The Embiid Dilemma

[tazzmaniac]

Not a dime until he proves he can play a full season.

Last year he was incredibly babied. No back to backs, day offs, limited minutes. And he still only played like 31 games.

I'd continue to not have him play on back to backs.  My goal would be 65 games in the regular season and then let him loose in the playoffs when there is at least one day off between all games. 

[CelticsElite]

Not a dime until he proves he can play a full season.

Last year he was incredibly babied. No back to backs, day offs, limited minutes. And he still only played like 31 games.

I'd continue to not have him play on back to backs.  My goal would be 65 games in the regular season and then let him loose in the playoffs when there is at least one day off between all games.

and he'd still get injured by game 3. Lol. He's a joke

[RAAAAAAAANDY]

He will not get the max unless its a super desperate and highly mismanaged team. Why? Doctors pre-draft red flagged him for having serious future issues that will end his career.


Anyone who thinks a guy averaging 10 games per year deserves a max is delusional

You literally made up the first part of your post and then called other people delusional. That's an impressive lack of self awareness.

The best part is that you wrote so poorly that you described the eventual medical outcome of every NBA player.

This was a masterpiece of hot takery. Bravo.

[tazzmaniac]

Not a dime until he proves he can play a full season.

Last year he was incredibly babied. No back to backs, day offs, limited minutes. And he still only played like 31 games.

I'd continue to not have him play on back to backs.  My goal would be 65 games in the regular season and then let him loose in the playoffs when there is at least one day off between all games.

and he'd still get injured by game 3. Lol. He's a joke

He's a beast.  His offensive and defensive play last year in 31 games was incredible.  Almost made the AllStar game. 

[Roy H.]

Unless he'd take a substantial discount now, I'd let him play the season, but either way he'll get paid a ton.

I still think he'll have a Bill Walton type of career: perhaps two great seasons, some others where he contributes, but overall a disappointing career.

[celticsclay]

Unless he'd take a substantial discount now, I'd let him play the season, but either way he'll get paid a ton.

I still think he'll have a Bill Walton type of career: perhaps two great seasons, some others where he contributes, but overall a disappointing career.

This is what I would guess too

[celticsclay]

He will not get the max unless its a super desperate and highly mismanaged team. Why? Doctors pre-draft red flagged him for having serious future issues that will end his career.


Anyone who thinks a guy averaging 10 games per year deserves a max is delusional

You literally made up the first part of your post and then called other people delusional. That's an impressive lack of self awareness.

The best part is that you wrote so poorly that you described the eventual medical outcome of every NBA player.

This was a masterpiece of hot takery. Bravo.

I'm not sure the first part is entirely I made up. I feel like there were a few teams that it came out had taken them off their board. Not a lot but a few. I'll also say again randy you used to add some interesting commentary on this board about the 76ers but for months all you have done is insult other posters here with one liners. I don't get why you would do that on another teams board.

[TheSundanceKid]

3 year guaranteed max, 4th year player option. Sell it to him as getting to his next contract quickest. I doubt another team offers him anything more than that anyway.

Philly isn't going to have a cap crunch until the end of that contract and you should know his career trajectory by then.

All depends on this year though. If it ends up like Curry after his rookie deal he could well come cheaper.

[Androslav]

I would max him out ASAP. I would say to him: "Joel, you are our best player. We will go as far as you take us. We will invest the maximum of our available financial resources in you. In return, we would like some sort of an insurance as we try to build this team to a long term eastern conf. contender. That insurance we seek is a team option on the 4th year of your max contract. We didn't offer you a 2+1 max deal, but a 3+1 to give you a financial lifetime security. If all goes as expected, and as we both hope, by that time you will be an All-star and MVP candidate with a team built to support you."

Personally, I think there is a bigger chance that Embiid is a healthy guy within next 5 years than from age 28+, so that is the window I'd attack in.
IMO he will be a top 5 Eastern Conference player next year. I believe in his health.

[playdream]

I would max him our ASAP. I would say to him: "Joel, you are our best player. We will go as far as you take us. We will invest the maximum of our available financial resources in you. In return, we would like some sort of an insurance as we try to build this team to a long term eastern conf. contender. That insurance we seek is a team option on the 4th year of your max contract. We didn't offer you a 2+1 max deal, but a 3+1 to give you a financial lifetime security. If all goes as expected, and as we both hope, by that time you will be an All-star and MVP candidate with a team built to support you."

Personally, I think there is a bigger chance that Embiid is a healthy guy within next 5 years than from age 28+, so that is the window I'd attack in.
IMO he will be a top 5 Eastern Conference player next year. I believe in his health.

Lol the big man injured 4 years (through his colleage time?), the man despite perfect rest AND protect still injured his knee without any accident event?
I will run as faraway as possible, once you put money on him it's OVER, you know he has to play at least 98+ games a year right? one injury and it's OVER, and he is just made of glass like bogut

The sixers are a joke waiting to happen, thier big 3 all with health redflag and one of them went down it's OVER(impossible to win a ring), i am very excited toward the new season

[Androslav]

I would max him out ASAP. I would say to him: "Joel, you are our best player. We will go as far as you take us. We will invest the maximum of our available financial resources in you. In return, we would like some sort of an insurance as we try to build this team to a long term eastern conf. contender. That insurance we seek is a team option on the 4th year of your max contract. We didn't offer you a 2+1 max deal, but a 3+1 to give you a financial lifetime security. If all goes as expected, and as we both hope, by that time you will be an All-star and MVP candidate with a team built to support you."

Personally, I think there is a bigger chance that Embiid is a healthy guy within next 5 years than from age 28+, so that is the window I'd attack in.
IMO he will be a top 5 Eastern Conference player next year. I believe in his health.

Lol the big man injured 4 years (through his colleage time?), the man despite perfect rest AND protect still injured his knee without any accident event?
I will run as faraway as possible, once you put money on him it's OVER, you know he has to play at least 98+ games a year right? one injury and it's OVER, and he is just made of glass like bogut

The Sixers are a joke waiting to happen, thier big 3 all with health redflag and one of them went down it's OVER(impossible to win a ring), i am very excited toward the new season

How many possible future HOF 20-25-year-old centers, that can post up (commands d-teams) hit threes and defend as a true five (rim protection, controlling the def.  glass) exist in the league?
By my count, besides Embiid - 0.
KAT and KP are far still away from good on that end. Joel in already great.
I know it will sound crazy to some, but I'd pull the trigger and live with results. If I would prove to be right, I'd play in the ECF in a few years. If I'm wrong, I hope my 2 1st picks mitigate the situation. Cap space spent on Embiid won't hurt their future signings.

[playdream]

I would max him our ASAP. I would say to him: "Joel, you are our best player. We will go as far as you take us. We will invest the maximum of our available financial resources in you. In return, we would like some sort of an insurance as we try to build this team to a long term eastern conf. contender. That insurance we seek is a team option on the 4th year of your max contract. We didn't offer you a 2+1 max deal, but a 3+1 to give you a financial lifetime security. If all goes as expected, and as we both hope, by that time you will be an All-star and MVP candidate with a team built to support you."

Personally, I think there is a bigger chance that Embiid is a healthy guy within next 5 years than from age 28+, so that is the window I'd attack in.
IMO he will be a top 5 Eastern Conference player next year. I believe in his health.

Lol the big man injured 4 years (through his colleage time?), the man despite perfect rest AND protect still injured his knee without any accident event?
I will run as faraway as possible, once you put money on him it's OVER, you know he has to play at least 98+ games a year right? one injury and it's OVER, and he is just made of glass like bogut

The Sixers are a joke waiting to happen, thier big 3 all with health redflag and one of them went down it's OVER(impossible to win a ring), i am very excited toward the new season

How many possible future HOF 20-25-year-old centers, that can post up (commands d-teams) hit threes and defend as a true five (rim protection, controlling the def.  glass) exist in the league?
By my count, besides Embiid - 0.
KAT and KP are far still away from good on that end. Joel in already great.
I know it will sound crazy to some, but I'd pull the trigger and live with results. If I would prove to be right, I'd play in the ECF in a few years. If I'm wrong, I hope my 2 1st picks mtigate the situation. Cap space spent on Embiid won't hurt their future signings.

Even if Embiid is better than Jordon Russel Wilt he can't play he is 0, we are talking about 98+ games here.
Didn't you see how pathetic the Bulls stuck with Rose? forever good but not great with no hope for a ring

[Androslav]

I would max him our ASAP. I would say to him: "Joel, you are our best player. We will go as far as you take us. We will invest the maximum of our available financial resources in you. In return, we would like some sort of an insurance as we try to build this team to a long term eastern conf. contender. That insurance we seek is a team option on the 4th year of your max contract. We didn't offer you a 2+1 max deal, but a 3+1 to give you a financial lifetime security. If all goes as expected, and as we both hope, by that time you will be an All-star and MVP candidate with a team built to support you."

Personally, I think there is a bigger chance that Embiid is a healthy guy within next 5 years than from age 28+, so that is the window I'd attack in.
IMO he will be a top 5 Eastern Conference player next year. I believe in his health.

Lol the big man injured 4 years (through his colleage time?), the man despite perfect rest AND protect still injured his knee without any accident event?
I will run as faraway as possible, once you put money on him it's OVER, you know he has to play at least 98+ games a year right? one injury and it's OVER, and he is just made of glass like bogut

The Sixers are a joke waiting to happen, thier big 3 all with health redflag and one of them went down it's OVER(impossible to win a ring), i am very excited toward the new season

How many possible future HOF 20-25-year-old centers, that can post up (commands d-teams) hit threes and defend as a true five (rim protection, controlling the def.  glass) exist in the league?
By my count, besides Embiid - 0.
KAT and KP are far still away from good on that end. Joel in already great.
I know it will sound crazy to some, but I'd pull the trigger and live with results. If I would prove to be right, I'd play in the ECF in a few years. If I'm wrong, I hope my 2 1st picks mtigate the situation. Cap space spent on Embiid won't hurt their future signings.

Even if Embiid is better than Jordon Russel Wilt he can't play he is 0, we are talking about 98+ games here.
Didn't you see how pathetic the Bulls stuck with Rose? forever good but not great with no hope for a ring

1. Rose was a far lesser basketball talent (shot, size for position, vision, leadership all much worse than Embiids)
2. Rose looked gingery and spooked after coming back. Embiid came out with a vengeance. Never looked as he is compensating/favoring the "healthy" leg.
3. Rose commanded more of teams cap %, take that into the account.
4. 76ers were tanking for years (the true way) remember that while looking at Embiids games played.
5. What is the downside, opportunity cost if I don't go to sign my own draft pick Embiid? Kelly Olynyk and his 50/4? I'd rather take a shot at a possible HOF, even if the chance is 15-20%

[playdream]

I would max him our ASAP. I would say to him: "Joel, you are our best player. We will go as far as you take us. We will invest the maximum of our available financial resources in you. In return, we would like some sort of an insurance as we try to build this team to a long term eastern conf. contender. That insurance we seek is a team option on the 4th year of your max contract. We didn't offer you a 2+1 max deal, but a 3+1 to give you a financial lifetime security. If all goes as expected, and as we both hope, by that time you will be an All-star and MVP candidate with a team built to support you."

Personally, I think there is a bigger chance that Embiid is a healthy guy within next 5 years than from age 28+, so that is the window I'd attack in.
IMO he will be a top 5 Eastern Conference player next year. I believe in his health.

Lol the big man injured 4 years (through his colleage time?), the man despite perfect rest AND protect still injured his knee without any accident event?
I will run as faraway as possible, once you put money on him it's OVER, you know he has to play at least 98+ games a year right? one injury and it's OVER, and he is just made of glass like bogut

The Sixers are a joke waiting to happen, thier big 3 all with health redflag and one of them went down it's OVER(impossible to win a ring), i am very excited toward the new season

How many possible future HOF 20-25-year-old centers, that can post up (commands d-teams) hit threes and defend as a true five (rim protection, controlling the def.  glass) exist in the league?
By my count, besides Embiid - 0.
KAT and KP are far still away from good on that end. Joel in already great.
I know it will sound crazy to some, but I'd pull the trigger and live with results. If I would prove to be right, I'd play in the ECF in a few years. If I'm wrong, I hope my 2 1st picks mtigate the situation. Cap space spent on Embiid won't hurt their future signings.

Even if Embiid is better than Jordon Russel Wilt he can't play he is 0, we are talking about 98+ games here.
Didn't you see how pathetic the Bulls stuck with Rose? forever good but not great with no hope for a ring

1. Rose was a far lesser basketball talent (shot, size for position, vision, leadership all much worse than Embiids)

2. Rose looked gingery and spooked after coming back. Embiid came out with a vengeance. Never looked as he is compensating/favoring the "healthy" leg.

3. 76ers were tanking for years (the true way) remember that while looking at Embiids games played.
4. What is the downside, opportunity cost if I don't go to sign my own draft pick Embiid? Kelly Olynyk and his 50/4? I'd rather take a shot at a possible HOF, even if the chance is 15-20%

1.Didn't matter, all zero on the bench
2.Because they are injury prone in different way, Rose is overuse and Embiid just glass, and the latter is worse(Rose vs Oden)
3.Still a max slot3. Rose commanded more of teams cap %, take that into the account.
3.so???
4.You think it's 15-20%?  i think it's well less than 5% and a max guy sitting on the bench is a minus so you need to damage control

[tazzmaniac]

3 year guaranteed max, 4th year player option. Sell it to him as getting to his next contract quickest. I doubt another team offers him anything more than that anyway.

Philly isn't going to have a cap crunch until the end of that contract and you should know his career trajectory by then.

All depends on this year though. If it ends up like Curry after his rookie deal he could well come cheaper.

I wouldn't do that.  They can make him a designated rookie and lock him up for 5 years but you'd let him become an unrestricted free agent after 3 years.   There is no benefit to giving him a player option.  If he can't stay healthy he'll just pick up the option and you'd be paying him 4 years Max anyway.  You'd also lose the advantage of being able to give him a designated veteran extension.  If he does stay healthy, he'd opt out after 3 years and could just leave.  He'd certainly want another 3 year with 4th year option to get him to 10 years so the Sixers wouldn't have much of a financial advantage to re-sign him. 

Considering their great cap space situation and that Simmons and Fultz are on rookie contracts for another 3 and 4 years respectively.  I don't think locking Embiid up for 4 or 5 years Max is a big risk.  I think I'd wait until October and if he hasn't suffered a setback I'd try to workout a 4 year extension before the season starts.  Hopefully he'd sign for less than 25%Max even if it is just eliminating the 8% yearly raises.   

 

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