Pessimism

[konkmv]

I do not get the pessimism in here.. And I do not get the fire ainge threats...  Celtics are in rebuilding mode.. The team stayed out of playoffs for only one year.. He discovered and hired Stevens who is a already a top five coach in the league..  Last year he got horford in free agency..  This year he has a shot at Hayward... You cannot force a team to make a trade.. I trust Danny and I trust Stevens..  He makes our players better every year.. Calm down and enjoy..  And something for the end.. If Brad and ainge think okafor is good enough for us.. I buy it..  Brad will learn him how to play

[BudweiserCeltic]

Welcome to the internet.

[kozlodoev]

The pessimism? Frankly, I don't really get the optimism. It seems that everyone views Hayward like some sort of savior, the second coming of Larry Bird, and the source of ultimate devastation if he doesn't sign here.

Hayward is a good player. He might be the best player on the open market right now, too. But he's  not all that special. Last season notwithstanding, for the bulk of his career he's been a "kind of ok" scorer who cannot really stay healthy for a full season.

Someone will pay Hayward a lot of money this off-season because the new cap has caused teams to find themselves with large disposable incomes, but it's not like we're missing on Kevin Durant all over again. Sure, it might be better to have him than not to (because escalating salaries will eat the cap space), but the blog largely needs a reality check on this issue.

[Surferdad]

Pessimism is not the issue here, the problem is the pure speculation based on limited information, and then massive disappointment when hopes and dreams do not comes true.

Welcome to the internet.

Right, exactly.  Pessimism, optimism, speculation, disappointment...it all comes with the territory.

For my own part, I plan to enjoy the family barbeque today and will not check CB until tonight.  All will be revealed.   

[LGC88]

Pessimism is not the issue here, the problem is the pure speculation based on limited information, and then massive disappointment when hopes and dreams do not comes true.

Welcome to the internet.

Right, exactly.  Pessimism, optimism, speculation, disappointment...it all comes with the territory.

For my own part, I plan to enjoy the family barbeque today and will not check CB until tonight.  All will be revealed.   

Exactly, TP
Speculation based on mostly wrong information makes fan base mad.
The social networks own you people, that's sad.
Once you realize that you'll stop being pessimist/optimist, whatever mood state, and just appreciate the path to contention.

[Roy H.]

It isn't pessimism to disagree with Danny.

He's made three major decisions that we know about so far:

1.  He traded Fultz for Tatum and a pick;

2. He passed on the opportunity to trade Crowder, Smart and non-lottery picks for Paul George;

3. He pursued Gordon Hayward as his primary free agent target.

If people disagree with any, or all, of those decisions, it doesn't make them negative or pessimistic. It means that they think Danny made a bad decision. There are certainly examples of catastrophic thinking on here, but that's hardly the norm.

Personally, I have a bigger issue with the Orwellian "In Danny We Trust" mantra. Surrendering completely to another's judgment has always bothered me, whether it be politically, in a personal relationship, or anywhere else.

[mctyson]

It isn't pessimism to disagree with Danny.

He's made three major decisions that we know about so far:

1.  He traded Fultz for Tatum and a pick;

2. He passed on the opportunity to trade Crowder, Smart and non-lottery picks for Paul George;

3. He pursued Gordon Hayward as his primary free agent target.

If people disagree with any, or all, of those decisions, it doesn't make them negative or pessimistic. It means that they think Danny made a bad decision. There are certainly examples of catastrophic thinking on here, but that's hardly the norm.

Personally, I have a bigger issue with the Orwellian "In Danny We Trust" mantra. Surrendering completely to another's judgment has always bothered me, whether it be politically, in a personal relationship, or anywhere else.

Disagreeing with current decisions due to unknown future outcomes does, by the very definition of the word, make you pessimistic.   These decisions are determined to be "bad" because those that feel this way believe the future outcome will be negative.  They are being pessimistic.

There is nothing wrong with being pessimistic.  Also nothing wrong with admitting that you view things that way more than the flip side of the coin.

[GratefulCs]

It isn't pessimism to disagree with Danny.

He's made three major decisions that we know about so far:

1.  He traded Fultz for Tatum and a pick;

2. He passed on the opportunity to trade Crowder, Smart and non-lottery picks for Paul George;

3. He pursued Gordon Hayward as his primary free agent target.

If people disagree with any, or all, of those decisions, it doesn't make them negative or pessimistic. It means that they think Danny made a bad decision. There are certainly examples of catastrophic thinking on here, but that's hardly the norm.

Personally, I have a bigger issue with the Orwellian "In Danny We Trust" mantra. Surrendering completely to another's judgment has always bothered me, whether it be politically, in a personal relationship, or anywhere else.

i think there's nothing wrong with blindly trusting a great GM

it's different than a politician


no matter how anyone feels about certain moves, it doesn't really matter because he's going to continue to do what he feels is best for the team


and after having just gone to the conference finals as a 1 seed AND winning the lotto....i'm going to continue to trust him

[moiso]

The pessimism? Frankly, I don't really get the optimism. It seems that everyone views Hayward like some sort of savior, the second coming of Larry Bird, and the source of ultimate devastation if he doesn't sign here.

Hayward is a good player. He might be the best player on the open market right now, too. But he's  not all that special. Last season notwithstanding, for the bulk of his career he's been a "kind of ok" scorer who cannot really stay healthy for a full season.

Someone will pay Hayward a lot of money this off-season because the new cap has caused teams to find themselves with large disposable incomes, but it's not like we're missing on Kevin Durant all over again. Sure, it might be better to have him than not to (because escalating salaries will eat the cap space), but the blog largely needs a reality check on this issue.

He's better than a good player.  Crowder is a good player.  Hayward has played 516 out of a possible 574 games in his career.  His scoring average has gone up every year that he has been in league so he is probably still improving.  He shot 40% from 3 and 84% from the line last year.  I don't think you are giving him enough credit.

[konkmv]

Ainge did try with Durant.. But he wanted to be with curry...  You cannot buy these players.. You draft them... And I do not know any player except adetokunpo who was a miss... But he was a gamble too... We are in LeBron curry and Durant era... There is a 1% possibility to beat them all.. And even so he created a top 5 team..aaaaaaand...... Everybody liked Dunn and not brown.... Let's see fultz and tatum...

[Roy H.]

It isn't pessimism to disagree with Danny.

He's made three major decisions that we know about so far:

1.  He traded Fultz for Tatum and a pick;

2. He passed on the opportunity to trade Crowder, Smart and non-lottery picks for Paul George;

3. He pursued Gordon Hayward as his primary free agent target.

If people disagree with any, or all, of those decisions, it doesn't make them negative or pessimistic. It means that they think Danny made a bad decision. There are certainly examples of catastrophic thinking on here, but that's hardly the norm.

Personally, I have a bigger issue with the Orwellian "In Danny We Trust" mantra. Surrendering completely to another's judgment has always bothered me, whether it be politically, in a personal relationship, or anywhere else.

Disagreeing with current decisions due to unknown future outcomes does, by the very definition of the word, make you pessimistic.   These decisions are determined to be "bad" because those that feel this way believe the future outcome will be negative.  They are being pessimistic.

There is nothing wrong with being pessimistic.  Also nothing wrong with admitting that you view things that way more than the flip side of the coin.

Except many of the "pessimists" are the ones banking on the known all-star, rather than future outcomes. They're hopeful about this team's chances with George, think he'd re-sign, think he'd help attract talent, and think that, even in a worst case scenario, the team would bounce back fine.

By your definition, any time somebody disagrees with a decision, they're a pessimist. Do you think it's a bad idea to get into a nuclear war with Russia? It's because you're a pessimist, clearly. Does that definition make sense to you?

[SHAQATTACK]

3 strikes and tour out 






Tatum better be a basketball god after trading off Fultz .....

[nebist]

I don't mind the criticism but the timing of the criticism is totally misplaced to me.  Plan A is to sign Hayward without giving up major rotation pieces.  People can't wait 2 days to figure out if we actually achieve Plan A before trying to run Ainge out of town?  Personally I'd wait to see how the next 2 weeks play out (even if Hayward doesn't sign) before judging the offseason.  But people are so impatient that every day becomes a referendum on Ainges entire career.  That is not how roster-building works. 

[OHCeltic]

As far as passing on Butler and George, DA couldn't make the other teams to take the offers. 
His offers were better than what they settled for. Those teams didn't want to see their former players alot so they sent them to the west.  GSW built mainly thru the draft so is DA. However we r very competitive while we r rebuilding.  I think DA is doing a great job. Younger talented means better cap management. Older slower more expensive player bad for the cap.
Keep going DA.

[hwangjini_1]

The pessimism? Frankly, I don't really get the optimism. It seems that everyone views Hayward like some sort of savior, the second coming of Larry Bird, and the source of ultimate devastation if he doesn't sign here.

Hayward is a good player. He might be the best player on the open market right now, too. But he's  not all that special. Last season notwithstanding, for the bulk of his career he's been a "kind of ok" scorer who cannot really stay healthy for a full season.

Someone will pay Hayward a lot of money this off-season because the new cap has caused teams to find themselves with large disposable incomes, but it's not like we're missing on Kevin Durant all over again. Sure, it might be better to have him than not to (because escalating salaries will eat the cap space), but the blog largely needs a reality check on this issue.

koz!?!?! not optimistic? our very own koz is... is... is...pessimistic? i find this hard to believe.