Biggest Ainge 'pass' over the past year?

[Roy H.]

Talent wise, Boogie.

Potential wise, Fultz.

Cost wise, George.

[Sketch5]

Couldn't care less about George.
Couldn't care less about Butler.
Couldn't care less about Boogie.

The Warriors are quite possibly the best team in NBA history. Imo, no matter what we do we cannot beat them (just like no one could beat the Bulls in the 90's). I don't want us to sacrifice the Nets-LA/Sac picks unless we trade for a young super star (AD, Giannis, KAT).

Having said that, I 'm still p---ed off with Danny about the Fultz trade. I get that he wanted to draft Tatum. What I don't get is why not wait till draft night to pull the trigger. The closer you get to the draft, it's far more likely a desperate team makes a desperate offer we cannot refuse. Heck, I bet the Sixers would have made a better offer than the one we decided to accept.

When Vlade traded Boogie in the midst of the all-star game, people criticized him cause he didn't wait till the deadline. When Danny trades the #1 pick a week before the draft, it seems people believe Danny has made the right choice cause ''in Danny we trust''. The way I see it, even if Tatum > Fultz, Danny was wrong not to wait a few more days before finalizing the trade. Not to mention I'm still not sold on Tatum, but that's a whole different story.

Except DA need the time to line up an other trade, like the Zinger trade if it popped up. Draft night trades can be hard, and so many teams are scrambling. I mean DA almost gave up the whole lot for Winslow in a rush. This way he wouldn't make a bad decision under pressure. So it's different than the Boogie trade, he was making space for the next move if it came up.

I'm worried about whats between Fultz's ear and whats in his heart. DA has been around at least two guys in the last few years with all the physical tools, but not the mental killer mentality. It was reported during loses, it didn't bother Fultz, and that he would lose pick up games, but looked good during it. I also watched some work out video's and hes lazy during shooting drills. His feet are landing in all sorts of directions. So there might be some Focus issues.

Not saying that Tatum will be better, but he's got that killer instinct factor, not sure how big it is, but during the last couple of minutes during a game in the tourney he put the team on his back in a close game and brought it. And Tatum was a #1 protect at some points in his highschool career, his injury in the beginning of college was his first and it took him a while to get into the groove once back because he was over eager to prove how good he was, and coach K had to sit him and get him to see that at times. But he finished strong and had a good tourney. And the kid is LOONNNGGG. He as standing next to Grant Hill who is 6'8" and he had at least an inch if not two on him. So depending on how legit Hill's measurements are, he could be closer to 6'9" to 6'10" with those wide shoulders, he could be a force.

[Jvalin]

He traded that pick for a couple reasons I think but primarily to gain some cap flexibility to be able to make free agent signings (Hayward) and/or trades. Now that PG is gone and Butler is gone and Hayward is our last hope it may prove to be an epic fail but only time will tell. And it will only be a total failure is if we got none of those players AND Fultz becomes a superstar and better than Tatum.

You don't trade the #1 pick for cap relief. That's just stupid. He traded the pick cause he wanted to draft Tatum instead of Fultz. I get that. What I do not get is, why not wait till draft night to pull the trigger? Fultz is the perfect fit for Philly. There is zero reason to believe the Sixers wouldn't do the exact same trade (if not a better one) on draft night.

He absolutely did it for cap relief. He would have had to pay a couple million more for Fultz. I personally think he wanted Tatum more than Fultz anyway but he has to play it that way to gain a pick plus get the player you want AND get cap flexibility. With the cap going down and the low salaries already on the team their flexibility was hampered to make the subsequent moves he wants or wanted to do. That being said, I don't think it's "just stupid".

No way we traded the #1 pick to save $1,380,840 (= $7,026,240 - $5,645,400) in cap space. We could have saved way more than that just by dumping Rozier ($1,988,520). Not to mention we most likely have to trade one of Bradley-Smart-IT cause we can't just resign all 3 of them. By doing so, we free up more than enough cap space to go after Hayward (assuming we let Olynyk walk as well).

Except DA need the time to line up an other trade, like the Zinger trade if it popped up.

If NY wanted to move on from Zinger, it would have been easier for us to work out a deal had we not traded the #1 pick.

[max215]

Fultz for sure.

[kmart12]

Talent wise, Boogie.

Potential wise, Fultz.

Cost wise, George.

This.

I don't understand the hate around here for Cousins (and as an aside, can we hold off on diagnosing someone with a bipolar or personality disorder simply because they have shown some immaturity as a young athlete in a losing culture?). He fits a serious need for our team and he does so at such a high level; I don't think some people understand how significant his impact would be on our team and how drastically he would improve our team overall. Cousins is the best at his position and brings a tremendous amount to the table and the package that the Pelicans gave up was not all that impressive.

If we're planning on truly rebuilding through the draft, then the trade from 1 to 3 makes little sense. I get that we're all excited about Tatum and he could turn out to be a pretty nice player, but it was understood that Fultz was a head above the rest of the draft class and we gave that up for future assets and a nice player in this draft. If we're planning on grabbing Hayward this offseason, then why go after a SF who occupies a similar role?

[CelticsElite]

Talent wise, Boogie.

Potential wise, Fultz.

Cost wise, George.

This.

I don't understand the hate around here for Cousins (and as an aside, can we hold off on diagnosing someone with a bipolar or personality disorder simply because they have shown some immaturity as a young athlete in a losing culture?). He fits a serious need for our team and he does so at such a high level; I don't think some people understand how significant his impact would be on our team and how drastically he would improve our team overall. Cousins is the best at his position and brings a tremendous amount to the table and the package that the Pelicans gave up was not all that impressive.

If we're planning on truly rebuilding through the draft, then the trade from 1 to 3 makes little sense. I get that we're all excited about Tatum and he could turn out to be a pretty nice player, but it was understood that Fultz was a head above the rest of the draft class and we gave that up for future assets and a nice player in this draft. If we're planning on grabbing Hayward this offseason, then why go after a SF who occupies a similar role?

you don't understand the hate here for cousins? Its well documented that most NBA players who have played with him don't like to play with him and some wanted to be traded away to be away from him. Go Google it. People who got paid millions to bounce a ball near cousins hated cousins, yet you can't understand the hate from fans? Wow. I wouldn't be surprised if it wanted to be traded from the kings because of cousins

[TheSundanceKid]

I voted Cousins, although I don't think what you have offered would be enough to beat the NOLA offer.
I don't regret the other 3, 2 we weren't offered the choice and the 3rd was the right call, I really like Tatum.

[coco]

DA knows who the Cs are and how far from contention we are.  He is/was spot-on.

No point on spending all your chips bringing one start, who in the end, won't make us a true contender.  Non of those guys made their team better.  Not one!!!

We are a top 4 in the East ,with a bright future as we are currently constituted.

Am I disappointed we won't have PG13 and Hayward come fall?  You bet.  But I am glad DA didn't give up the farm and/or our future.   PG13 is not an impact player, he is no KG. 

[coco]

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[jambr380]

I voted Cousins, although I don't think what you have offered would be enough to beat the NOLA offer.
I don't regret the other 3, 2 we weren't offered the choice and the 3rd was the right call, I really like Tatum.

For Cousins, we would have been looking at trading Brown (Hield replacement), AB/Crowder (Evans replacement), the #3 (Tatum) and the LAL/Sac pick (or, at the time, the BKN '17 pick) at the minimum.

For the record, I voted for Cousins, but don't know that I would have given up that package. That deal looks a lot scarier than the one headlined by Buddy Hield and a draft pick, but that's the reality when you compare the 'assets' of the deal.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Depending on if we sign Gordon Hayward or not, it has to be Boogie.

For the price New Orleans paid to get Cousins, we could EASILY gave much more and had the best Center in the league playing for us.

[Tr1boy]

none

Ainge is no Daryl Morey

I'm confident Ainge can build a good team organically

hopefully Hayward signs...but if not, move on

[Chief Macho]

Cousins.   Years of people speculating Ainge's move to get him and what it would take happened everyday in this place. 

[kmart12]

you don't understand the hate here for cousins? Its well documented that most NBA players who have played with him don't like to play with him and some wanted to be traded away to be away from him. Go Google it. People who got paid millions to bounce a ball near cousins hated cousins, yet you can't understand the hate from fans? Wow. I wouldn't be surprised if it wanted to be traded from the kings because of cousins

You understand that he played with one team for almost the entirety of his NBA career, correct? That's not a large sample size. Additionally, it's the Kings, a team with one of the worst front offices in the league. In telling me to "Google it", I found this article, you should check it out: http://www.oregonlive.com/nba/index.ssf/2017/02/demarcus_cousins_traded_nba_fa.html Not only do fans like myself think the trade to NO was a steal, but even players understand his ridiculous amount of talent and how grossly undervalued his services are to be traded to NO. This includes your example in IT, who made a pretty funny jab at the Kings for making such a lopsided trade.

Cousins is disliked by the front office, the media, and the fans because his attitude is immature and people have catastrophized his character. If you want to use his outbursts against his coach, front office personnel, or even the time he got into it with OJ Mayo, then I completely understand, but I think you're arguing the wrong points and against a tremendous player. I'd settle for an experiment involving a 7-footer who nearly averages 28 ppg, 12 rpg, and 5 apg who has a perceived attitude.

And just to be clear, I definitely feel that Cousins has growing up to do and I get the concern, but I don't believe it's something that can't be worked on in the right situation and environment. Barkley panned out to be a pretty nice player.

[CelticsElite]

Depending on if we sign Gordon Hayward or not, it has to be Boogie.

For the price New Orleans paid to get Cousins, we could EASILY gave much more and had the best Center in the league playing for us.

davis is the best center