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Re: Can or should Danny back out if he can't find the right deal?
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2017, 12:27:39 PM »

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If you don't realize Gordon Hayward is much better than any and all of Bradley, Smart, and Crowder, I don't know what to tell you......

Re: Can or should Danny back out if he can't find the right deal?
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2017, 12:27:47 PM »

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Re: Can or should Danny back out if he can't find the right deal?
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2017, 12:31:16 PM »

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Now if you mentioned some "Anthony Davis wants out right this second"  rumors, I could see where you might be coming from

Anthony Davis might be out of reach but, is Demarcus Cousins available for the right player/picks ?

Would say trading Bradley, and 018 Brooklyn + 018 Lakers picks to much or to little for Cousins with an extension?

D-Cousins
A-Horford
G-Hayward
J-Tatum/J-Brown
I-Thomas

Could we aford this kind of roster and would this roster take us over the top ?

Or

A-Bradley, A-Horford, 018 Brooklyn pick, 018 Lakers pick and 019 Memphis or 019 Clippers pick enough or to much for A-Davis ?

A-Davis
G-Haward
J-Tatum
J-Brown
I-Thomas

Is that within our budget and would that take us to more then 1 Disney land trips ???
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Re: Can or should Danny back out if he can't find the right deal?
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2017, 12:42:53 PM »

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It seems unreal that Danny has gone through all this effort to sign Hayward and now finds himself in a position where he has to unload a key asset(s) to acquire another.
Unless you consider Rozier a key asset (which I believe you don't), we don't have to unload a key asset to acquire Hayward.

Rozier + Jackson for Hayward works just fine (assuming we stash Yabu and decline team option on Mickey).


Problem is, IT-AB-Smart are all entering the final year of their contract. It's highly unlikely we resign all 3 of them, so at least one of them has to be traded. Regarding Crowder, we already have far too many SFs so it might be in our best interest to trade Crowder as well.
this is pure speculation that keeps getting kicked around to justify trading 1 or 2 of them away for peanuts.  Let Danny and Wyc deal with opening the checkbook if the team does well after the upcoming season.   A team that reaches the conference finals or the finals themselves is worth it.  the team will likely have 3 players getting their max in IT, Al  and Hayward.  AB getting between 20-25 mill, Smart getting about 12-15 mill and a lot of rookie deals and vet min players.  sure, over the cap but if we're very successful, I don't think they'd have a problem with paying the players.

Re: Can or should Danny back out if he can't find the right deal?
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2017, 12:44:16 PM »

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Re: Can or should Danny back out if he can't find the right deal?
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2017, 12:48:44 PM »

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Re: Can or should Danny back out if he can't find the right deal?
« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2017, 12:53:28 PM »

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It seems unreal that Danny has gone through all this effort to sign Hayward and now finds himself in a position where he has to unload a key asset(s) to acquire another.
Unless you consider Rozier a key asset (which I believe you don't), we don't have to unload a key asset to acquire Hayward.

Rozier + Jackson for Hayward works just fine (assuming we stash Yabu and decline team option on Mickey).


Problem is, IT-AB-Smart are all entering the final year of their contract. It's highly unlikely we resign all 3 of them, so at least one of them has to be traded. Regarding Crowder, we already have far too many SFs so it might be in our best interest to trade Crowder as well.
this is pure speculation that keeps getting kicked around to justify trading 1 or 2 of them away for peanuts.  Let Danny and Wyc deal with opening the checkbook if the team does well after the upcoming season.   A team that reaches the conference finals or the finals themselves is worth it.  the team will likely have 3 players getting their max in IT, Al  and Hayward.  AB getting between 20-25 mill, Smart getting about 12-15 mill and a lot of rookie deals and vet min players.  sure, over the cap but if we're very successful, I don't think they'd have a problem with paying the players.

It's not the cap that's the issue. They're willing to exceed the cap. But they don't want to get anywhere near the luxury tax.

2017-18 salary cap numbers
Cap: $99.093 M
Lux. Tax: $119.266 M
Floor: $89.184 M
MLE: $8.406 M
Mini-MLE: $5.192 M
Room Exc.: $4.328 M

The tax is far more punitive than in past years:

$0 - $5m = $1.50
$5 - $10m = $1.75
$10m - $15m = $2.50

It increases like that so that at $25m it's $4.25. What this means is that even a relatively small overage requires some serious cash. If you go $7 into the penalty you're looking at an $11m extra charge. Then it gets worse if you're a repeat offender (3 out of 4 seasons into the tax) - add $1 to each of those numbers. That same $7m overage becomes an additional $18m.

Thus the luxury tax really is the limit. If we resign IT next year we're already going to be butting up against the luxury tax and there's very little chance that Wyc is going to want to do that - especially for consecutive seasons. It just gets enormously expensive very quickly. So it's not THIS year that's the issue but what is coming down the pike for the next 3 years after. But since the moves we make this year will impact future years (as most deals aren't for one year), it's a very powerful consideration right now.

It also doesn't help matters that the cap (and therefore the tax) are coming in slightly lower than originally projected. That creates additional concerns when planning for future years.
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Re: Can or should Danny back out if he can't find the right deal?
« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2017, 12:55:38 PM »

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« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2017, 12:56:45 PM »

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If you don't realize Gordon Hayward is much better than any and all of Bradley, Smart, and Crowder, I don't know what to tell you......

I watched two of the Warriors vs. Jazz playoff games. He didn't look any better then Bradley, Smart or Crowder.  Both defensively and offensively he looked anemic. 

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« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2017, 12:57:44 PM »

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I mean the West is so much weaker.   So in theory he is worse right?  Because he was an All-Star in the West... And Smart, Cowder and Bradley  were not an All-Star.    So logically speaking all the people saying losing one of these guys is not making us a better team.....  SMH  Sarcasm.   
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« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2017, 12:58:18 PM »

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If you don't realize Gordon Hayward is much better than any and all of Bradley, Smart, and Crowder, I don't know what to tell you......

I watched two of the Warriors vs. Jazz playoff games. He didn't look any better then Bradley, Smart or Crowder.  Both defensively and offensively he looked anemic.

Why do you think Hayward made the all-star game and smart, crowder and bradley were not even in the conversation?

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« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2017, 12:58:54 PM »

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We downgrade our talent, burn a free agent and his agent, and destroy the franchise's reputation, for what exactly?

TP.....Pretty succinct, and comes close to saying it all for me.

The words that I would have included would have been "honor" and "integrity" and stability of the franchise, or lack thereof.

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« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2017, 06:07:48 PM »

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KISS GOODBYE any chance of signing a premier free agent if DA were to back out of this deal!

Hayward just turned down 40+m dollars extra from the Jazz to sign with the Celtics.

Losing that much goodwill and REP in a single shortsighted move would be sheer stupidity.

And DA ain't stupid. 

Don't fret DA will offload one of Crawford, AB, or Smart and find a decent but probably not outstanding deal while doing so.  Give trader Danny a few days to work his magic.

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« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2017, 06:24:56 PM »

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If you don't realize Gordon Hayward is much better than any and all of Bradley, Smart, and Crowder, I don't know what to tell you......

I watched two of the Warriors vs. Jazz playoff games. He didn't look any better then Bradley, Smart or Crowder.  Both defensively and offensively he looked anemic.

You're right. He didn't look any better than Smart did in Game 3 of the Cleveland series.
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« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2017, 06:34:56 PM »

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Now if you mentioned some "Anthony Davis wants out right this second"  rumors, I could see where you might be coming from

Anthony Davis might be out of reach but, is Demarcus Cousins available for the right player/picks ?

Would say trading Bradley, and 018 Brooklyn + 018 Lakers picks to much or to little for Cousins with an extension?

D-Cousins
A-Horford
G-Hayward
J-Tatum/J-Brown
I-Thomas

Could we aford this kind of roster and would this roster take us over the top ?

Or

A-Bradley, A-Horford, 018 Brooklyn pick, 018 Lakers pick and 019 Memphis or 019 Clippers pick enough or to much for A-Davis ?

A-Davis
G-Haward
J-Tatum
J-Brown
I-Thomas

Is that within our budget and would that take us to more then 1 Disney land trips ???


You're always rolling the dice with Boogie. Simply SPECULATING about rumors for trading for him started endless flame wars on this site. Imagine actually having him on the team.

I think Boogie's reputation as a misunderstood superstar is coming to an end. I imagine he'll be traded for scraps the deadline. I might offer up a late first and a bench player...