and Zizic (or some other veteran big if we can upgrade this spot)

Interestingly, the twins have different skill sets.  Marcus more perimeter oriented.  If I recall correctly, markief was always the alpha, higher rated one. Then Marcus was picked first in the draft.

I think Marcus will fit in well.  If he can get his shooting percentage up he'll be valuable.  Of course, rebounding will continue to be an issue.

Marcus was definitely the alpha of the 2.  Most mock drafts rated them about evenly, but Marcus scored like 50% more total points at KU than Kieff did and was Big 12 POY.  In 2011 it was definitely a Marcus centric KU team with Markieff part of the supporting cast.  Some of the high low stuff they ran between the 2 was great to watch, especially compared to the usual Bill Self weave. 

[mr. dee]

Toughness doesn't matter without skill.  Zicics toughness probably won't matter much if he's siting at the end of the bench.

It goes both ways. Skills without toughness will net you a Jeff Green or Olynyk.

[mahcus smaht]

Ive got to admit I really didn't know anything more about Marcus Morris other than he was a twin. Don't recall seeing him in a game. Not really anything. I just went on youtube and watched his 2016 season highlights. Completely different player than I was expecting. Although he does appear to be a tough physical player, the kid has offensive skill. Lots of turnaround, jabsteps, spin moves. He has a very nice looking smooth jumper. He has definite one on one scoring ability which this team desperately needs.

I'd love to see us with a lineup of:

IT, Brown, Hayward, Morris, and Horford with a bench of Rozier, Smart, Tatum, Crowder, and Zizic (or some other veteran big if we can upgrade this spot)

Interestingly, the twins have different skill sets.  Marcus more perimeter oriented.  If I recall correctly, markief was always the alpha, higher rated one. Then Marcus was picked first in the draft.

I think Marcus will fit in well.  If he can get his shooting percentage up he'll be valuable.  Of course, rebounding will continue to be an issue.

Markieff was picked first at #13, then Marcus with the very next pick at #14.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTYGV9-U1Cs
Sorta wish we got Markieff instead, he's more of a true big man.

Kieff is exactly what this team needs at the 4.

Morris is a 3 who can play the 4. He will bring toughness and can play some minutes at the 4 but the more I look into it the less he looks like a 4. Klynyk and Amir are both better rebounders.

Still not a bad trade. I love the toughness and he can defend Lebron supposedly and he can stretch the floor. This means Brown is gonna have to get most of his minutes at the 2 and we are counting on one of Zizic Theiss and Yabu to play a real role which is very risky.

You realize we got Marcus, not Markieff, right?

As far as rookies Zizic, Theiss, or Yabu playing a real role, all I can say is ain't gonna happen.  Nope.  So don't worry about it being risky.  There has to be another move.  This is not a popular opinion, I know.

Yeah I'm well aware. Should have said Marcus instead of Morris in the second paragraph. I somehow forgot that Kief is also a Morris.

As I wrote, kieff is exactly what we need in a 4. Unfortunately Marcus is more of a 3.

As the roster stands we'd need a euro to show up and play a role. It's not outside the realm of possibility but no "contender" should be counting on one of those guys.

We will have to get another big with the room exception because o don't see another trade on the horizon. Crowders contract is too good and you can't really trade Marcus now that AB is gone.

[Surferdad]

Ive got to admit I really didn't know anything more about Marcus Morris other than he was a twin. Don't recall seeing him in a game. Not really anything. I just went on youtube and watched his 2016 season highlights. Completely different player than I was expecting. Although he does appear to be a tough physical player, the kid has offensive skill. Lots of turnaround, jabsteps, spin moves. He has a very nice looking smooth jumper. He has definite one on one scoring ability which this team desperately needs.

I'd love to see us with a lineup of:

IT, Brown, Hayward, Morris, and Horford with a bench of Rozier, Smart, Tatum, Crowder, and Zizic (or some other veteran big if we can upgrade this spot)

Interestingly, the twins have different skill sets.  Marcus more perimeter oriented.  If I recall correctly, markief was always the alpha, higher rated one. Then Marcus was picked first in the draft.

I think Marcus will fit in well.  If he can get his shooting percentage up he'll be valuable.  Of course, rebounding will continue to be an issue.

Markieff was picked first at #13, then Marcus with the very next pick at #14.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTYGV9-U1Cs
Sorta wish we got Markieff instead, he's more of a true big man.

Kieff is exactly what this team needs at the 4.

Morris is a 3 who can play the 4. He will bring toughness and can play some minutes at the 4 but the more I look into it the less he looks like a 4. Klynyk and Amir are both better rebounders.

Still not a bad trade. I love the toughness and he can defend Lebron supposedly and he can stretch the floor. This means Brown is gonna have to get most of his minutes at the 2 and we are counting on one of Zizic Theiss and Yabu to play a real role which is very risky.

You realize we got Marcus, not Markieff, right?

As far as rookies Zizic, Theiss, or Yabu playing a real role, all I can say is ain't gonna happen.  Nope.  So don't worry about it being risky.  There has to be another move.  This is not a popular opinion, I know.

Yeah I'm well aware. Should have said Marcus instead of Morris in the second paragraph. I somehow forgot that Kief is also a Morris.

As I wrote, kieff is exactly what we need in a 4. Unfortunately Marcus is more of a 3.

As the roster stands we'd need a euro to show up and play a role. It's not outside the realm of possibility but no "contender" should be counting on one of those guys.

We will have to get another big with the room exception because o don't see another trade on the horizon. Crowders contract is too good and you can't really trade Marcus now that AB is gone.

Yeah, I re-read your reply like 5 times and finally realized you must have mixed them up.  After watching a bunch of Marcus youtube clips, I definitely agree he's more of a 3.  The roster still seems unbalanced in that now instead of logjam in the backcourt, there's a logjam at the "swing" position.  Crowder, Morris, Hayward Tatum, Semi, Smart

As far as the euros go, I don't have much confidence in any of them yet.  I hope Ante can show more in Vegas, but not counting on it.  Use the room exception for somebody over 6'9"

[Smartacus]

Ive got to admit I really didn't know anything more about Marcus Morris other than he was a twin. Don't recall seeing him in a game. Not really anything. I just went on youtube and watched his 2016 season highlights. Completely different player than I was expecting. Although he does appear to be a tough physical player, the kid has offensive skill. Lots of turnaround, jabsteps, spin moves. He has a very nice looking smooth jumper. He has definite one on one scoring ability which this team desperately needs.

I'd love to see us with a lineup of:

IT, Brown, Hayward, Morris, and Horford with a bench of Rozier, Smart, Tatum, Crowder, and Zizic (or some other veteran big if we can upgrade this spot)

Interestingly, the twins have different skill sets.  Marcus more perimeter oriented.  If I recall correctly, markief was always the alpha, higher rated one. Then Marcus was picked first in the draft.

I think Marcus will fit in well.  If he can get his shooting percentage up he'll be valuable.  Of course, rebounding will continue to be an issue.

Marcus was definitely the alpha of the 2.  Most mock drafts rated them about evenly, but Marcus scored like 50% more total points at KU than Kieff did and was Big 12 POY.  In 2011 it was definitely a Marcus centric KU team with Markieff part of the supporting cast.  Some of the high low stuff they ran between the 2 was great to watch, especially compared to the usual Bill Self weave.

Good stuff CSince83 TP.

Marcus at the time was definitely the alpha twin and everyone thought he'd go ahead of his brother. Kieff was viewed by the mocks as a less dynamic and skilled a player but when the combine numbers came out Kieff came out taller pushing him to true PF size. All that time he had spent spotting up from beyond the 3 point line at Kansas while Marcus worked in the mid post developed him a nice reliable long range stroke in a time where stretch 4's were becoming all the rage.

Marcus on the other hand looked like a borderline NBA player without a position until Detroit and Van Gundy reeled him in and turned him into one of the better 3 and D wings in the league.